White House Defends Abrego Garcia Deportation, Calling Return "Out of the Question"

[thesetat]

On 4/17/2025 at 10:40 AM, Purdey said:

Abrego Garcia is not wanted for any crimes in the USA

HE was wanted... Such a stupid comment to make... He was wanted for being in the US illegally... Point and fact. 

[cambion]

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you a wife beating MS13 terrorist too? If not, sleep easy.

"Are you a wife beating MS13 terrorist" - Nope.

"too?" - Too strong. For reasons I've already posted about I'd argue that this is unproven in Garcia's case. Which is the point - even if I'm not one, if someone makes a false accusation against me, I might be gone before I get the chance to clear my name (in court or elsewhere).

"If not, sleep easy." - Can't. See above.

[cambion]

5 minutes ago, thesetat said:

HE was wanted... Such a stupid comment to make... He was wanted for being in the US illegally... Point and fact. 

The comment is accurate. He entered the US illegally in 2011 (i.e. without inspection) which is considered a criminal violation (unlike the civil violation of overstaying a visa). However, he wasn't wanted in the sense that he wasn't a fugitive on the run. Law enforcement were not looking for him; he was checking in regularly with CBP officials so clearly they knew exactly where to find him.

[jimmybcool]

34 minutes ago, cambion said:

Actually I think the main reason is because a lot of US citizens (including myself) wonder if we will be next, if Garcia loses on the due process bit.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

"the US courts have no jurisdiction" - worth noting that the Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you, in the sense that they upheld the order for the US government to facilitate Garcia's return.

 

Thinking legitimate US citizens (natural born or naturalized) are suddenly going to be deported based on this incident is a leap further than jumping the Grand Canyon. 

[Keep Right]

The left wing Democrats are in melt down again as their poster child gang member is sent back to his country of origin. Of course the Democrats want "due process" which will cost the tax payers millions of dollars and postpone this criminal's deportation. But to the left wing its all about "feelings" no matter how much the sovereignty of the United States is decimated.

[cambion]

39 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Thinking legitimate US citizens (natural born or naturalized) are suddenly going to be deported based on this incident is a leap further than jumping the Grand Canyon. 

I really hope you are right. But it's just folks like myself who are worried. Even the judges on the Appeals Court that are handling Garcia's case are concerned. Normally judges only speak about the matter at hand and don't mention unrelated matters like this... but these judges went as far as to call it out in their order.

 

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If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400.8.0.pdf
 

29 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

The left wing Democrats are in melt down again as their poster child gang member is sent back to his country of origin. Of course the Democrats want "due process" which will cost the tax payers millions of dollars and postpone this criminal's deportation. But to the left wing its all about "feelings" no matter how much the sovereignty of the United States is decimated.

Because due process means protections for citizens. If you lose those you get things like the case of Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez (a US citizen who was held by ICE for the full 48 hours they can detain an alien without bringing charges - except that ICE can only hold aliens, not ciitzens). Gomez has since been released as per https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/17/us/lopez-gomez-citizen-detained-ice-florida/index.html but the story is still worrisome.

What really bugs me is why did the US government here agree to pay so much (out of that $6 million pot) on Garcia, when it seems like they haven't spent a dime on a proven dangerous person like Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez. As a Marylander, that case also hits far too uncomfortably close to home.

[lordgrinz]

9 minutes ago, cambion said:

I really hope you are right. But it's just folks like myself who are worried. Even the judges on the Appeals Court that are handling Garcia's case are concerned. Normally judges only speak about the matter at hand and don't mention unrelated matters like this... but these judges went as far as to call it out in their order.

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400/gov.uscourts.ca4.178400.8.0.pdf
 

Because due process means protections for citizens. If you lose those you get things like the case of Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez (a US citizen who was held by ICE for the full 48 hours they can detain an alien without bringing charges - except that ICE can only hold aliens, not ciitzens). Gomez has since been released as per https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/17/us/lopez-gomez-citizen-detained-ice-florida/index.html but the story is still worrisome.

What really bugs me is why did the US government here agree to pay so much (out of that $6 million pot) on Garcia, when it seems like they haven't spent a dime on a proven dangerous person like Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez. As a Marylander, that case also hits far too uncomfortably close to home.

 

Has anyone got any more information on this Lopez-Gomez person? The mother waved a birth certificate in court like it was the Holy Grail, but he has lived since he was 1 yr old until his 16-17 birthday in Mexico. Does he hold a US Passport for his time in Mexico? Did he have a Mexican passport? What ID did he use to cross back into the USA? I am sure this played into what happen, but as usual we get only the sob story part. This is more a reason than any to update US citizen ID's, birth certs and SS numbers are ancient, and open to fraud. One thing I applaud Thailand for is how they handle it here, my daughter at 7 yrs old gets a Thai ID with photo and fingerprint info stored to backup her claim.

[mrwebb8825]

6 hours ago, cambion said:

Marylander & US citizen here. Yes to getting Garcia back, no to Victor Martinez-Hernandez. In fact I find myself wondering why so much money and effort was spent to get rid of someone like Garcia instead of focusing on those actually dangerous like Martinez-Hernandez.

uuh...because your senator demonstrated  what a douchbag he is?

and the only money and effort spent are from left sources. We got him a "group rate". 😆

 

[cambion]

3 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Has anyone got any more information on this Lopez-Gomez person? The mother waved a birth certificate in court like it was the Holy Grail, but he has lived since he was 1 yr old until his 16-17 birthday in Mexico. Does he hold a US Passport for his time in Mexico? Did he have a Mexican passport? What ID did he use to cross back into the USA? I am sure this played into what happen, but as usual we get only the sob story part. This is more a reason than any to update US citizen ID's, birth certs and SS numbers are ancient, and open to fraud. One thing I applaud Thailand for is how they handle it here, my daughter at 7 yrs old gets a Thai ID with photo and fingerprint info stored to backup her claim.

"Has anyone got any more information on this Lopez-Gomez person?" - Not really, or at least not I.

"he has lived since he was 1 yr old until his 16-17 birthday in Mexico." - The only source I could find was https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/who-is-juan-carlos-lopez-gomez-us-born-man-released-after-being-charged-as-an-unauthorised-alien/articleshow/120400250.cms which just says that he spent much of his childhood in Mexico. So it seems to agree with you but is more vague.

"Does he hold a US Passport for his time in Mexico? Did he have a Mexican passport?" - Again this isn't clear, but it's possible that he doesn't have either.

"What ID did he use to cross back into the USA?" - While not clear, I'd speculate that it's likely he entered via the land border. Are you sure he spent his 16th birthday in Mexico? If he came just a little bit before and it was via land, then as a 15 year old he would have only needed the birth certificate (along with a few easy-to-write documents) to cross over, as per https://www.help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1300?language=en_US (which also explains the circumstances where the birth certificate & etc. is good enough for a person who is under 19)

"I am sure this played into what happen; This is more a reason than any to update US citizen ID's, birth certs and SS numbers are ancient, and open to fraud." - Agreed. Like 100%. But if you read the article carefully, the judge couldn't order Gomez free due to a lack of jurisdiction - apparently despite verifying that the birth certificate was real and not a fraud. I don't see why having a US Passport in hand would have changed anything here - unless you think ICE themselves would have more likely trusted a US passport over a birth certificate and just let him go using their own authority?
 

52 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

uuh...because your senator demonstrated  what a douchbag he is?

and the only money and effort spent are from left sources. We got him a "group rate". 😆

 

I like Chris Van Hollen and can't imagine what your issue with him would be. Over a decade ago my family had an immigration snafu (but of a very different nature) and reached out to him, and he tried to help. I voted for him because of that and would do so again. The only thing that could be better is the outreach and help for the family of Rachel Morins.

Of course, sadly, a senator like Hollen has no power to deport anyone from the US, not even someone as horrible as Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez.

So the question remains. Forget about Garcia for a moment - why the heck is convicted murderer Victor Antonio Martinez-Hernandez still in the United States of America?

As for the "group rate" bit - perhaps that's part is true but the rest is not. The US government is spending money to keep Garcia there individually. Otherwise, surely releasing one guy without affecting the rest of the group wouldn't affect the payments going through, right?

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Van Hollen, who is a member of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said Ulloa also told him El Salvador was not releasing Abrego Garcia because the United States was paying to keep him incarcerated.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/us-senator-lands-el-salvador-seeking-release-wrongly-deported-salvadoran-man-2025-04-16/

 

[GammaGlobulin]

On 4/17/2025 at 9:05 AM, stevenl said:

Thumping their nose at the SC.

 

Thumbing their noses at South Carolina?

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

5 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

uuh...because your senator demonstrated  what a douchbag he is?

This is a photo of a real douche using his SM account to project lies and false images to get his false narrative across to his idiot tribe.

 

[jimmybcool]

2 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

This is a photo of a real douche using his SM account to project lies and false images to get his false narrative across to his idiot tribe.

 

 

Is it fake?  How do you know?

[Hamus Yaigh]

4 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Is it fake?  How do you know?

Of course it's fake. The photo posted by Donald Trump on his official X account (@realDonaldTrump) on April 18, 2025, showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records. The claim that Garcia is an MS-13 member is also disputed, as no court has convicted him of gang-related crimes, and a federal judge noted the Trump administration provided no evidence linking him to MS-13. Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented.

[Bkk Brian]

26 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Of course it's fake. The photo posted by Donald Trump on his official X account (@realDonaldTrump) on April 18, 2025, showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records. The claim that Garcia is an MS-13 member is also disputed, as no court has convicted him of gang-related crimes, and a federal judge noted the Trump administration provided no evidence linking him to MS-13. Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented.

Are these fake too?

 

https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/social-media-flooded-with-theories-about-kilmar-abrego-garcias-ms-13-tattoos/

[Hamus Yaigh]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are these fake too?

Of course they are real duh? They have nothing to do with MS-13. Trumps clowns photoshopped MS-13 onto his photo for X so that his tribe thinks the images of a marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull mean he was in MS-13. 

When you are in a hole, stop digging.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Of course they are real duh? They have nothing to do with MS-13. Trumps clowns photoshopped MS-13 onto his photo for X so that his tribe thinks the images of a marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull mean he was in MS-13. 

When you are in a hole, stop digging.

They have everything to do with MS-13, what hole and who's digging?

 

Marijuana leaf = M
Smiley face = S
Cross coverup = 1
Skull coverup = 3

 

 

 

[Wrwest]

14 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

While Mainstream Media Defends MS-13 Gang Member, DHS Stands with the Victims of Illegal Alien Crimes

Release Date: April 15, 2025

WASHINGTON – While the mainstream media continues to peddle a sob story about a member of the brutal MS-13 gang who was in our country illegally, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem stands with the victims of illegal alien crime.

Yesterday, a Maryland jury found Rachel Morins killer, an illegal alien from El Salvador guilty in less than an hour.

“Rachel Morin's killer was found guilty for her brutal murder,” said Secretary Noem. “This criminal illegal alien should have never been in our country in the first place. Rachel should still be here watching her five children grow up. She was a victim of open border policies that prioritized illegal aliens over the safety of American citizens. We hear far too much in the mainstream media about sob stories of gang members and criminal illegals and not enough about their victims.”

Last week, Secretary Noem re-opened the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) office. This office was first launched in 2017 by the Trump administration as a dedicated resource for those who have been victimized by crime that has a nexus to immigration. The Biden Administration shuttered the office, leaving victims and their families without access to key resources and support services.

 

Who's due process of the law, Trump's or democrats? I know they're not the same illegals but do the people in MD really want him back?

It is not a popularity contest. He might well end up being deported (as well as others deported without due process). The point here is the Constitution required due process before depriving anyone on US territory of their freedom. Another incompetent step by the trump administratio, unless ... they are purposely betting that the SCOTUS would rule that the President need not abide by the Constitution.

[cambion]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Of course it's fake. The photo posted by Donald Trump on his official X account (@realDonaldTrump) on April 18, 2025, showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records. The claim that Garcia is an MS-13 member is also disputed, as no court has convicted him of gang-related crimes, and a federal judge noted the Trump administration provided no evidence linking him to MS-13. Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented.

"showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records." - Agreed. Other photos do not show the actual letters or numerals present on the hand. Those were clearly added.

"Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented." - I suspect he's referring to the immigration judges decision to denial bail. This did happen but as I explained earlier in this thread - it's not a conclusive finding that this membership is real, just that there's enough concern over a (very rushed and expedited) bail hearing to deny bail and keep the guy in detention while the IJ sorts out more substantial matters.

 

40 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are these fake too?

 

https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-news/social-media-flooded-with-theories-about-kilmar-abrego-garcias-ms-13-tattoos/

These are real and the proof that Garcia doesn't have the actual letters or numerals explicitly tattooed.

 

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They have everything to do with MS-13, what hole and who's digging?

 

Marijuana leaf = M
Smiley face = S
Cross coverup = 1
Skull coverup = 3

 

 

 

That's a good point. The idea may have been to say that these symbols that are tattooed are a kind of secret code. But then the original tweet could have been better - it confusingly makes it look like the guy has a literal gang name written on his fingers when he only has it in secret code.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, cambion said:

"showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records." - Agreed. Other photos do not show the actual letters or numerals present on the hand. Those were clearly added.

"Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented." - I suspect he's referring to the immigration judges decision to denial bail. This did happen but as I explained earlier in this thread - it's not a conclusive finding that this membership is real, just that there's enough concern over a (very rushed and expedited) bail hearing to deny bail and keep the guy in detention while the IJ sorts out more substantial matters.

 

These are real and the proof that Garcia doesn't have the actual letters or numerals explicitly tattooed.

 

That's a good point. The idea may have been to say that these symbols that are tattooed are a kind of secret code. But then the original tweet could have been better - it confusingly makes it look like the guy has a literal gang name written on his fingers when he only has it in secret code.

lol yea whatever

[cambion]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

lol yea whatever

So I guess this got old fast, eh?
 

13 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No not at all. New facts are always welcome 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, cambion said:

So I guess this got old fast, eh?
 

 

What facts, you gave opinions.

[cambion]

22 minutes ago, Wrwest said:

It is not a popularity contest. He might well end up being deported (as well as others deported without due process). The point here is the Constitution required due process before depriving anyone on US territory of their freedom. Another incompetent step by the trump administratio, unless ... they are purposely betting that the SCOTUS would rule that the President need not abide by the Constitution.

Yes. Even if Van Hollen is successful and Garcia is returned to the US and given all the due process that he is entitled to (even according to SCOTUS) I suspect the ultimate outcome is that he's still deported, just elsewhere. He already had a final removal order against him, after all.

I think that the best that can be hoped for from Garcia's point of view is that when Garcia is ultimately deported (legally and with due process this time), it's to a place that releases him and allows his family to rejoin him (in that new third country).

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, cambion said:

"showing Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckles with an alleged "MS-13" tattoo, appears to be doctored based on visual discrepancies and lack of prior documentation of such a tattoo in court records." - Agreed. Other photos do not show the actual letters or numerals present on the hand. Those were clearly added.

"Trump’s assertion that "two Highly Respected Courts" confirmed Garcia’s MS-13 membership is misleading, as no such rulings are documented." - I suspect he's referring to the immigration judges decision to denial bail. This did happen but as I explained earlier in this thread - it's not a conclusive finding that this membership is real, just that there's enough concern over a (very rushed and expedited) bail hearing to deny bail and keep the guy in detention while the IJ sorts out more substantial matters.

 

These are real and the proof that Garcia doesn't have the actual letters or numerals explicitly tattooed.

 

That's a good point. The idea may have been to say that these symbols that are tattooed are a kind of secret code. But then the original tweet could have been better - it confusingly makes it look like the guy has a literal gang name written on his fingers when he only has it in secret code.

Gangs use symbols and codes to communicate. The tats that this guy have are crystal clear, and are real.

 

If he WEREN'T a member of the gang and got the tats, the actual gang members would kill him. Much like Hell's Angels bikers get a bit upset when non-members wear their colors or symbols. 

 

He is a citizen of El Salvador and is now in his home country. The reason for the non-return order is gone. The gang he asserted was going to harm him is no more, thanks to Bukele. 

[Presnock]

On 4/17/2025 at 7:09 AM, Social Media said:

 

White House Defends Abrego Garcia Deportation, Calling Return "Out of the Question"

 

The White House on Tuesday firmly rejected any notion that Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran national recently deported from the U.S., could ever be permitted to live peacefully in the country, emphasizing that his removal was inevitable due to his alleged gang ties.

 

Press secretary Karoline Leavitt expressed visible frustration over continued media scrutiny of the case, which has attracted national attention and sparked legal debates after U.S. officials initially acknowledged his deportation was a mistake. “Deporting him back to El Salvador was always going to be the end result. There is never going to be a world in which this is an individual who is going to live a peaceful life in Maryland,” Leavitt told reporters at a press briefing.

 

Abrego Garcia’s case took a dramatic turn when a court filing from the administration admitted that his deportation had been the result of an “administrative error.” However, officials have since reversed that stance. The lawyer who authored the initial filing has since been placed on leave. When asked what would happen if Abrego Garcia were brought back to the U.S., Leavitt made it clear: “He would simply be deported again.”

 

 

Homan on Abrego Garcia: "If somehow he comes back and that happens, he's gonna be detained and removed again ... what's the sense of bringing someone back who's simply going to face deportation again?"

 

The administration maintains that Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 gang member and foreign terrorist, claims his family vehemently denies. Leavitt said, “Because he is a foreign terrorist and an MS-13 gang member. Not only have we confirmed that, [El Salvador] President [Nayib] Bukele yesterday in the Oval Office confirmed that as well. So he went back to his home country, where he will face consequences for his gang affiliation and his engagement in human trafficking. I’m not sure what is so difficult about this for everyone in the media to understand.”

 

Abrego Garcia’s relatives, meanwhile, insist he is not affiliated with any gang and had escaped El Salvador as a teenager to flee violence. The government’s claim rests largely on a confidential informant’s tip alleging his involvement with MS-13 in New York — a city where Abrego Garcia reportedly has never lived.

 

The controversy intensified after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last week that the Trump administration must “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s return. Despite this, there has been no apparent effort from the administration to comply with the court’s instruction. Officials have instead deflected responsibility, pointing to El Salvador’s role in any potential return.

 

During a White House meeting on Monday, Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele firmly dismissed the idea of returning Abrego Garcia to the U.S. “How could I return him to the United States? I smuggle him to the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous,” Bukele stated, underscoring his stance.

 

Bukele’s government has cooperated with the Trump administration on immigration matters, including accepting deportees and housing them in a high-security prison known for its harsh conditions. His continued support for the deportation aligns with his domestic policy of cracking down on gangs and organized crime.

 

With both governments now aligned in their position, Abrego Garcia’s fate appears sealed, despite ongoing legal questions and familial objections. The administration’s unequivocal message is that his return to the U.S. is not only unlikely but unwelcome.

 

Based on a report by The Hill  2025-04-17

 

Related Article:

El Salvador will not return Kilmar Ábrego García deported from the US in error

 

 

 

well, for sure, the US Constitution is very clear on the issue of laws that protect and respect the rights of every individual which the Trump decision is in violation of that law.  That is my opinion and also that of the US courts but I also see other violations of the rights of US citizens and residents that are being violate regularly by the Trump administration.  I sure hope that the SC and lower courts will be able to control these violators soonest.  Some day, I hope Trump is taken away and locked up for good for all his violations.  Just like the security breach on SIGNAL - yeah staffers now removed from DOD while the senior violator is left to continue his rule!  A sick society nowadays IMHO in the US>

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Marijuana leaf = M
Smiley face = S
Cross coverup = 1
Skull coverup = 3

The claim that Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s tattoos—marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—represent MS-13 by corresponding to "M," "S," "1," and "3" is not supported by any credible evidence and appears to be a fabricated narrative. MS-13 tattoos typically feature explicit symbols like "MS," "13," devil horns, or gang-specific phrases, not cryptic representations like a marijuana leaf or smiley face. These tattoos are generic, common in personal or cultural contexts, and unrelated to MS-13’s known iconography.

No reputable source, including court documents, gang databases, or expert analyses, links these symbols to MS-13 or suggests they encode "M," "S," "1," or "3." The idea that a cross or skull is a "coverup" for gang symbols is also baseless speculation, as no prior MS-13 tattoos are documented on Garcia. This interpretation seems to have emerged to retroactively justify Trump’s misleading X post on April 18, 2025, which falsely implied these tattoos indicate MS-13 membership. The narrative is likely a post-hoc attempt to obscure the apparent doctoring of the "MS-13" knuckle tattoo and Trump’s misrepresentation of Garcia’s gang status. It’s false and unsupported.

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

The claim that Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s tattoos—marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—represent MS-13 by corresponding to "M," "S," "1," and "3" is not supported by any credible evidence and appears to be a fabricated narrative. MS-13 tattoos typically feature explicit symbols like "MS," "13," devil horns, or gang-specific phrases, not cryptic representations like a marijuana leaf or smiley face. These tattoos are generic, common in personal or cultural contexts, and unrelated to MS-13’s known iconography.

No reputable source, including court documents, gang databases, or expert analyses, links these symbols to MS-13 or suggests they encode "M," "S," "1," or "3." The idea that a cross or skull is a "coverup" for gang symbols is also baseless speculation, as no prior MS-13 tattoos are documented on Garcia. This interpretation seems to have emerged to retroactively justify Trump’s misleading X post on April 18, 2025, which falsely implied these tattoos indicate MS-13 membership. The narrative is likely a post-hoc attempt to obscure the apparent doctoring of the "MS-13" knuckle tattoo and Trump’s misrepresentation of Garcia’s gang status. It’s false and unsupported.

Yea all just coincidence, got it. 

 

 

[sharot724]

43 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea all just coincidence, got it. 

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-ms-13-tattooed-onto-024822957.html

 

President Donald Trump posted a statement from the Oval Office Friday with what appeared to be a digitally altered image that Trump said was the hand of a Maryland father who was deported to a brutal El Salvador prison following officials’ unproven claims he is a member of the MS-13 gang.

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/got-ms-13-tattooed-onto-024822957.html

 

President Donald Trump posted a statement from the Oval Office Friday with what appeared to be a digitally altered image that Trump said was the hand of a Maryland father who was deported to a brutal El Salvador prison following officials’ unproven claims he is a member of the MS-13 gang.

I don't think anyone would disagree with the digitally altered image that Trump posted with text stamps to highlight the meaning of the symbols. Are all the other images that Trump did not post also altered?

[uncletiger]

16 hours ago, cambion said:

Actually I think the main reason is because a lot of US citizens (including myself) wonder if we will be next, if Garcia loses on the due process bit.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

"the US courts have no jurisdiction" - worth noting that the Supreme Court of the United States disagrees with you, in the sense that they upheld the order for the US government to facilitate Garcia's return.

 

I know. We are all aware the US courts, including SCOTUS in some instances, are corrupt and engaging in judicial overreach. Legislating from the bench is one of the most serious problems that must be resolved if the US is going to remain a Republic and not turn into a dictatorship.

[Jingthing]

Good news for Garcia.

It's been reported that he's not in the concentration camp any longer for now anyway but in a regular prison which I'm sure is no holiday either.

I consider him at great danger of being murdered regardless.

Neither the El Salvadorean or Trump regimes want him free and talking. 

El Salvador should simply release him there as they have nothing on him legally and the only reason he was sent to the concentration camp was because the Trump regime was paying.

But as said, it's awkward now as he has the most powerful enemy in the world.

If the Trump regime can disappear Garcia to a concentration camp without due process and get away with it, they can disappear ANYONE including U.S. citizens. without due process.

More and more non maga fascist Americans have figured that out.

This is much much bigger than Garcia.

 

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Calls Out Trump’s ‘Doctored’ Photo Of Wrongly Deported Man — Shows It To His Lawyer

 

This case is not about whether Mr. Abrego Garcia is good or bad, whether he is or isn’t in MS-13, whether he should be able to remain for the rest of his life in the U.S. or not.

This case is about the simple fact that he was removed without due process. And if it can happen to him, and the government pushes back at every turn, despite three different courts ordering them to return him, then who’s next?