5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

None of the soldiers there were actually Russians.

Also don't forget the rapes.

 

Typical.

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Typical.

Typical of Soviet and Russian soldiers.

They're still raping like there'e no tomorrow in Ukraine.

Including raping and stealing children.

18 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

The USA is not known to follow international law and declare their wars, not since 1945. They are standing above all laws and rules, has nobody told you?

 

This is why the USA can simultaneously have a president invoking war time emergency powers to deport invaders and strike other nations pre-emptively with economic sanctions (tariffs), while at the same time not being in a state of war.

 

It is grotesque, to use a nice word. Maybe Americans should reflect on that, instead of being moral apostles on a high horse.

 

What is the international law of declaring war?

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Typical of Soviet and Russian soldiers.

They're still raping like there'e no tomorrow in Ukraine.

Including raping and stealing children.

 

Typical of Ukranium nazis, still ethnically cleansing the eastern provinces.

 

Typical of Russian soldiers in western Russia, still grinding up nazis.

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Typical of Ukranium nazis, still ethnically cleansing the eastern provinces.

 

Typical of Russian soldiers in western Russia, still grinding up nazis.

Vladimir Vladimirovich thanks you for your service.

4 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Stalin's mob never gives credit to the British hardware that kept the USSR in the fight after Stalin had killed most of his generals.

 

Your statement deliberately ignores our allies in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere, in order to give a pro-Soviet Russia spin to the war.

 

Stalin enabled Germany's invasion of Poland, France and other countries, and enabled Nazi bombing of Britain.

 

In 1939, the USSR and Germany signed a trade agreement that resulted in the USSR exporting massive amounts of raw material that Germany turned into tanks, planes, guns and bombs that were used to kill Londoners. And supplied the oil to power the tanks that Blitzkrieged into France. Stalin enabled Hitler to start WW2. The Soviet exports to Germany became supercharged once the UK declared war. Stalin even allowed the Germans to build a U-boat base near Murmansk that enabled Germany to evade any blockade the British might have tried in repetition of WW1.

 

It was America and Britain that essentially stopped Germany taking Moscow, and Stalin becoming but a footnote.

 

Russia takes credit.  Less than half of Soviet losses were from the Russian SSR. A large number of the military losses were down to military incompetance thanks to the purges in the 1930s. I don't give them a pat on the back for being idiots.

 

 

Actually, had Hitler not been stupid enough to invade the USSR, it is likely that Stalin would have been quite happy to share the domination of European countries with Hitler, as they did in Poland.

6 hours ago, FlorC said:

Let's hope the parade in Moskou today is not disturbed by terrorists.

Putin?

6 hours ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

 USA began sending aid to the USSR, later renamed the USSA (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics), during World War II. Initially, this assistance was provided through a program called Lend-Lease, which started in 1941, initially primarily for the UK and other nations already at war with Germany and Japan, according to the Office of the Historian. The USSR received supplies outside of Lend-Lease in June 1941, paid for in gold, and was later included in the Lend-Lease agreement in November 1941. This aid included military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food. Roughly 17.5 million tons were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, with 94% coming from the US. 

1 minute ago, TedG said:

 USA began sending aid to the USSR, later renamed the USSA (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics), during World War II. Initially, this assistance was provided through a program called Lend-Lease, which started in 1941, initially primarily for the UK and other nations already at war with Germany and Japan, according to the Office of the Historian. The USSR received supplies outside of Lend-Lease in June 1941, paid for in gold, and was later included in the Lend-Lease agreement in November 1941. This aid included military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food. Roughly 17.5 million tons were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, with 94% coming from the US. 

I am fully aware of the great help USA was, my comment was tongue in check 👍 

It's just a pity that they then created the evil that is Israel. 😞 

Off topic deflection posts and replies have been removed.

 

Bickering troll posts have been removed.

5 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

Really, Germany caused millions of civilian deaths in China ??!

You're being an ass, you know exactly what that table means.  Or are you really that ignorant regarding the history of the WWII conflict.  Did they stop teaching it to you kiddies back in the nanny-state schools.  Or are you willfully stupid.  By your response, I'm judging the latter.   Just stop - don't be an ass.

5 hours ago, Packer said:

It's just a pity that they then created the evil that is Israel. 😞 

 

It's a pity that you post like this with no knowledge of history.

11 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Though the war would drag on for a few more months due to Japan's inability to wrap their minds around the fact that they had already lost the war, this is an incredibly significant day for Europe and marks the end of a long and gruesome war. Those fatality statistics are truly horrific, and what's even more horrific is the fact that so many Russians died at the hands of Stalin, not just the Germans. 

That part of Stalin killing a lot of Russians goes double for Ukraine he starved millions of them to death before ww2 started that’s why many greeted the Germans as liberators….they found out differently soon.lets not allow putin to repeat the same mistake.

12 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

U.S. votes against anti-Nazi resolution at U.N.

The resolution entitled "Combating glorification of Nazism, Neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance," was approved by the U.N.'s human rights committee on Friday with 131 in favor, 3 against with 48 abstentions. 

Ukraine and Palau were the other no votes.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-votes-against-anti-nazi-resolution-at-united-nations/

 

Gewinnend!

 

You are presenting the resolution out of context. The USA and most of the 50+ other  nations who did not support in favour of the  motion are already on record in respect to the issue, with the USA  one of the most vociferous opponents of such hate. Their position was attributable to the language used and the manipulation by Russia which  sought to use the motion as a justification of its  illegal attack on Ukraine and annexation of Ukraine territory.

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

  Would you support Donald Trump if he declared war on Russia ?

 

A question posed without circumstances. It is not unreasonable to oppose a declaration of war without a legitimate reason for the declaration of war provided.

 

12 hours ago, FlorC said:

Let's hope the parade in Moskou today is not disturbed by terrorists.

 

Are you expecting  some dissatisfied Russian from Tashkent or Chechhnya to disrupt?

 

12 hours ago, baansgr said:

But Stalin was our ally...and with 21 million Russian deaths I think they deserve a lot of credit...in fact, they were Britain's only ally, you yanks always arrive late to the party

 

A majority of those deaths were because of the Russian state itself. It was Russia that sent waves of unarmed people against  German  trenches and fortified positions. It was Russia that allowed millions of Russians to starve rather than evacuate areas out of German attacks. It was Russia that confiscated Russian farmers property resulting in mass starvation. Much of Ruussia's military  losses were self inflicted or due to poor  leadership from Stalin and his entourage.

 

13 hours ago, connda said:

Today, on both May 8th and May 9th depending on the region, we reflect and mourn the losses caused by the German Nazis who attempted to establish a Third Reich in Europe and beyond.

 

7 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

Quite the confusing table you posted there, following your comment.

 

Really, Germany caused millions of civilian deaths in China ??!

 

Also quite missing, where are the millions of people the USA killed; are they not worth even a mention??

 

1 hour ago, connda said:

You're being an ass, you know exactly what that table means.  Or are you really that ignorant regarding the history of the WWII conflict.  Did they stop teaching it to you kiddies back in the nanny-state schools.  Or are you willfully stupid.  By your response, I'm judging the latter.   Just stop - don't be an ass.

 

I am being an ass? Maybe.

 

But you, a citizen of the most bloodthirsty country on the planet within the last 80 years, with dozens of conflicts and wars in this time, should at least be precise -- so what are you?

 

I think we should also reflect on this day, how far the actions of the USA are from the spirit of this special occasion. Im am literally sick hearing holier-than-you Americans preach to us about the horros of war and collateral civilian deaths, while at the same time bombing and incarcerating people as their daily mood dictates.

 

I believe, if Germans should hang their head in shame about historical things, you Americans are standing right beside us on this pillory of shame -- but you seem to not even be aware of it.

1 hour ago, jts-khorat said:

 

 

 

I am being an ass? Maybe.

 

But you, a citizen of the most bloodthirsty country on the planet within the last 80 years, with dozens of conflicts and wars in this time, should at least be precise -- so what are you?

 

I think we should also reflect on this day, how far the actions of the USA are from the spirit of this special occasion. Im am literally sick hearing holier-than-you Americans preach to us about the horros of war and collateral civilian deaths, while at the same time bombing and incarcerating people as their daily mood dictates.

 

I believe, if Germans should hang their head in shame about historical things, you Americans are standing right beside us on this pillory of shame -- but you seem to not even be aware of it.

Your government (back in the day) started it the allies finished it same goes for the Japanese.now in my opinion there is a question as to why it happened (being to hard on Germany after ww1) and in the case of japan realizing they wanted an empire like Britain…..but beating up on us for the deaths of ww2 naaa.some of the others yes we are culpable sure it needs to stop.Ukraine is not in that category btw.

38 minutes ago, Tug said:

Your government (back in the day) started it the allies finished it same goes for the Japanese.now in my opinion there is a question as to why it happened (being to hard on Germany after ww1) and in the case of japan realizing they wanted an empire like Britain…..but beating up on us for the deaths of ww2 naaa.some of the others yes we are culpable sure it needs to stop.Ukraine is not in that category btw.

 

If you re-read my post, I am not beating up on the Americans for the deaths in WW2 -- but for all the deaths that followed in their many, many undeclared wars all over the planet. It seems, that specifically the USA has not learned the lesson of WW2, literally killing millions since then (the majority civilians).

 

Now they are preaching to the world as if they are morality and wisdom incarnated, while they have a president implementing the Nazi playbook action for action just as I write this.

 

Just today the news that Trump wants to suspend the habeas corpus; we just need to wait what will be their version of the "invasion of Poland": Greenland, Panama, Canada, Gaza... and finally, at the moment, the USA is "just" trying to deport people -- as did Nazi Germany in the beginning, even though neither the UK nor the USA wanted the Jews -- but this is already a slippery slope: will their version of concentration camps be in Guantanamo Cuba, Cecot El Salvador or a more exotic place like Lybia?

 

I believe the world has learned their lessons, but no American has the right to say a single word: right now, they are literally the bad guys.

3 hours ago, Tug said:

That part of Stalin killing a lot of Russians goes double for Ukraine he starved millions of them to death before ww2 started that’s why many greeted the Germans as liberators….they found out differently soon.lets not allow putin to repeat the same mistake.

There's no question that Putin has it within himself to be a genocidal madman, on the level of Hitler, if given the right opportunity. He would have no compunctions as the man has no moral barometer, and no integrity whatsoever. Also, he seems to enjoy inflicting pain upon common people, and his thirst for power knows no boundaries. 

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There's no question that Putin has it within himself to be a genocidal madman, on the level of Hitler, if given the right opportunity. He would have no compunctions as the man has no moral barometer, and no integrity whatsoever. Also, he seems to enjoy inflicting pain upon common people, and his thirst for power knows no boundaries. 

Seems eerily familiar……….with someone else scary times indeed 

46 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

 

If you re-read my post, I am not beating up on the Americans for the deaths in WW2 -- but for all the deaths that followed in their many, many undeclared wars all over the planet. It seems, that specifically the USA has not learned the lesson of WW2, literally killing millions since then (the majority civilians).

 

Now they are preaching to the world as if they are morality and wisdom incarnated, while they have a president implementing the Nazi playbook action for action just as I write this.

 

Just today the news that Trump wants to suspend the habeas corpus; we just need to wait what will be their version of the "invasion of Poland": Greenland, Panama, Canada, Gaza... and finally, at the moment, the USA is "just" trying to deport people -- as did Nazi Germany in the beginning, even though neither the UK nor the USA wanted the Jews -- but this is already a slippery slope: will their version of concentration camps be in Guantanamo Cuba, Cecot El Salvador or a more exotic place like Lybia?

 

I believe the world has learned their lessons, but no American has the right to say a single word: right now, they are literally the bad guys.

No rite now putin is the bad guy

Pointless destruction, but this how this old WW2 vet spent VE day

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

 

 

 

I am being an ass? Maybe.

 

But you, a citizen of the most bloodthirsty country on the planet within the last 80 years, with dozens of conflicts and wars in this time, should at least be precise -- so what are you?

 

I think we should also reflect on this day, how far the actions of the USA are from the spirit of this special occasion. Im am literally sick hearing holier-than-you Americans preach to us about the horros of war and collateral civilian deaths, while at the same time bombing and incarcerating people as their daily mood dictates.

 

I believe, if Germans should hang their head in shame about historical things, you Americans are standing right beside us on this pillory of shame -- but you seem to not even be aware of it.

 

The US grew into a military superpower because of you dumb Nazi's. 

13 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Pointless destruction, but this how this old WW2 vet spent VE day

 

 

 

 

 

That was dumb. 

4 hours ago, Tug said:

That part of Stalin killing a lot of Russians goes double for Ukraine he starved millions of them to death before ww2 started that’s why many greeted the Germans as liberators….they found out differently soon.lets not allow putin to repeat the same mistake.

 

When I was much younger, there was this old boy down at the Football Supporters Club. He use to clear the glasses or something. Gregory was an old Ukrainian. My god, did he hate the Russians. I have a feeling he might have batted for the Germans at one point on the basis of My enemy's enemy is my friend.

 

An interesting speech suggesting that the entire objective of Germany in WW2 was basically Ukraine:

 

https://www.eurozine.com/germans-must-remember-the-truth-about-ukraine-for-their-own-sake/

 

 

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It’s very important that when we speak about Ukraine, we’re not only speaking about nationalists. Nationalists are relatively a small part of Ukrainian history, they’re a relatively small part of the Ukrainian present.

When we think about the German occupation of Ukraine, we have to remember some very simple banal points that often escape our attention. Like for example, there was no particular correlation between nationality and collaboration. Russians collaborated, Crimean Tatars collaborated, Belarusians collaborated. Everyone collaborated; there is no, as far as we can tell, correlation between ethnicity and collaboration, with the partial exception of the Volkesdeutsche, of course. But in general, there is no correlation between ethnicity and collaboration.

Something else to remember: the majority, probably the vast majority, of people who collaborated with the German occupation were not politically motivated. They were collaborating with an occupation that was there, and an occupation which is a German historical responsibility. Something that is never said, because it’s inconvenient for precisely everyone, is that more Ukrainian communists collaborated with the Germans than did Ukrainian nationalists. This doesn’t seem to make sense to us, and so no one ever says it, but it is precisely the case. Vastly more members of the Communist Party collaborated with the German occupation than did Ukrainian nationalists.

And for that matter, very many of the people who collaborated with the German occupation had collaborated with the Soviet policies in the 1930s. These points, although they’re very basic, and they’re completely obvious, if you think about them, are typical of Ukrainian history. They’re typical of the fact that Ukraine was ruled first as part of the Soviet Union and then under an incredibly bloody and devastating German occupation. When we think about the way that occupation ended, we often overlook certain basic points, like this:

Incomparably more Ukrainians died fighting against the Wehrmacht than fighting on the side of the Wehrmacht, which is not something that one can say about every country that’s considered an ally.

 

 

 

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Now, more Ukrainians fought and died on the Allied side than French, British or Americans. More Ukrainians fought and died on the Allied side than French, British and Americans put together. Why do we not see this? Because we forget that Ukrainians were fighting in the Red Army. We confuse the Red Army with the Russian Army, which it most definitely was not.

The Red Army was the army of the Soviet Union, in which Ukrainians, because of the geography of the war were substantially over-represented.

 

 

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

None of the soldiers there were actually Russians.

Also don't forget the rapes.

 

So what was the ethnic makeup of the Soviet armies assaulting Berlin?

Any body notice putin and XI chortling and hammering it up during the festivities???im guessing it’s more than the victory over the axis……meanwhile we have the clown administration +the clown cabinet……interesting times indeed….

WW 2 had the most casualties of all the wars. Russia & China suffered the most

human losses with  that being said

countries were split up with a generation of millions upon millions

subjected to Communist  rule in Russia , eastern  European countries and China .WHAT ever became of the Communist Eastern Bloc people  ?

 

George Patton didn’t want to stop!

He wanted to take it to the USSR and drive them back out of the countries they occupied!

With all that being said what ever happened to millions upon millions of indoctrinated communist/ socialist  after the Collapse of the SOVIET UNION and eastern bloc European countries?