How much MORE evidence do we need to prove beyond doubt that the mRNA Covid-19 shots kill?

[cjinchiangrai]

All of it, because there is no evidence.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, madone said:

seriously, how much more time can you spend posting this <deleted> and why here? 

 

Quick answer to your question > 

Why here?  Because this is the Covid/Vaccine sub-forum, which is part of the uncensored non-moderated Off the Beaten Track forum where views that are not aligned with the 'accepted narrative' can be freely discussed. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Quick answer to your question > 

Why here?  Because this is the Covid/Vaccine sub-forum, which is part of the uncensored non-moderated Off the Beaten Track forum where views that are not aligned with the 'accepted narrative' can be freely discussed. 

For fruitcakes........?   

[madone]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Quick answer to your question > 

Why here?  Because this is the Covid/Vaccine sub-forum, which is part of the uncensored non-moderated Off the Beaten Track forum where views that are not aligned with the 'accepted narrative' can be freely discussed. 

mad as a fokkin hatter. `

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, PJ71 said:

Are you friends with that other guy that's scared of his own shadow, 'tallmanjimmy' or something like that?

I wouldn't call TallGuyJohninBangkok my 'friend'. 

The only thing we have in common is our posting frequency on the Covid/Vaccine issue. 

Him a rabid pro-vaxxer and myself wearing the Anti-Vaxxer label as a badge of honour. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

The arguments are getting more and more stupid.

It may come as a surprise to you, but people can die for all  sorts of reasons, not just from vaccines. It is all about managing the risk factor. Any more of this rubbish and some will be jumping out the window.

Please tell, is it more dangerous to have a vaccination or drive in Thailand?

Answers on a postcard.

Driving to a Thai vaccination center is akin to playing Ukranian roulette (with 5 bullets in your 6-shooter)

[Mike_Hunt]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

That's actually a rhetorical question, because the evidence at this moment in time is so monumentally overwhelming that those that still deny the harms of mRNA Covid-19 shots are either paid pharma-shills or are doing so 'by habit'.  After 4-5 years of the evidence building up, and continually growing, the deniers are so entrenched in their position that no matter what facts and data are presented, these are routinely dismissed.  Facts and data presented are no longer challenged, their only arguments being ad hominem attacks (targetting the messenger, and not the message), ridicule and 'anti-vaxxer' insults.  

 

They simply closed their eyes and ears for the facts, blinded by the 24/7 Big Pharma propaganda that wanted to convince everybody that black is white and the jabs are safe, effective and necessary. 

A quick memory refresher of what they '(dis)missed':

• The early VAERS data spoke volumes. Ignoring the main reason for the collection of these data.
• People suddenly collapsing during live-broadcasts and athletes collapsing on the field also on live TV (and this in fairly large numbers).
• Ed Dowd, exposing the disaster by showing the rise in all cause mortality data (the one set of data that cannot be manipulated).  And life insurance executives confirming the rising deaths in working-age people. 
• Early as well as continual warnings from experts in their fields (e.g. cardiology, oncology, bio-statisticans, etc.) censored and suppressed.

There is much more, but it is all to no avail.  

As the dutch proverb goes 'What use are candles and glasses if the owl doesn't want to see' 

 

This as introduction to once again a giant nail in the coffin of the Jab-harm deniers.  

> The consistent pattern when you plot deaths following Covid-19 jabs in a time-series.  

The shots do not prevent you from catching Covid (claiming different was one of the early lies, on which the jab-enthusiasts had to backtrack).  And the new message now is that they prevent serious illness and death.  If that were true you would expect a stable or even declining trend-line of deaths after the covid-shots.  

And the point is that this holds true for the majority of OTHER vaccines, but NOT for the Covid-19 death-shots.  

That's also the reason that the compromised Pharma-advertisement funded mainstream media never publish these graphs.

 

In my next post in this thread I will provide the link and some excerpts of articles by Steve Kirsch that demonstrate that the Covid-19 shots do NOT protect you, but are slow-kill injections as proven by all the time-series graphs from different countries. 

 

= = = 

 

This is such bullchips. 

[Hamus Yaigh]

So much misinformed nonsense but whats new on this forum?

 

The claim hinges on a conspiracy theory that dismisses scientific evidence by alleging systemic bias in research due to pharmaceutical funding. Here's what's gone wrong:

   

Over-generalization: Not all scientific journals are funded by "Big Pharma." Many are supported by academic institutions, government grants, or independent organizations. Peer-reviewed journals like Nature or The Lancet have rigorous editorial processes to minimize bias.

 

Misunderstanding Peer Review: The peer-review process involves independent experts scrutinizing studies for validity. While funding can influence research, it doesn’t automatically invalidate results. Studies on COVID vaccines undergo global scrutiny, with data from diverse sources like public health agencies and independent researchers.

 

Ignoring Evidence: Claims that vaccines "kill people" often cherry-pick rare adverse events (e.g., myocarditis or blood clots) while ignoring extensive data showing vaccines’ safety and efficacy. For example, studies from the CDC, WHO, and independent researchers (e.g., in NEJM or BMJ) show serious side effects are rare (<0.01% for most vaccines).

 

Echo Chamber Effect: The person likely consumed unverified information from sources that amplify distrust in institutions. Social media platforms like X can create echo chambers where misinformation spreads without challenge, reinforcing biases.

 

Logical Fallacy: The argument assumes funding equals corruption, ignoring that science thrives on replication and transparency. If vaccines were dangerous, independent researchers, whistleblowers, or competing companies would expose it for credibility or profit.  This is misinformation amplified by distrust and selective exposure to biased narratives. 

[PJ71]

21 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I wouldn't call TallGuyJohninBangkok my 'friend'. 

The only thing we have in common is our posting frequency on the Covid/Vaccine issue. 

Him a rabid pro-vaxxer and myself wearing the Anti-Vaxxer label as a badge of honour. 

My bad, same same but diffelent i guess..

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

So you would rather believe one of those compromised white-coats that the OP or me?

 

You are 'here' until you are 'not here'. Can't you see Sir, that nature dictates everything. The white-coats are interfering in nature, and hurting the people; who are very much a part of it. 

 Just another crank pseudo-argument.

 

LOL   Humans shouldn't interfere in nature.... no more breeding of plants to produce new strains that resist fungi or tolerate heat better or tolerate drought better....???  It seems those practices have been acceptable to Mother nature over several millennia.  Where do you draw the boundary?

 

You're starting to sing the same hymns as some ancient religious zealots!

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The anti-vaxx crowd often cites these adverse events as if they are unique to vaccines, completely overlooking that the diseases themselves pose a much greater risk. It's a textbook example of cherry-picking data without proportionality, and it undermines meaningful, evidence-based discussion.

What utter nonsense.

 

',,,events as if they are unique to vaccines,,,'

 

There is stuff being made in research labs that have no place in nature. When injected into the body they are unique and will cause illness never before seen.

 

',,,diseases themselves pose a much greater risk,,

 

This is simply rubbish. What diseases? I'll tell you what they are. Simply made up things. Diseases are just strings of data in a computer. They don't exist in the real world. It is so the already wealthy, can get even more so. And the white-coats can reap the compromised rewards.

 

There are less that 10 true diseases. Each organ has the possibility of becoming dysfunctional.  I'm interested in why they become that way. And it has nothing to do with a mysterious entity called a virus.

 

Since when is love great wealth more important than love of nature?! What has happened to humanities soul?

[Peabody]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

All the leading journals that publish scientific papers are partly or totally funded by Big Pharma.

Bullshti

 

[FritsSikkink]

How many more OP's about the same topic from the same poster?

[Magictoad]

5 hours ago, Denim said:

Hmmm....I know a lot of people who , like myself  , must , according to the OP , have already been killed away and are in fact , state of the art zombies.

 

Peanuts are proven to be lethal to some people. Should everyone be agitating to cease the production of lethal peanuts ?

 

Ok ok , we all now fully understand that the poster is an anti vaxer. Nobody has a problem with this. But wouldn't it be better for everyone if he just got back to doing whatever it was he was doing before Covid instead of constantly trying to justify his position ?  Move on  , enjoy life. It's really nice.

Er...Sorry but I have a problem with anti vaxers. I think it morally wrong to spread lies and disinformation about such an important subject. This kind of rubbish can not be spread in medical or science journals so anti-vaxers come to forums like this knowing that there are no doctors or scientists to argue with them. So you say we fully understand he's an anti water & Nobody has a problem with that. You're wrong. Millions of people hate anti vaxers for the damage they do to individuals, communities,  children and a whole range of people who need these vaccines to survive.

[Stiddle Mump]

41 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

So much misinformed nonsense but whats new on this forum?

 

The claim hinges on a conspiracy theory that dismisses scientific evidence by alleging systemic bias in research due to pharmaceutical funding. Here's what's gone wrong:

   

Over-generalization: Not all scientific journals are funded by "Big Pharma." Many are supported by academic institutions, government grants, or independent organizations. Peer-reviewed journals like Nature or The Lancet have rigorous editorial processes to minimize bias.

 

Misunderstanding Peer Review: The peer-review process involves independent experts scrutinizing studies for validity. While funding can influence research, it doesn’t automatically invalidate results. Studies on COVID vaccines undergo global scrutiny, with data from diverse sources like public health agencies and independent researchers.

 

Ignoring Evidence: Claims that vaccines "kill people" often cherry-pick rare adverse events (e.g., myocarditis or blood clots) while ignoring extensive data showing vaccines’ safety and efficacy. For example, studies from the CDC, WHO, and independent researchers (e.g., in NEJM or BMJ) show serious side effects are rare (<0.01% for most vaccines).

 

Echo Chamber Effect: The person likely consumed unverified information from sources that amplify distrust in institutions. Social media platforms like X can create echo chambers where misinformation spreads without challenge, reinforcing biases.

 

Logical Fallacy: The argument assumes funding equals corruption, ignoring that science thrives on replication and transparency. If vaccines were dangerous, independent researchers, whistleblowers, or competing companies would expose it for credibility or profit.  This is misinformation amplified by distrust and selective exposure to biased narratives. 

A well thought out post. But leads in completely the wrong direction.

 

Medical science - on the whole - is just a compromised nonsense. Much of the time, 'facts' that are carved in stone have, been a myth, that had been built upon for money.

 

Your point about ',,,,independent researchers, whistleblowers...' would sing out; is true. But they quickly get rubbished, silenced and sidelined for their trouble. Was there a opposite view to 'viruses' and 'vaccines' during the C-19 era on MSM? Of course not. Big money. Big Pharma. Big profits. They rule the roost in today's health world.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

[jayboy]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

I do not 'rely on the evidence of Steve Kirsch'. 

 

You invoke a discredited and intellectually threadbare source.By doing so you lose your own right to be taken seriously.

[Stiddle Mump]

8 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Millions of people hate anti vaxers for the damage they do to individuals, communities,  children and a whole range of people who need these vaccines to survive.

Oh dear!

 

If Kennedy can get at the hidden CDC, NIH and FDA files, millions might want to know if they having the jab was a good thing.

 

Of course the millions that have been vax-injured, already know it was folly to roll up their sleeve.

[Stiddle Mump]

32 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

 Just another crank pseudo-argument.

 

LOL   Humans shouldn't interfere in nature.... no more breeding of plants to produce new strains that resist fungi or tolerate heat better or tolerate drought better....???  It seems those practices have been acceptable to Mother nature over several millennia.  Where do you draw the boundary?

 

You're starting to sing the same hymns as some ancient religious zealots!

Learn from nature. Don't try to better it; especially for money.

 

The body is a wonderful piece of kit. It will look after you if it is itself taken care of. Give it clean water, fresh air and nutritious food, and if will fend of most stuff it will encounter. But, chemicals, poisons, toxins, vaccines, and other medicine can catch the defence system out. And then there is a battle within.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Then there’s Stiddle, whose posts are so absurd they’re only worth engaging with on occasion.

 

Thank-you for proving my point with far greater certainty than I did... 

 

 

42 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What utter nonsense.

 

',,,events as if they are unique to vaccines,,,'

 

There is stuff being made in research labs that have no place in nature. When injected into the body they are unique and will cause illness never before seen.

 

',,,diseases themselves pose a much greater risk,,

 

This is simply rubbish. What diseases? I'll tell you what they are. Simply made up things. Diseases are just strings of data in a computer. They don't exist in the real world. It is so the already wealthy, can get even more so. And the white-coats can reap the compromised rewards.

 

There are less that 10 true diseases. Each organ has the possibility of becoming dysfunctional.  I'm interested in why they become that way. And it has nothing to do with a mysterious entity called a virus.

 

Since when is love great wealth more important than love of nature?! What has happened to humanities soul?

 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Owl doesn't see all

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Learn from nature. Don't try to better it; especially for money.

 

The body is a wonderful piece of kit. It will look after you if it is itself taken care of. Give it clean water, fresh air and nutritious food, and if will fend of most stuff it will encounter. But, chemicals, poisons, toxins, vaccines, and other medicine can catch the defence system out. And then there is a battle within.

 

I really would welcome the opportunity to see you put this to the test... 

 

Unvaccinated - stay in an area known for SmallPox, Measles, Polio, H1N1 influenza, Ebola, Marburg outbreaks....

... and also Yersinia pestis bacteria, tuberculosis... Vibrio cholerae, Streptococcus pneumoniae, Clostridium botulinum...  scratch yourself and contract Clostridium tetani, or get bitten by a rabid dog.....

 

And do so... without any medicine whatsoever...   remember as you keep bleeding....   'nature has the answers'....   

[Red Phoenix]

19 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Owl doesn't see all

But much more than the blind, deaf and dumb parroting the 'safe and effective' mantra... 

[TedG]

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

  After 4-5 years of the evidence building up, and continually growing, the deniers are so entrenched in their position that no matter what facts and data are presented, these are routinely dismissed.  Facts and data presented are no longer challenged, their only arguments being ad hominem attacks (targetting the messenger, and not the message), ridicule and 'anti-vaxxer' insults.  

 

 

= = = 

 

When you bring hard facts to the table, let me know.  

 

[gamb00ler]

50 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Nature has the answers we seek.

and... .mRNA is nature's tool to enable the human cell to create the thousands of proteins essential to human life.  We use that tool, just as we use the miracle of plant and animal sexual reproduction to adapt the different species to fit a specific need or sometimes a broader range of environments.  Adaptation and evolution is how life on this planet works.

 

Humans are mostly plagiarists that copy/steal nature's methods.  After all plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

You just don't extend your thinking enough to see that truth.

[TedG]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

I do not 'rely on the evidence of Steve Kirsch'.  

He simply put the available data from Czech Republic, Israel, New Zealand and the US Medicare, in a time-series graph.  

And the mRNA Covid-19 'vaccines' show a different trend than time-series of other vaccines.  Instead of a stable or declining trend of death, as one might expect from a 'safe and effective' vaccine, these long-term kill-shots show a motality increase.  

And he is fully right that these tell-tale time-series graphs are 'taboo' subjects at the mainstream media, as they clearly expose the awful truth.

Post the data and link the sources. 

[Red Phoenix]

56 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

Er...Sorry but I have a problem with anti vaxers. I think it morally wrong to spread lies and disinformation about such an important subject. This kind of rubbish can not be spread in medical or science journals so anti-vaxers come to forums like this knowing that there are no doctors or scientists to argue with them. So you say we fully understand he's an anti water & Nobody has a problem with that. You're wrong. Millions of people hate anti vaxers for the damage they do to individuals, communities,  children and a whole range of people who need these vaccines to survive.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Post the data and link the sources. 

Here you go, I repost > Source: https://kirschsubstack.com/p/covid-time-series-graphs-show-clearly

[gamb00ler]

29 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I really would welcome the opportunity to see you put this to the test... 

 

Unvaccinated - stay in an area known for SmallPox, Measles, Polio, H1N1 influenza, Ebola, Marburg outbreaks....

... and also Yersinia pestis bacteria, tuberculosis... Vibrio cholerae, Streptococcus pneumoniae, Clostridium botulinum...  scratch yourself and contract Clostridium tetani, or get bitten by a rabid dog.....

 

And do so... without any medicine whatsoever...   remember as you keep bleeding....   'nature has the answers'....   

@Stiddle Mump and of course play with dogs, cats, raccoons, monkeys that have rabies.... you'll soon be begging and praying to receive the only life saving treatment......vaccination that will enable your natural body to fight a natural enemy.  Don't forget that vaccine employs nature's methods to save you.

[TedG]

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

 Have you gone through life without a single vax? 

[Stiddle Mump]

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

SmallPox, Measles, Polio, H1N1 influenza, Ebola, Marburg outbreaks..

None are diseases. Nor is Rabies IMO.