Vance ancestry in doubt

[Smokin Joe]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Typically clueless if he used the term Scotch.

 

It was the OP that used the term Scotch, not Vance

[gamb00ler]

12 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Ulster-Scots is the correct term.  This is the curious thing; Ulster-Scots is not the same as being Irish. American politicians like to embrace cultural identities for electoral reasons, and the Irish lobby seems particularly powerful. But being a Hick from West Virginia; thats not going to resonate with a Mick from Boston.

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one of my favorite off topic posts... thanks!

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Yeah. Very American way of reporting: "north of Ireland" - American political correctness as they can't bring themselves to write 'Northern Ireland' - just like you see them usually refer to the UK as 'Great Britain' - instead of the universally accepted name "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" (UK for short). The DUP is somewhat of a shadow of its former self without "the Reverand" Ian Paisley, no? (Never forget his fiery self - "No Pope here!!")

 

I had a Postie give me stick when he delivered a letter to my Glasgow home address Glasgow, England.

 

The Brits are as bad when we call someone from Alabama a Yank.

 

 

Could be worse. Some could come on here inviting a metaphorical thick ear, by referring to the "Six Counties"

 

The (Irish) Republican conspiracy theory runs deep.

 

https://hannahmccarthyreports.substack.com/p/jd-vances-catholicism-and-some-pieces

 

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JD Vance’s journey from Christian evangelical to Catholic has been charted in this piece in The New York Times. In 2019, Vance was baptised and receive his first communion in a Dominican Order chapel in Cincinnati.

His conversion has been credited, in part, to two Dominican priests who both trained as lawyers and clerked with Diarmuid Fionntain O'Scannlain, a senior United States circuit judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

The Portland-based conservative judge, who once ran for elected office as a Republican, is the son of Irish parents who both have strong links to the early 20th century Republican movement against British rule of Ireland.

Born in Sligo, O'Scannlain’s father was a member of the Irish Republican Brotherhood and was arrested in Manchester while buying guns from a German agent (not clear exactly when but around 1916 it seems). He was brought back to prison in Dublin, and managed to escape with his cellmate to Derry city up in northern Ireland where the two were hidden in an attic. It was while in-hiding that O'Scannlain’s father met his future wife, the daughter of the IRA chief for Derry.

 

 

 

[3NUMBAS]

He’s not very bright ,a dumbo to be in power ,ok running a Boy Scout troop but nothing else 

[dinsdale]

AI overview.

Appalachian heritage is a blend of diverse influences, primarily Scots-Irish, with contributions from other European and African populations, as well as Native American traditions. The region's unique history and geography fostered a distinctive culture of self-reliance and community, expressed through traditions, folklore, and a distinct dialect. 

Scots-Irish:

A significant portion of Appalachians trace their ancestry to Scots and English who were resettled in Northern Ireland before migrating to the American colonies in the 18th century. These settlers, often referred to as Scots-Irish, brought their own traditions and customs to the region. 

[MicroB]

10 minutes ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

It was the OP that used the term Scotch, not Vance

 

Vance said something almost as bad:

 

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To understand me, you must understand that I am a Scots-Irish hillbilly at heart.............I may be white, but I do not identify with the WASPs (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) of the Northeast. Instead, I identify with the millions of working-class white Americans of Scots-Irish descent who have no college degree. To these folks, poverty is the family tradition…Americans call them hillbillies, rednecks, or white trash. I call them neighbors, friends and family.

 

The identity is Ulster-Scots. To call a "hillbilly"  Irish would be see as a gross insult. Hillbillies was used by Irish catholics to describe members of William's army at the Boyne, who were mostly Scots. Why "Hill Billies". Well, the cvlue is in another term of insult used in Ireland; Planter. Ulster was known as the Ulster Plantation. The Planters were colonists taking over confiscated lands. The story is some got a bit bored and headed off to America for further opportunity. In Ulster, the Planters had a pretty sweet deal compared to the Catholics; fixed rents.

 

All the terms Vance refers to lack insight. Hillbillies at one time described someone with a rabid  adherance to Protestantism and the Crown. Red-Necks were Covenanters; hardcore Presbyterians, who refused to accept the primacy of the Church of England, signed their names in blood, and wore red scarves to signify where they stood. White trash? Most sources point to that being a term used by black slaves to describe poor white people; if not Ulster-Scots types, they will have been descendants of those indentured workers (slaves) sent to the tobacco fields of Virginia.

 

And then Vance marries a Hindoo and becomes a Roman Catholic. His ancestors, if Scots, might be thinking was it worth moving to America to establish some god-fearing paradise free of going to hell Catholics for this to happen.

 

[Negita43]

I had a dream last night - Trump passed Vance  became president.

Sorry nightmare!

[impulse]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Appalachian folks have mainly Scott Irish ancestors.

 

You should hear what Thomas Sowell has to say about them, and the communities they spawned in the USA.

 

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

You should hear what Thomas Sowell has to say about them, and the communities they spawned in the USA.

 

I like listening to T Sowell, he's very interesting.

[ronnie50]

1 hour ago, Magictoad said:

To be honest the United Kingdom is a lie. Never in the history of Britain has the country been so disunited. So a more appropriate name for the country is The Disunited Kingdom

Wouldn't that 'Disunited' name apply more appropriately to the 'United' States than the UK?

Not suggesting the UK is fully united by any means though.

[MicroB]

19 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

I had a dream last night - Trump passed Vance  became president.

Sorry nightmare!

 

 

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

JD Vance's 'Irish' ancestry claim in doubt after experts look into family history

irishstar.com

21 hours ago

The vice president has often claimed to be of "Scotch–Irish" descent but research paid for by Democratic Union Party in the north of Ireland failed to find any link

 

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-irish-heritage-scottish-35284198.amp

I thought you'd be more concerned about your own health issues rather than posting crap on here about others

[MicroB]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

I thought you'd be more concerned about your own health issues rather than posting crap on her about others

 

I believe this is a stalking post.

[Tug]

12 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

It was the OP that used the term Scotch, not Vance

I thought the op used scrote and a more apt description in my opinion .

[bendejo]

So does this mean he's not really Ellie Mae's brother?

 

So here's an administration where the president spends hours per day on his hair and makeup, and his vp's wife puts eyeliner (kohl) on her hubby.  And this is the WH that is so up in arms at men dressed as women.