25 minutes ago, Pib said:

And did you ask did you still need to mail back the bar-coded 7162 if you receive it? 

 

Personally I would also mail-in a manual 7162 to Wilkes Barre via Thailand Post "regular airmail (cost around Bt70)" to play it safe.  And of course mail back the bar-coded 7162 if/once it arrives....it will probably show-up tomorrow per Murphy's Laws. 

I asked that question and she said no.

She asked my Thai phone number too. 

Oh yes, I fully expect the form shortly. 😉

11 hours ago, Galong said:

At the end I said, "are you sure I don't have to mail in the form?"  She said, "no, you've been submitted to the 7162 site. You're all set"
 

 

Just for others listening in, where the SSA rep said "....you've been submitted to the 7162 site...." as to what that specially means below partial quote from the SSA POMS(i.e., instruction/regulation/etc) for the 7162 attestation process explains what it means.   Basically the SSA rep will electronically submit the attested 7162 form to Wilkes Barre and mail a copy to the individual.    Hopefully SSA does mail a person a copy and it finds your mailbox within a few weeks to a month....time will tell.

 

And I assume Wilkes Barre upon receiving the electronically submitted 7162 they would then log the person as having responded to the Wilkes-Barre 7162 bar-code mailing.  And if for some reason Wilkes Barre didn't process the form and come January a person still ended-up on the Wilkes Barre  benefits suspension report as not responding to 7162 bar-codes mailing that before SSA actually suspended benefits they would look into their IT imaging system (per another POMS instruction) and see the record of the person accomplishing the attestation and then be removed from the benefits suspension list.   All is good.  

 

I figure this attestation process has just as good of a chance (very high) as your actual mailing to Wilkes Barre of a bar-coded or manual 7162.   I can also see SSA being overrun with phones from people wanting to do the attestation 7162 process (maybe too early) as it may give the people more of a warn-fuzzy feeling and also save them some potentially pricey mailing costs.   

 

I can also see SSA possibly not accepting an attestation request "before a certain time" except for good reason like SSA knowing of specific problem preventing some people from responding via mail like the current mailing problem caused by Donald's tariffs.    It's kinda like how the Manila FBU has always pushed back in "normal years" until around Oct/Nov when people wanted to accomplish a 7162 submission "to the Manila FBU"....it wasn't to around Oct/Nov during normal process years that Manila was agreeable to this as they want people to use the normal process of responding to Wilkes Barre mailings--and I'm sure HQ SSA told all FBU's to proclaim the normal Wilkes Barre process except in certain exceptions.   Even with the attestation process the SSA rep doing the attestation must electronically transmit the attested 7162 to Wilkes Barre for some kind of further action.    

 

 

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/reference.nsf/links/08272025080205PM

 

 

3 hours ago, Pib said:

 

... the SSA rep doing the attestation must electronically transmit the attested 7162 to Wilkes Barre for some kind of further action.    

 

 

 

Yes, that what she did, she sent it onward to PA and the 7162 team.

On 9/2/2025 at 1:50 PM, Jingthing said:

Correct.

Now hearing from a video by lawyer Ben in Bangkok it is still shut down to America. True or False ?

19 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

Now hearing from a video by lawyer Ben in Bangkok it is still shut down to America. True or False ?

Letters are NOT shut down now.

Form 7162 is a letter.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Letters are NOT shut down now.

Form 7162 is a letter.

I hope you are correct because I just traveled about 500 miles to pick up my form and mail it in the morning from here. Otherwise a wasted trip to Nakhon Nowhere. 

25 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

I hope you are correct because I just traveled about 500 miles to pick up my form and mail it in the morning from here. Otherwise a wasted trip to Nakhon Nowhere. 

I appreciate your confusion as this has been a moving target but Integrity Legal appears to be WRONG about this.

Won't be the first or last time.

Again, LETTERS (not packages) are OK as August 28 evidenced here:

 

If for some reason your Thai Post office rejects your letter to the U.S., take that up with Thai Post.

Has nothing to do with me.

 

Haven't tried but this is supposedly working...

 

10 hours ago, gargamon said:

Haven't tried but this is supposedly working...

 

I got my 'Proof of Life' sorted over the phone on the night of Sept 2nd!!!!! 🥳  

I call the International Operations number +1 410 965 0160. I called at 8:00 pm and only waited about 15 minutes.  The process took about 15 minutes on the phone.

7 hours ago, Galong said:

I got my 'Proof of Life' sorted over the phone on the night of Sept 2nd!!!!! 🥳  

I call the International Operations number +1 410 965 0160. I called at 8:00 pm and only waited about 15 minutes.  The process took about 15 minutes on the phone.

Well that's good news. It actually works.

Sent my form today.

Regular air mail.

68 baht.

Dang what happened to my post? I called SSA at 1213 tonight, 40 minutes to get agent. My 8 August form still not processed after a month. I give up, so tried the attestion method. She gave it her best but was unable to get it received even though she was right there in the Wilkes-Barre building. All in all in took 110 minutes, over an hour and a half and she couldn't get it through. So, she emailed it to Manila and asked them to finish processing it. They're supposed to call me next week. And I have to do this again for a friend. Guess I'll call the International number next time. 410 965 0160. 

8 hours ago, cusanus said:

Dang what happened to my post? I called SSA at 1213 tonight, 40 minutes to get agent. My 8 August form still not processed after a month. I give up, so tried the attestion method. She gave it her best but was unable to get it received even though she was right there in the Wilkes-Barre building. All in all in took 110 minutes, over an hour and a half and she couldn't get it through. So, she emailed it to Manila and asked them to finish processing it. They're supposed to call me next week. And I have to do this again for a friend. Guess I'll call the International number next time. 410 965 0160. 

 

What happened to my post? you say....maybe you were talking the more detailed post (below) you put in a related thread?   

 

Boy, oh boy, I feel your frustration in that phone call to where both you and the SSA rep are going back & forth with the attestation Q&A process but when the rep hits the Submit button that finalizes and provides confirmation of a successful submission the SSA system does not finalize/confirm the submission.    I expect you were calling using some type of free/low cost VOIP system like Magic Jack, Google Voice, etc., where the cost of a long length phone call was very low/free,  but if a person was calling from some number that you were forking out significant money-per-minute that would just raise a person's frustration level.

 

I expect most everyone has experienced a similar event (probably more than once) where they are doing some online process where you have now completed one or several pages of data entry & question answering...maybe even uploaded a document or two, but when you get to the final page and click the "Submit" button the system errors-out, you just get a rotating wheel, or get a message along the lines of Try Again Later.  You just can't get the confirmation page or confirmation control number of successful submission.  

 

Yeap, I feel your pain in that phone call.   Personally, I would just mail a manual 7162 to Wilkes-Barre using regular airmail (cost around Bt70).   

 

 

1 hour ago, Pib said:

Boy, oh boy, I feel your frustration in that phone call to where both you and the SSA rep are going back & forth with the attestation Q&A process but when the rep hits the Submit button that finalizes and provides confirmation of a successful submission the SSA system does not finalize/confirm the submission.    I expect you were calling using some type of free/low cost VOIP system like Magic Jack, Google Voice, etc., where the cost of a long length phone call was very low/free,  but if a person was calling from some number that you were forking out significant money-per-minute that would just raise a person's frustration level. Yeap, I feel your pain in that phone call.   Personally, I would just mail a manual 7162 to Wilkes-Barre using regular airmail (cost around Bt70).   

You missed the point. If the form cannot be confirmed after a month (8 August), it may never will be, so I went ahead with the attestation process figuring it would take only a few minutes and not another hour. The agent would know if her submission was received, but it wouldn't transmit even in the same building, so she struggled for an hour before giving up. I'll check again Monday night for a friend and if they haven't been processed I'll call the other number people above have had good luck with if Manila hasn't called like she asked. 

On 9/5/2025 at 7:43 AM, Galong said:

I got my 'Proof of Life' sorted over the phone on the night of Sept 2nd!!!!! 🥳  

I call the International Operations number +1 410 965 0160. I called at 8:00 pm and only waited about 15 minutes.  The process took about 15 minutes on the phone.

is there no 800 #
how did u call?   i have ais do u dial like xxx than 1-410.......

18 minutes ago, zzzzz said:

is there no 800 #
how did u call?   i have ais do u dial like xxx than 1-410.......

Read my last post if still there. I use a magicjack. If you don't have that or other VOIP you'll have to pay AIS charges. I was on the phone for almost two hours to the 800 number without confirmation that the attestation worked, so you're much better off using the 410 965 0160 number that others have found much shorter and effective. At least that's my experience so far. It may be that the lady who did the attestation didn't know what she was doing, but she seemed to. So, maybe the submit button doesn't always work or she was new to the idea, who knows. It's a new thing and not everyone will be on top of it. You'll want to have this link up on your PC to tell them the POM number, etc. To call the states I think you have to add first the exit code, 001 or is it 066.
 https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/reference.nsf/links/08272025080205PM

7 hours ago, zzzzz said:

is there no 800 #
how did u call?   i have ais do u dial like xxx than 1-410.......

There is an 800 number. That's for a lot of people. I chose the international operations because I thought I'd get through sooner. I got through in 10 minutes. 

I use Viber Out. It's $1.99/month for unlimited calls to the US. I also have an 'any country' plan that is pay-as-you-go. I put $10 in it a few months ago.  It's very cheap to call internationally.

he sole embedded purpose of US America Social Security Agency is advice and assist and instruct and to
follow up delivery of pension money removed from USA citizens pay checks employed over 40 years.

The Internal revenue W2 pay check filed forms and the Social Security Administration incorporate only 9
digit number to file and identify citizen records stored on a SSA.GOV central data computer location.

This subject header is focused on SSA.GOV fiduciary services to US America citizens retired outside the
United States of America and therefore re routed from USA SSA.GOV to the Filippines FBU operations.

US American citizens can not receive personal face to face supported instructions that are part of the
USA SSA,GOV, at home land, a walk in support service.

The US American citizens who do not work for USA .SSA.GOV are forced to follow the re routed demands and
instructions from FBU Manila agents. Benefits / pension applications and proceedures are completely isolated
from timely updated central International SSA.GOV support. The time delays average 6 months and delayed
SSA.GOV benefit payments are lost in a dark hole trashed if FBU Manila demands another piece of paper
verified at the USA Embassy then recycled again for 6 months and so there is no SSA.GOV instant update       

Thank you for your disclosures about filing SSA.GOV benefits at the USA Embassy using the pre printed
forms offered at the USA Embassy. Yes you and every body else was only following the demands and orders
of Manila FBU to go to the USA Embassy and get certified! The USA Embassy up to 2018 offered paper forms
and special contract agreement to pickup SSA.GOV paper checks in person every month with a passport!!

The USA Embassy, USA State Department mailed notice 2018 they shall no longer assist with SSA.GOV and
all USA citizens must contact FBU Manila direct and the USA Embassy can now only verify documents
with a rubber stamp signature, there are no longer SSA.GOV application forms at the USA Embassy!

It is the responsibility of a USA citizen to follow obey the demands as instructed under Manila FBU in
order to pursue the collection of retirement benfits that was already filed and re routed delayed
scatered over several years of pursuing a simple 9 digit taxed identity retirement benefit money.

It is not a perfect world and not every USA citizen has a USA support team, no USA bank account, no USA friends
or relatives alive or senile helping collect SSA.GOV money inside USA applied support.

It is not a perfect world some people make things happen some people wait for things to happen some people just
dont care what happen,  Except for USA citizens who are having serious trouble and legal complaints under
extreme stress of Manila FBU ignored delayed zero problem solutions to follow up FBU orders / demnds
 
Above here the real facts, a history created by Manila FBU SSA.GOV asigned cover ups... The people
as USA citizens have spoken and so want problem solutions not emotions to receive retirement money!

If you have SSA.GOV money delivery problem comments, then stay inside a step by step explicit detail explanation
of what solution did you get SSA money from FBU SSA.GOV agents. Help and instruct old USA citizens
step by step what happen to your Social Security American pension benefit delivery application to the
country of Thailand. This is for the few old people isolated, retired, USA citizens living in Thailand

These USA citizens do not work for the USA Government! They only follow the scattered SSA orders and demands of
temporary Manila FBU agents, if available, periods of 6 month delayed Manila FBU correspondence cycles.

USA citizens are stranded left isolated and waiting for Manila postage delivery, delayed abouts every 6 months.
There is no top down assigned supervisory assistance available and US citizens are plain ignored problem resolution
receive no money just left waiting completely ignored treated as dead enemy soldiers who lost their dog tags.  
 
This herein topic has nothing to do with temporary USA visitors or family of USA citizens who already started
Social Security applications recorded in person at a walk in face to face USA.GOV office. This topic is
to help understand unresolved, unknown, extreme delays to problem solutions using your 9 digit SSA.GOV
identity outside the United States Of America

 

SSA 7192 ask you every year are you a USA citizen and you   used  your USA  biometric  Immigration  letter certified passport  attached to open your SSA Direct Deposit bank account and you used  every yeear USA passport to obtain one year temporary visa resident  with 90 day address TM47  verification and phone number  WTF here is brain dead parasites paid by SSA failore to cross communicate and justify collecting SSA 65,000  USD pay checks from your FICA paid taxes confiscated for postage stamps 7192  forms mailed to 76.thousandUSA citizens retired outaide USA borders.. What a huge waste of SSA FICA money we all paid for.  

 

(The USA State Depsrtment renew your passport under 30 days snd operates all over the globe USA Embassy with a dedicated staff American Citizens Services responsible for UScitizen birth and death flle SSA card entry visa forward tax and assist local legal problems that are total ignored refused by Manila FBU  customer service .  

 

WHY the hell we report any way to your local American Citizens Office located inside every USA passport secured mbassy entry already ?

 

The Embassy already know who you arefrom passport and for the history recordeddid deliver paper SSA checks before2017 Manila FBU take over as a Australia to China allexpenses paid food hotel traveljng FBU SSA  manipulation

 

write to white bouse SSA manager Congres or continue this 7192  BullS if you want change, it took you from 8 years to 20 years of scholastic education whenyou started fumbling with your SSA earnings pay history now today SSA POM book manual changed updated daily  over 2000 pages reported takes 2years of reading as traing WTF cary on yor life

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On 8/30/2025 at 12:37 AM, cusanus said:

Bad news. I mailed the form 8 August, so it should have arrived a week or more ago and they had an extra week to process it. Manila hasn't answered the email I sent two days ago asking for confirmation. So, I called 1-800-772-1213 to ask for confirmation. In the past receipt was always confirmed, but this time it was confirmed not processed yet. Disappointing. I'll try again in a week.     

Is this nightmare going to end?!  Are you saying that in the past, you called SSA around a month (or whatever) after having posted, and they confirmed they had received and processed your 7162.  However this year you called SSA, and they are saying they haven’t received and processed it your 7162?

26 minutes ago, MJoe said:

Is this nightmare going to end?!  Are you saying that in the past, you called SSA around a month (or whatever) after having posted, and they confirmed they had received and processed your 7162.  However this year you called SSA, and they are saying they haven’t received and processed it your 7162?

That's right. I'd call 3 weeks after mailing and was always told it had been received, but this year after a month, no cigar. So, tonight I called the 410 965 0160 number and this time the agent said she was unable to tell me if received or not, or if the attestation last Thursday went through. So, it took 25 minutes to get through to her and we did the attestation procedure again. Then my disabled friend had to do hers. We ended just short of an hour instead of almost 2 hours using the 800 number. By the way, there is no SUBMIT button. The agent has to put you on hold for about ten minutes and email it from her Wilkes-Barre office to another Wilkes-Barre office, then tell you the process is finished. It ought to be foolproof, but they can't really tell you if anyone actually reads the email or posts it. So, knock on wood. If you think this is easier than 2 minutes to fill in a form and a trip to the post office, then we're not on the same planet. But we do what we have to. 

28 minutes ago, cusanus said:

That's right. I'd call 3 weeks after mailing and was always told it had been received, but this year after a month, no cigar. So, tonight I called the 410 965 0160 number and this time the agent said she was unable to tell me if received or not, or if the attestation last Thursday went through. So, it took 25 minutes to get through to her and we did the attestation procedure again. Then my disabled friend had to do hers. We ended just short of an hour instead of almost 2 hours using the 800 number. By the way, there is no SUBMIT button. The agent has to put you on hold for about ten minutes and email it from her Wilkes-Barre office to another Wilkes-Barre office, then tell you the process is finished. It ought to be foolproof, but they can't really tell you if anyone actually reads the email or posts it. So, knock on wood. If you think this is easier than 2 minutes to fill in a form and a trip to the post office, then we're not on the same planet. But we do what we have to. 

OMG - thanks for sharing.  From talking to these SSA reps this year, is your “gut feel” that one would be naive for assuming our mailed 7162 forms are going to be processed?

6 hours ago, MJoe said:

OMG - thanks for sharing.  From talking to these SSA reps this year, is your “gut feel” that one would be naive for assuming our mailed 7162 forms are going to be processed?

I don't know. Probably there's a large backlog in getting the forms out of the envelope and into the barcode reader after firing 4,000 SSA workers. But you should be able to confirm over the phone but the last rep couldn't do that. I wouldn't call anyone naive, but the system is obviously a mess and confirmation isn't working anymore. After airmailing the form and doing the attestation twice... what else can I do but hope? 

If one does not get a second 7162 notice from SSA I will assume all is copacetic.

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Mailed mine fast mail to Manila yesterday for 720 baht and hopefully not a total waste of money and effort. Smart move Social Security laying off more people because of the FREAK in the Black House.

SSA 7162 dead or alive form ask you every year are you a USA citizen YES/NO

 

SSA 7162 ask you married children but you must go to USA passport certified security entrance to Embassy to certify SSA.GOV family 

 

Every year you  use  your USA  biometric  Immigration bank  letter certified passport  attached to open your SSA Direct Deposit bank account 

 

Every year you use  USA biometric passport to obtain a one year TM7  temporary resident visa stamp discloding your address, phone, bank acconut, lenght of stay

 

You use valid biometric  passport every 90 days prove your address TM47  verification and phone number

 

How can you alone prove you are dead or alive licking a glue on a envelope paid with postage traveling to your post office and hope it was delivered after bouncing around the planet to one isolated PO BOX that stuff a all mail into a sack and dump it on a metal desk ready to shuffle by a motivated ?

 

The USA State Depsrtment renew your passport under 30 days snd operates all over the globe USA Embassy with a dedicated staff American Citizens Services responsible for USA citizend recorded birth, death. SSA card, USA secured visa, USA tax.  and assist local legal problems that are ALL totalyl ignored, refused as stated by Manila FBU  customer service .  

You use valid biometric  passport every 90 days prove your address TM47  verification and phone number