Poll -- Who will cave first in the momentous China-USA trade war?

[Jingthing]

The question says it all.

Reportedly China if it chooses has the power to destroy the USA with this trade war.

Yes it would be a big sacrifice, but China is run by a total dictator so the people will comply regardless.

I don't think the USA has that same power over China and the USA is ruled by an autocrat but not a total dictator and the American people will balk bigly at too much sacrifice.

This isn't a joke.

Both leaders care a lot about face but Trump is a proven waffler.

Trump started the trade war, so in a sense China has more moral cred in this war, if that even matters.

So who will cave first?
Will neither cave?

Will China have the resolve to grab this opportunity handed to them by an idiot/insane US president and go for the jugular?

 

[bannork]

China may be quietly selling US bonds whilst the US sleeps, unnerving the stock market.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelshulman/2025/04/09/us-rally-at-risk-as-china-may-be-dumping-treasuries/

[Jingthing]

To be clear, of course even before this trade war, serious issues that should have come under negotiation. But the way Trump has approached this could not really be any worse.

[novacova]

China of course, if Xi doesn’t come forward then China’s economy will collapse and Xi will be out.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, novacova said:

China of course, if Xi doesn’t come forward then China’s economy will collapse and Xi will be out.

Who's gonna kick him out?

[novacova]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

To be clear, of course even before this trade war, serious issues that should have come under negotiation. But the way Trump has approached this could not really be any worse.

Through your prism any success of Trump is bad, the same mentality with the border issue…the left will always do the exact opposite for the sake of spite opposed to any good, is why the left is a heap of rubble and in complete shambles and yet they continue to relentlessly shooting themselves in the butt.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, novacova said:

Through your prism any success of Trump is bad, the same mentality with the border issue…the left will always do the exact opposite for the sake of spite opposed to any good, is why the left is a heap of rubble and in complete shambles and yet they continue to relentlessly shooting themselves in the butt.

This has nothing to do with left vs. right. Don't be so simple minded. 

[BangkokReady]

Obviously Trump will be successful and China will cave.  Trump is a master strategist and China is in the far weaker position.

[hotsun]

I think more importantly whatever happens, trump will lose according to you

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Obviously Trump will be successful and China will cave.  Trump is a master strategist and China is in the far weaker position.

I would say a good 80% of the analyses I have seen take that position

[Jingthing]

Who is stronger?

Both sides have strengths and weaknesses.

AI answer:

The United States is generally considered to have the upper hand in a trade war with China due to its larger economy and significant trade deficit with China, which gives it more leverage. However, China is betting on its ability to endure longer-term economic pain, as it has a more centralized economic system that can withstand pressure for extended periods.

[novacova]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Who's gonna kick him out?

Factories close and mass property ensues, sectors of the military get fed up, masses barge the CCP. When humans are desperate for survival they become less submissive to authority.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, hotsun said:

I think more importantly whatever happens, trump will lose according to you

It's true I don't care about Trump. I think he needs to removed from power ASAP or the USA is doomed regardless. But of course I don't want China or any other country to devastate the USA. Trump in his total insanity and idiocy has handed China that chance.

 

I think for maga cult members Trump IS the USA.

NO!!!!!!!

[novacova]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This has nothing to do with left vs. right. Don't be so simple minded. 

Sure it does, you hate Trump and want him to fail even at the expense of the greater good.

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's true I don't care about Trump.

 

Suuuure...  

[Jingthing]

Just now, novacova said:

Sure it does, you hate Trump and want him to fail even at the expense of the greater good.

I know he's going to fail. How could such an insane idiot NOT fail? Yes I want him removed from power. Nothing to do with left and right. The strongest voices that agree with me in this are traditional republican conservatives. Again --- stop being so simple minded. 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Who is stronger?

Both sides have strengths and weaknesses.

AI answer:

The United States is generally considered to have the upper hand in a trade war with China due to its larger economy and significant trade deficit with China, which gives it more leverage. However, China is betting on its ability to endure longer-term economic pain, as it has a more centralized economic system that can withstand pressure for extended periods.

Thats a garbage in, garbage out answer as usual from Ai

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I know he's going to fail. How could such an insane idiot NOT fail? Yes I want him removed from power. Nothing to do with left and right. The strongest voices that agree with me in this are traditional republican conservatives. Again --- stop being so simple minded. 

Im a traditional conservative (actually what would have been known as a liberal before that term was coopted by Socialists)

and I agree with you on nothing. You are a blatant America hater with a one issue agenda.

[KhunLA]

 

 

[tomazbodner]

This poll is unfair, as Trump already caved...

[BangkokReady]

13 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

This poll is unfair, as Trump already caved...

 

How did Trump cave to China?

[Yagoda]

34 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

I still have extension cords.

[bunnydrops]

1 hour ago, novacova said:

Through your prism any success of Trump is bad, the same mentality with the border issue…the left will always do the exact opposite for the sake of spite opposed to any good, is why the left is a heap of rubble and in complete shambles and yet they continue to relentlessly shooting themselves in the butt.

Ah, the attack without an answer!

[bunnydrops]

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I still have extension cords.

I still have a wood-fired cook stove!

[JustinT]

Xi doesn't have to face elections.  He can wait indefinitely.  He can easily wait a couple of years until the US midterms.  After that, the new democrat controlled congress will simply remove the tariffs if the orange lunatic hasn't already done so by then.

 

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

I still have a wood-fired cook stove!

I have a muzzleloading rifle!

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JustinT said:

Xi doesn't have to face elections.  He can wait indefinitely.  He can easily wait a couple of years until the US midterms.  After that, the new democrat controlled congress will simply remove the tariffs if the orange lunatic hasn't already done so by then.

 

You are assuming a Democrat Congress. Led by AOC and Jasmine.

[JustinT]

Just now, Yagoda said:

You are assuming a Democrat Congress. Led by AOC and Jasmine.

That seems like a certainty if these tariffs stay until then.  I don't think Americans are going to tolerate the inflation that is coming or resulting job losses.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, JustinT said:

That seems like a certainty if these tariffs stay until then.  I don't think Americans are going to tolerate the inflation that is coming or resulting job losses.

Got it. Carry on, Im sure you joined here to do the Trump bashing.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

Obviously Trump will be successful and China will cave.  Trump is a master strategist and China is in the far weaker position.

 

Chinese will sacrifice for their country. They have done it before and will do it again. It is a culture with strong undercurrents of solidarity. US nationals throw temper tantrums when they can't get their Popeye's fried chicken or McDonald fries.

US nationals won't do menial work: They are too full of themselves.