Another win for Trump (breaking news)

[impulse]

53 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

If all true, Trump is PO at Russia it seems.  I can see him sending much more powerful weapons to Ukraine.

If nothing else many more Russians will die and hopefully,  their war machine will be at least temporarily slowed down.

 

Slowed down?  They've been pretty much at a standstill since Putin attained his stated objectives.  CNN, from February 2023.

 

[JackGats]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Europe are useless allies

Really? Europe have ensured a steady predictable supply of weaponry to Ukraine. Not a stop-and-go supply with all kinds of strings attached and blackmail. Contrary to what Trump said this is America's war. America organized the blowing up of the German pipeline so that Europe would have to buy US natural gas at extortionate prices.

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Aka Biden the sellout gave out our money for nothing. Zelinsky is agreeing to this deal because it would look really bad if he didnt

Biden did what every other president has done in support a Allie. Trump is the odd ball in trying to turn support into a business deal. He's truly a scumbag in every sense of the word

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, JimHuaHin said:

Another win?  The only win Trump has had was the election.

I would call the deportation of thousands of illegal alien criminals a large win. Also effectively closing the entire southern border to illegal crossings is a yuuuge win! Oh, and attracting trillions of dollars in foreign investment to the US. And starting to refill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which Biden disastrously drained for pure partisan political advantage. 

 

But yeah, other than those very minor details, nothing to talk about. 

[Dan O]

5 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I would call the deportation of thousands of illegal alien criminals a large win. Also effectively closing the entire southern border to illegal crossings is a yuuuge win! Oh, and attracting trillions of dollars in foreign investment to the US. And starting to refill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which Biden disastrously drained for pure partisan political advantage. 

 

But yeah, other than those very minor details, nothing to talk about. 

Can you show us the "trillions of dollars of foreign investments" please. It would be good reading.

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Thanks for showing your lack of knowledge.

You provided no links. I dont care about your opinion on anything

The link is in your profile. If you click on "Find Content" it shows all of your comments and opinions, i.e. a lack of knowledge. This happens when you are confining yourself to one kind of echo chamber for all your information.

[Hanaguma]

23 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Can you show us the "trillions of dollars of foreign investments" please. It would be good reading.

"Meanwhile, foreign investments accounted for more than half of the U.S. total investments since Trump entered office – roughly $3.3 trillion. Foreign investments in U.S. industries came from the United Arab Emirates, Japan, Saudi Arabia and India.

 

Among those countries, the United Arab Emirates invested the most, committing last month to a $1.4 trillion investment framework targeting U.S. based industries over a ten-year period. The other countries that have agreed to invest in U.S. products and industries include Japan, which has committed $1 trillion, Saudi Arabia, which has committed $600 billion, and India, with $310 billion."

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/foreign-domestic-investments-totaling-over-5t-under-trump-adds-451k-jobs-americans

 

Apple alone for $500 billion from a total of $1.8 trillion from private investors.

[frank83628]

Its amazing that people here actually thought or still think the USA do things for the people, this was always about the minerals. It was just kept quiet for the first year or so.

 

[frank83628]

33 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Can you show us the "trillions of dollars of foreign investments" please. It would be good reading.

You need to change your news channels, this wasn't reported at all by the msm

Apple, KIA, Saudis, UAE to name a few

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, Denim said:

A sad expedient but Ukraine is in a corner with regards to weapons and ammunition.  Rest of Europe currently  not able to meet the needs which as ever are urgent.

So basically the US were propping Z man up in a war he had the choice to avoid. Now his has put his country in debt for decades.

But its Trumps fault

[Dan O]

27 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"Meanwhile, foreign investments accounted for more than half of the U.S. total investments since Trump entered office – roughly $3.3 trillion. Foreign investments in U.S. industries came from the United Arab Emirates, Japan, Saudi Arabia and India.

 

Among those countries, the United Arab Emirates invested the most, committing last month to a $1.4 trillion investment framework targeting U.S. based industries over a ten-year period. The other countries that have agreed to invest in U.S. products and industries include Japan, which has committed $1 trillion, Saudi Arabia, which has committed $600 billion, and India, with $310 billion."

 

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/foreign-domestic-investments-totaling-over-5t-under-trump-adds-451k-jobs-americans

 

Apple alone for $500 billion from a total of $1.8 trillion from private investors.

Commitments and agreements are not investments, especially over a number of years 

[Dan O]

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You need to change your news channels, this wasn't reported at all by the msm

Apple, KIA, Saudis, UAE to name a few

Nope I stand by my news sources and they aren't yours. Future commitments and agreements are not investments they are just intentions and can be changed or altered. Check how the stories are worded and how you present them.

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Nope I stand by my news sources and they aren't yours. Future commitments and agreements are not investments they are just intentions and can be changed or altered. Check how the stories are worded and how you present them.

Yeah, didn't expect you to accept it, probably never will.

Proposed investment doesn't just happen over night, you know that right.

[Dan O]

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yeah, didn't expect you to accept it, probably never will.

Proposed investment doesn't just happen over night, you know that right.

I never disputed the intent but they are not invested until they occur. 1.4 trillion over 10 years is not 1.4 trillion invested. Unless you use Trump math this year as stated. Present the information correctly for what it is. 

[frank83628]

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I never disputed the intent but they are not invested until they occur. 1.4 trillion over 10 years is not 1.4 trillion invested. Unless you use Trump math this year as stated. Present the information correctly for what it is. 

Investment in the US dine under Trump

[ThreeCardMonte]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

That's a lie. Military aid was GRANTED. It's Trump who later made up a fiction that it's OK to demand payback.  It doesn't work that way. If something is a loan or a purchase, you start as a loan or a purchase.

Even for Zelensky's yacht and Harley Davidson?

 

Or was it an Indian?

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Slowed down?  They've been pretty much at a standstill since Putin attained his stated objectives.  CNN, from February 2023.

 

They just won't accept it, they still think Ukraine is winning 

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

They just won't accept it, they still think Ukraine is winning 

 

Yup.  Just send a few more bucks and throw a few more Ukrainians on the fire.

 

It's long past time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

[ChicagoExpat]

16 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Even for Zelensky's yacht and Harley Davidson?

 

Or was it an Indian?

Can you provide the provenance of the yacht claim?  I'm willing to be open to information that is harmful to my side of the discussion.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

You need to change your news channels, this wasn't reported at all by the msm

Apple, KIA, Saudis, UAE to name a few

It was reported all over. That includes the notion that these investments were in the pipeline and not related to trump. I do see quite a few delayed/ cancelled investments though since trump started with his flipflops.

[impulse]

13 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Can you provide the provenance of the yacht claim?  I'm willing to be open to information that is harmful to my side of the discussion.

 

I looked it up and the factcheckers claim he didn't buy 2 yachts with USAID money.  But nobody seems to answer the question, "Does Zelensky own a yacht?"  Or even whether he bought one yacht using USAID money. 

 

Though I'm sure he wouldn't own the yacht if he did buy one.  He'd have it under a corporate name.  Probably flagged in Panama.

 

 

[Dan O]

49 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Investment in the US dine under Trump

Commitments for investments that started before trump but announced under trump 

[Dan O]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I looked it up and the factcheckers claim he didn't buy 2 yachts with USAID money.  But nobody seems to answer the question, "Does Zelensky own a yacht?"  Or even whether he bought one yacht using USAID money. 

 

Though I'm sure he wouldn't own the yacht if he did buy one.  He'd have it under a corporate name.  Probably flagged in Panama.

 

 

Stretching trying to make a fact from a unsupported claim

[ThreeCardMonte]

24 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Can you provide the provenance of the yacht claim?  I'm willing to be open to information that is harmful to my side of the discussion.

As most likely a former member of the Chicago Democratic Union (most corrupt in the USA) machine I’m sure you would.

 

Impulse answered your question. 

[Dan O]

36 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Yup.  Just send a few more bucks and throw a few more Ukrainians on the fire.

 

It's long past time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to start.

 

Tell that to russia

[stevenl]

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

As most likely a former member of the Chicago Democratic Union (most corrupt in the USA) machine I’m sure you would.

 

Impulse answered your question. 

So no proof of your claim.

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

So basically the US were propping Z man up in a war he had the choice to avoid. Now his has put his country in debt for decades.

But its Trumps fault

How did he have a choice to avoid Russia invading his country? 

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

How did he have a choice to avoid Russia invading his country? 

 

He could have made them quit killing ethnic Russkies in the Donbass after the US orchestrated a coup.

 

But it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with anyone who thinks this kerfuffle started in 2022.

 

[frank83628]

31 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Can you provide the provenance of the yacht claim?  I'm willing to be open to information that is harmful to my side of the discussion.

Money laundering rarely comes with paper trials, receipts and tax returns

[CallumWK]

48 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Even for Zelensky's yacht and Harley Davidson?

 

Or was it an Indian?

 

You forgot the Bugatti Veyron for his wife.

 

Rhetoric question, are you a MAGA cult member by any chance ?