Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

[stevenl]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except you're wrong, as the CDC chart for 2025 below shows:

 

 

At least 67% of the reported COVID deaths in the U.S. thus far this year had COVID as the underlying [main] cause. Only the remaining one-third had COVID as a contributing cause.

 

But hey, keep making up stuff as you go along...

 

 

 

10 hours ago, freedomnow said:

because they had pre-existing conditions and died with covid.

Again this already many times debunked nonsense.

[simon43]

7 hours ago, jas007 said:

If you seriously think the NIH isn't part of the scam, then you're the one who needs to open his eyes.  

 

Occam's razor.  Ever hear of that?   Step back and look at the big picture. 

 

You remind me of the people who say there's no evidence that vaccines result in autism.  And yet when you track the autism rates along side the vaccine frequency, guess what?  

 

Let me guess.  You'd. say there's "no evidence" of a connection.  

 

Go shill somewhere else.  No one with a brain is going to buy your nonsense. 

You know what is one of the major characteristics of a person who peddles false information?  They make personal attacks on those who oppose their views.

[dinsdale]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Unlike you, everything I post here is sourced to credible sources and includes the supporting weblinks for the info.

 

None of my  sources are those with long histories of COVID misinformation or unknown social media types trolling the gutters of the internet.

 

Not sure the CDC is seen as a credible source anymore.

[jas007]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Now you're onto vaccines and autism, echoing serial anti-vaxer and COVID misinformer RFK Jr.  Enough said....

 

So now you know more about it all than RFK, Jr?  LOL

 

Maybe you should look into some of what he has uncovered by way of spending his life litigating against the big drug companies.  Evidence uncovered, admissions under oath, and so on.  

 

Of course, your only intention seems to be spreading misinformation, so I'm sure you won't bother to seek out a few facts.  

 

 

[JAG]

12 hours ago, Lacessit said:

When you have idiots on social media shrieking about how dangerous vaccines are.... QED.

Then add in the unavailability (through cost) of basic medical care to poorer people...

 

It is quite remarkable that a nation which can afford to spend 40% of the global funds spent on "defence" cannot look after the health of it's most vulnerable!

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, simon43 said:

You know what is one of the major characteristics of a person who peddles false information?  They make personal attacks on those who oppose their views.

Oh my, can't help stupid. Unfortunate the idiocracy we have to live with, other people who are convinced the whole world is a conspiracy against them, and we are to idiots who do not share their illusions.

 

Even history and science shows the world is a better place today than before, they pussing us back to the dark ages.

 

Some even cultivate old cultures like the viking age, a time people died 40 years old, full of worms and other parasites and plagues, where everyone was slaves of the king, if not his right or left hand

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Of course, your only intention seems to be spreading misinformation, so I'm sure you won't bother to seek out a few facts.  

Looking forward to trustworthy sources for your facts.

[dinsdale]

9 hours ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Let the anti-vax morons die.

Again with the stupid anti-vax demonising rubbish. Not wanting an mRNA jab does not make someone an anti-vaxxer. It makes them anti Covid-19 mRNA injections. 

[morrobay]

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

One important point here is that many of those U.S. seniors dying from COVID don't have to be dying, if more had been vaccinated:

 

Per the U.S. CDC, the 2024-2025 COVID vaccine reduced the risk of hospitalization from COVID in seniors age 65 and above by 45-46%, compared with all seniors who had NOT received the 2024-2025 vaccine.

 

"During September 24, 2023–August 11, 2024, approximately 800,000 COVID-19–associated hospitalizations occurred in the United States (1); adults aged ≥65 years accounted for 70% of these hospitalizations."

 

"COVID-19 vaccination averted approximately 68,000 hospitalizations during the 2023–24 respiratory season."

 

" Among immunocompetent adults aged ≥65 years from two CDC networks, VE [vaccine effectiveness] estimates against COVID-19–associated hospitalization were 45% (95% CI = 36%–53%) and 46% (95% CI = 26%–60%) during the first 7–119 days after vaccination."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm

 

 

Oh vaccinated schmaccinated. I'm surprised 40% of these people are still walking around. Never have been vaccinated in spite of many exposures. Or get the others flues .

[SLOWHAND225]

lol

[connda]

 

The risk of death from any cause for adults ages 75 years to 84 years old is about 140 times higher than for adults ages 18-29.

There - fixed it!  

[connda]

18 hours ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Let the anti-vax morons die.

 

Make sure to stay up to date on all of your mRNA shots and boosters.  Get them at least twice a year.  Safe and Effective!

[jas007]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

Looking forward to trustworthy sources for your facts.

I'm done discussing COVID.  For me, it's over, I'm here and no one jabbed me with anything., fortunately.  

 

And I know what I know and I've seen the receipts, so to speak.  

 

Far be it from me to give anyone health advice.  People can do what they want with their own bodies.  

[Red Phoenix]

21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

COVID has killed far more Americans annually in recent years than has the flu, as the chart below clearly shows:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data/illness-severity.html?CDC_AAref_Val=https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/illness-severity.htm

 

 

But the numbers have been getting closer in 2025, as this was a very bad year for the flu in the U.S., and COVID thus far in 2025 has been comparatively mild compared to recent years.

 

The CDC says the U.S. had between 6,300 – 52,000 flu deaths annually between 2011 and 2024. If you add all those years together, the total for flu is still going to be far less -- less than half by my quick count -- compared to the 1.2 million U.S. COVID deaths only since 2020.

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu-burden/php/about/index.html

 

That's because basically COVID is the 'rebranded flu'...

[Ralf001]

23 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?

 

 

 

Because they having existing health issues not related to the WuFlu.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

Far be it from me to give anyone health advice.

 

Funny enough, that's exactly what your comrade anti-vaxer and COVID misinformer RFK Jr. recently told Congress when they asked him about vaccines... Unfortunately, though, he's been appointed by Trump to head the entire U.S. government Health and Human Services department, which includes most of the federal government's public health units like the CDC and NIH..  But RFK Jr., of course, is an attorney and politician by trade and has no medical training whatsoever, making him a perfect Trump pick for the job.

 

RFK Jr. says people shouldn't take his medical advice when asked about vaccines at hearing

May 14, 2025

 

"When asked hypothetically if he would vaccinate his children today for measles during a House hearing Wednesday, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said "probably," but added he doesn't think people should be taking medical advice from him.

 

"My opinions about vaccines are irrelevant," he said in response to the question from Democratic Rep. Mark Pocan of Wisconsin during the House Appropriations Committee hearing. "I don't want to seem like I'm being evasive, but I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me." [emphasis added]

...

Kennedy has a long history of raising doubts about vaccines — despite decades of evidence showing they have saved millions of people from debilitating illness or death.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-medical-advice-vaccine-question-hearing/

 

 

Nice thought on RFK's part to abstain, except that it's his clown clones who now are setting U.S. government vaccine policy, entirely bypassing the actual medical expert groups at the FDA and CDC that historically have guided those policies.

 

Governance by the loons.

 

"Since 2005, Kennedy has promoted vaccine misinformation^[1] and public-health conspiracy theories,^[2] including the chemtrail conspiracy theory, HIV/AIDS denialism, and the scientifically disproved claim of a causal link between vaccines and autism. He has drawn criticism for fueling vaccine hesitancy amid a social climate that gave rise to the deadly measles outbreaks in Samoa and Tonga."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

 

For the record, I also don't offer medical advice here, since I don't have professional training in the field. But I do share the current thinking and expertise of actual professional experts and health organizations in the field, as opposed to social media rubbish from the gutters of the internet.

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

That's all, 300 ?

300 X 52 = 15.6k, drop in the bucket, as stated, probably on borrowed time to begin with.

 

Actually thought there'd be more, since about 3M die every year. 

2.98M in 2023

And 3+M projected for 2024 & 2025

 

source: https://www.consumershield.com/articles/deaths-per-year-us

 

people die, get over it ... 

[jas007]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"Since 2005, Kennedy has promoted vaccine misinformation^[1] and public-health conspiracy theories,^[2] including the chemtrail conspiracy theory, HIV/AIDS denialism, and the scientifically disproved claim of a causal link between vaccines and autism. He has drawn criticism for fueling vaccine hesitancy amid a social climate that gave rise to the deadly measles outbreaks in Samoa and Tonga."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.

 

Certainly you must realize Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

 

I'm not sure what your game is, other than to be another part of the propaganda machine. 

 

It doesn't matter I guess. You're doing your job.  Just realize, not everyone is stupid. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Certainly you must realize Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

 

I'm not sure what your game is, other than to be another part of the propaganda machine. 

 

It doesn't matter I guess. You're doing your job.  Just realize, not everyone is stupid. 

 

 

RFK Jr.s record on health matters and COVID and vaccines is very clear and well known. He made his name as being the head of an all-purpose anti-vaxer organization. You and anyone can find the same assessment of his history from countless other news organizations and public health professionals.

 

If you don't like Wikipedia, CBS News above just offered a brief snippet on him and his nonsense:

 

"Kennedy has a long history of raising doubts about vaccines — despite decades of evidence showing they have saved millions of people from debilitating illness or death.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-medical-advice-vaccine-question-hearing/

 

[stevenl]

16 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Certainly you must realize Wikipedia is not a reliable source for anything.

 

I'm not sure what your game is, other than to be another part of the propaganda machine. 

 

It doesn't matter I guess. You're doing your job.  Just realize, not everyone is stupid. 

Wikipedia is a much more reliable source than your opinions.

[uncletiger]

22 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except you're wrong, as the CDC chart for 2025 below shows:

 

 

At least 67% of the reported COVID deaths in the U.S. thus far this year had COVID as the underlying [main] cause. Only the remaining one-third had COVID as a contributing cause.

 

But hey, keep making up stuff as you go along...

 

 

 

Right. Because the CDC isn't a captured organization that lies and fudges data for its own purposes. Sorry. Don't trust your source.

[jas007]

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

RFK Jr.s record on health matters and COVID and vaccines is very clear and well known. He made his name as being the head of an all-purpose anti-vaxer organization. You and anyone can find the same assessment of his history from countless other news organizations and public health professionals.

 

If you don't like Wikipedia, CBS News above just offered a brief snippet on him and his nonsense:

 

"Kennedy has a long history of raising doubts about vaccines — despite decades of evidence showing they have saved millions of people from debilitating illness or death.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-medical-advice-vaccine-question-hearing/

 

 And so you now rely on another part of the mainstream propaganda machine?  As I've said, not everyone is stupid.  

 

It's sad, really, what happened. People trusted the "authorities" and thousands died.  Innocent people removed from the gene pool at an early age, all because some clowns have a depopulation agenda.  And, whether you know it or not, that's what it was.  

 

Not my problem, at this point. 

 

 

 

 

[TedG]

21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Strangely enough, most of the same good habits that help protect people from COVID also help protect them from the flu, given that they're both viral infections:

 

--getting vaccinated

--wearing a quality face mask when close around others

--practicing good hand hygiene

--keeping in good general health

etc etc etc.

 

You must wear a mask 2/47 and wrap yourself in bubble wrap. 

[TedG]

11 hours ago, JAG said:

Then add in the unavailability (through cost) of basic medical care to poorer people...

 

It is quite remarkable that a nation which can afford to spend 40% of the global funds spent on "defence" cannot look after the health of it's most vulnerable!

 

The USA spends 19% of the GDP on heathcare.  It's not a spending problem. 

[TedG]

21 hours ago, WayWokeWhiteGuy said:

Let the anti-vax morons die.

What's so woke of you. 

[hotsun]

Is it only the extremists here who start threads about vaccines? No one with a balanced view

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

people die, get over it ... 

 

Yes, everyone's going to die eventually, no doubt about that...

 

But thinking and empathetic people ought to be concerned about those who didn't have to die when they did, and whose lives could have been saved if they had chosen or been given the proper kinds of preventive medical care... in the case of COVID, COVID vaccines.

 

You can try to obscure that fact and reality all you want by tossing out all-cause death figures. But the COVID vaccines have been shown to be very effective in preventing serious COVID illness and death in the most vulnerable populations, those age 65 and above.

 

Except too many of them are scared off by the anti-vax nonsense peddled by those like many of the posters here, and some end up dying prematurely because they fell victim to that kind of misinformation.

 

The CDC reported last fall that U.S. seniors who took the 2023-2024 COVID vaccine had between 69% (one month after vax) and 43% (up to 5 months after vax) lower risks of critical illness and death from COVID vs those who didn't get the then-latest vaccine.

 

 

 

There was similar data this spring from the CDC for the 2024-2025 COVID vaccine among seniors:

 

Per the U.S. CDC, the 2024-2025 COVID vaccine reduced the risk of hospitalization from COVID in seniors age 65 and above by 45-46%, compared with all seniors who had NOT received the 2024-2025 vaccine.

 

February 27, 2025

 

"Among immunocompetent adults aged ≥65 years from two CDC networks, VE [vaccine effectiveness] estimates against COVID-19–associated hospitalization were 45% (95% CI = 36%–53%) and 46% (95% CI = 26%–60%) during the first 7–119 days after vaccination."

 

What are the implications for public health practice?

"These findings indicate that 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccination provides additional protection against COVID-19–associated ED/UC encounters and hospitalization, versus no 2024–2025 vaccination and support CDC and ACIP recommendations that all persons aged ≥6 months receive 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccination."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm

 

 

 

[bubblegum]

Not vaccinated maybe?

[TedG]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Yes, everyone's going to die eventually, no doubt about that...

 

But thinking and empathetic people ought to be concerned about those who didn't have to die when they did, and whose lives could have been saved if they had chosen or been given the proper kinds of preventive medical care... in the case of COVID, COVID vaccines.

 

You can try to obscure that fact and reality all you want by tossing out all-cause death figures. But the COVID vaccines have been shown to be very effective in preventing serious COVID illness and death in the most vulnerable populations, those age 65 and above.

 

Except too many of them are scared off by the anti-vax nonsense peddled by those like many of the posters here, and some end up dying prematurely because they fell victim to that kind of misinformation.

 

The CDC reported last fall that U.S. seniors who took the 2023-2024 COVID vaccine had between 69% (one month after vax) and 43% (up to 5 months after vax) lower risks of critical illness and death from COVID vs those who didn't get the then-latest vaccine.

 

 

 

There was similar data this spring from the CDC for the 2024-2025 COVID vaccine among seniors:

 

Per the U.S. CDC, the 2024-2025 COVID vaccine reduced the risk of hospitalization from COVID in seniors age 65 and above by 45-46%, compared with all seniors who had NOT received the 2024-2025 vaccine.

 

February 27, 2025

 

"Among immunocompetent adults aged ≥65 years from two CDC networks, VE [vaccine effectiveness] estimates against COVID-19–associated hospitalization were 45% (95% CI = 36%–53%) and 46% (95% CI = 26%–60%) during the first 7–119 days after vaccination."

 

What are the implications for public health practice?

"These findings indicate that 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccination provides additional protection against COVID-19–associated ED/UC encounters and hospitalization, versus no 2024–2025 vaccination and support CDC and ACIP recommendations that all persons aged ≥6 months receive 2024–2025 COVID-19 vaccination."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7406a1.htm

 

 

 

BTW..the 95% CI persented in your screen capture is on the large size.  

[frank83628]

RFK talking sense.. well done. F the covid scam from Pfizer, pushed by the paid for msm, 🐑🐑