Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

[still kicking]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I would look at her past history. Did she have any medication that caused her sickness?

She did not get any medication; her parents thought that just prying would help.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Voting age.

Old enough to drive a pick-up.

Old enough to see through white-coat nonsense.

Old enough to remember how many people were crippled by polio? 

 

 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, still kicking said:

She did not get any medication; her parents thought that just prying would help.

They were trying to pry the disease out of her? 

[Stiddle Mump]

Just now, still kicking said:

She did not get any medication; her parents thought that just prying would help.

No vaxxes from birth?

No medication?

What about her mum before she popped out?

 

these complaints don't just happen. 

[still kicking]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

They were trying to pry the disease out of her? 

Anti-vaxxers 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No vaxxes from birth?

No medication?

What about her mum before she popped out?

 

these complaints don't just happen. 

Are you old enough to remember how many people were crippled by polio? 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

There are many safe vaccines so far.

But conspiracy followers will deny.

And those Alu-hats should lift the brim of their hats and stop listening to their aliens.

 

[rumak]

Shout out to Heather B......... for passing these along

 

..

[Stiddle Mump]

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Old enough to remember how many people were crippled by polio? 

I can remember Polio alright. 

 

I spent a summer at Heathercombe Brake School** back in the day. Polio recoverees there in plenty. Once the authorities found out polio was caused by toxicity, cases took a nosedive.

 

Read Dr Suzanne Humphries for the facts on polio.

 

** A school for kids that were injured and needed a help to recover. A convalescent place. Run by volunteers who love nature and wanted to see sick kids recover.

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you old enough to remember how many people were crippled by polio? 

 

Source: https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/toxicology-vs-virology-the-rockefeller

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Mark Nothing said:

No.  The entire field of virology is false.  It should be disbanded and completely shut down.  And the dictionary should use it as a perfect example for the definition of quackery.

 

Interestingly if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located.  The creator of human beings has a definite blueprint on achieving health.  Most probably couldn't explain it.  Fewer still have fully implemented it.  But for those who desire health this is where to look.

 

 

You also a former pilot and chiropractor? Now expert on viral viruses? Sorry contagious diseases

 

 

[DezLez]

33 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Let's discuss Sir.

Why?

You never discuss anything.  All you do is post a whole lot of gibberish which has little or no foundation in peer reviewed factual papers as all you and red phoenix quote are from discredited or non qualified quacks or from inside your tin foil hats!

I have only just come across you and the red phoenix, (are you and the red phoenix one and the same people/bots?). 

I won't be bothering much with you or the red phoenix again except for when I want a look at an episode of the "Tin Foil Brigade Are Still Active" site!

[BeastOfBodmin]

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

In this very interesting contribution dr Kevin STILLWAGON explains why vaccines NEVER will be safe.

No matter the avenues that have been and are being followed there is no way to avoid their harmful effects.

It's literally a dead-end street.

Source: https://drkevinstillwagon.substack.com/p/will-there-ever-be-a-safe-vaccine

I think the word "safe" is being used here in a context I am not familiar with. If he's referring to safe in all humans, and no human of any age in any condition would never have an adverse reaction at all, then I suppose I agree.

 

Stillwagon points out (perhaps by splitting hairs) that no vaccine prevents infection, since even the vaccine prompts an immune response, and then of course the body is supposed to produce and store memories of antibodies to the vaccine. He also discusses adjuvants, preservatives and inflammation response as he describes how vaccines work. This has nothing to do with "safety" per se.

 

I immediately thought about smallpox. This one has a high kill rate. I'd much prefer to have a primed immune system in case I caught that nasty virus.

 

Perhaps the other chemicals in a vaccine vial need some attention.

[Airalee]

36 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

whoaaa !  what do you mean no success ??   Works just as intended .........

New and Improved!  Now with more Luciferase!

 

 

[rumak]

1 minute ago, Airalee said:

New and Improved!  Now with more Luciferase!

 

 

 

you're looking good Tony !    

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Why?

You never discuss anything.  All you do is post a whole lot of gibberish which has little or no foundation in peer reviewed factual papers as all you and red phoenix quote are from discredited or non qualified quacks or from inside your tin foil hats!

I have only just come across you and the red phoenix, (are you and the red phoenix one and the same people/bots?). 

I won't be bothering much with you or the red phoenix again except for when I want a look at an episode of the "Tin Foil Brigade Are Still Active" site!

Shush now Dezzi. There are enough cats running around. We don't want one 

 

',,,quote are from discredited or non qualified quacks,,' Who says they are such? You? Some 'factcheck' www, that is paid by Big Pharma. Like the WHO? Everything I post can be backed up.

 

Only have to look at nature to see the truth.

 

',,,,peer reviewed factual papers,,,' Strange you should say that Dezzi bud. Most of the papers you refer to are utter junk. And I'll tell you why. They start off by starting a car, to go on a journey, that has no wheels. Whether they noticed or not I don't know. Some do for sure. Other white-coats are just idiots.

 

If you were to open yer eyes and look at the beauty around you; birds, trees, clouds, cows, fish and, yes, humans, your heart would lift. Once you realise you have been fooled, you can have true peace.

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Do we even have an 'immune system'?

 

So now you are challenging the notion that human beings have an immune system?

 

Sounds ridiculous to me. 

 

[Jack100]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

You get your medical advice from the Bible?

 

What does it tell you to do when you have cancer?

Can I do my own hip operation ?

[simon43]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Voting age.

Old enough to drive a pick-up.

Old enough to see through white-coat nonsense.

old enough to have senile dementia.....

[still kicking]

2 minutes ago, Jack100 said:

Can I do my own hip operation ?

Only anti-vaxxers can

[save the frogs]

13 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

Interestingly if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located. 

 

You get your health advice from the Bible? what does it say? An apple a day keeps the doctor away?

 

Deep breathing and belief in the Creator will keep you healthy? DId protein shakes even exist in Biblical times? 

 

 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

You get your health advice from the Bible? what does it say? An apple a day keeps the doctor away?

 

Deep breathing and belief in the Creator will keep you healthy? DId protein shakes even exist in Biblical times? 

 

 

An apple, that was actually funny 

 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

57 minutes ago, rumak said:

Shout out to Heather B......... for passing these along

 

..

90 per cent of modern illnesses didn't exist hey. Care to expand on that. You really don't think vaccines have saved lives at all. 

[xylophone]

28 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Why?

You never discuss anything.  All you do is post a whole lot of gibberish which has little or no foundation in peer reviewed factual papers as all you and red phoenix quote are from discredited or non qualified quacks or from inside your tin foil hats!

I have only just come across you and the red phoenix, (are you and the red phoenix one and the same people/bots?). 

I won't be bothering much with you or the red phoenix again except for when I want a look at an episode of the "Tin Foil Brigade Are Still Active" site!

I have those two you have mentioned on "ignore" along with a few others who like to post conspiracy theory/anti-VAX theory nonsense, because it's not worth spending a moment trying to read their gibberish.

 

And the one which really stands out is the plonker who keeps posting that there is no such thing as a virus or a bacteria, and even if there were, none of them can be passed on from one human to another, going against everything that science and medicine has proven over the decades. Unbelievable.

 

There are some good posters on AN and a few other nutters apart from those in the categories mentioned above, and IMO the website has certainly gone downhill since the early days of ThaiVisa some 20 years ago.
 

[Stiddle Mump]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

An apple, that was actually funny 

 

It was the pair on the grass, not the apple, that led to our downfall.

[novanova]

2 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

No.  The entire field of virology is false.  It should be disbanded and completely shut down.  And the dictionary should use it as a perfect example for the definition of quackery.

 

Interestingly if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located.  The creator of human beings has a definite blueprint on achieving health.  Most probably couldn't explain it.  Fewer still have fully implemented it.  But for those who desire health this is where to look.

 

 

Smallpox

Polio

F.wit

[Stiddle Mump]

18 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

So now you are challenging the notion that human beings have an immune system?

 

Sounds ridiculous to me.

Yes! I'm more than challenging it; I'm putting forward a credible alternative.

 

We have a natural defence, maintenance system. It is on-going and protects us at all times. Well tries to. Even against the anti-human obstacles that get thrown at it. Chemicals, toxins, vaccines and most Big Pharma medicine.

 

The defence system adapts to keep us in good order. Why? To allow us to achieve our ultimate goal. Breeding.

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

It was the pair on the grass, not the apple, that led to our downfall.

Some still blaim the woman alone for all evil in the world! 

 

I just think most people are to stupid to understand what is best for them. 

 

Cant cure stupidity. How many more chiropractors and former whatever we have to get presented as those with the real truth and nothing else than the truth. 

 

Even historical evidences is not enough or history where humanity almost collapsed because of pandemics

[Stiddle Mump]

24 minutes ago, simon43 said:

old enough to have senile dementia.....

Dear me Simon. Thought better of you. Because you don't want to discuss, you revert to silly-billy one-liners.

 

Off to the joke section with you.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Some still blaim the woman alone for all evil in the world! 

 

I just think most people are to stupid to understand what is best for them. 

 

Cant cure stupidity. How many more chiropractors and former whatever we have to get presented as those with the real truth and nothing else than the truth. 

 

Even historical evidences is not enough or history where humanity almost collapsed because of pandemics

Well said.

 

Doctors are men (mostly) who prescribe medicines, of which they know little, to cure diseases, of which they know less, to human beings of whom they know nothing.

 

That just about sums it all up.