Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Did you have a butchers at her research Trans?

No, read the words in your highlighted post.........🤥

 

YOU are an anti-vax/pharma person, you think nobody should be vaxed for anything, or take medication, you are crackers.......🤕

Over last 150 years vaccines have saved Billions  of lives and stopped many terrible diseases ,,, but a few hundred thousand people have had some adverse reactions to vaccines and some have died , but overall vaccines  are 97% safe and a   massive  benefit to humanity   ....anyone who does not believe in vaccines is a fool  but it your choice .....As for god and bible  ,, the book is good for keeping you warm in winter or toilet paper  and gods  and imaginary friends may help you sleep better at night ......

Just now, liddelljohn said:

Over last 150 years vaccines have saved Billions  of lives and stopped many terrible diseases ,,, but a few hundred thousand people have had some adverse reactions to vaccines and some have died , but overall vaccines  are 97% safe and a   massive  benefit to humanity   ....anyone who does not believe in vaccines is a fool  but it your choice .....As for god and bible  ,, the book is good for keeping you warm in winter or toilet paper  and gods  and imaginary friends may help you sleep better at night ......

But, there are some fruitcakes on here, and out there, that want you/us, to believe otherwise.......🤗

4 minutes ago, transam said:

No, read the words in your highlighted post.........🤥

 

YOU are an anti-vax/pharma person, you think nobody should be vaxed for anything, or take medication, you are crackers.......🤕

Bang on the money there Trans bud. You certainly know how to debate.

 

''Anyone who tells you that vaccines are safe and effective are lying'' Dr Vernon Coleman.

 

The body has a wonderful ability to self-heal. I do not subscribe to the view that symptoms should be subdued. Because they are the cure in action. If the symptoms are subdued, lessened or eradicated, problems can occur in the future. More serious problems perhaps. better to let them run their course

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Bang on the money there Trans bud. You certainly know how to debate.

 

''Anyone who tells you that vaccines are safe and effective are lying'' Dr Vernon Coleman.

 

The body has a wonderful ability to self-heal. I do not subscribe to the view that symptoms should be subdued. Because they are the cure in action. If the symptoms are subdued, lessened or eradicated, problems can occur in the future. More serious problems perhaps. better to let them run their course

Hey, I know you have to reply because your club will not be impressed with you....😒

 

If it wasn't for big pharma I would be blind, or could your theory cure me....?  😂

 

I am sorry, but I must call you an idiot, a dangerous idiot with an agenda.......😬

 

 

13 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

Over last 150 years vaccines have saved Billions of lives and stopped many terrible diseases ,,, but a few hundred thousand people have had some adverse reactions to vaccines and some have died , but overall vaccines  are 97% safe and a   massive  benefit to humanity   ....anyone who does not believe in vaccines is a fool  but it your choice .....As for god and bible  ,, the book is good for keeping you warm in winter or toilet paper  and gods  and imaginary friends may help you sleep better at night ......

Saved Billions of lives eh?! You have not read my posts John? I have explained over and over that vaccines have not saved any lives. What you say are 'terrible diseases' are nothing of the sort.

 

You talk of 'imaginary friends', but you didn't mention the 'imaginary virus'.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Hey, I know you have to reply because your club will not be impressed with you....😒

 

If it wasn't for big pharma I would be blind, or could your theory cure me....?  😂

 

I am sorry, but I must call you an idiot, a dangerous idiot with an agenda.......😬

I obviously can't comment upon you past eye problem, but I do hear you on this. My wife had two operations at Moorfields (hospital in London) for keratoconus. Both were a success.

 

I'm not against urgent medical intervention; as in the case of my wife. But better to stop these problems getting a foothold. And this can be done. But it can't be done under the present Big Pharma system.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

I obviously can't comment upon you past eye problem, but I do hear you on this. My wife had two operations at Moorfields (hospital in London) for keratoconus. Both were a success.

 

I'm not against urgent medical intervention; as in the case of my wife. But better to stop these problems getting a foothold. And this can be done. But it can't be done under the present Big Pharma system.

You really are a fool................

1 minute ago, transam said:

You really are a fool................

Fool eh! Can you say why Trans bud? Instead of these gobblegook words.

 

Then we can debate, discuss and perhaps questions each other's views.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Fool eh! Can you say why Trans bud? Instead of these gobblegook words.

 

Then we can debate, discuss and perhaps questions each other's views.

Firstly, I am not your bud, I refrain from debating with you because you are crackers.

 

Your wife's eye success was because of big pharma, if it wasn't, like me, she may have been blind.

But you, on taking her to Moorfields, KNEW big pharma may have to be involved, did you intervene, noooooo, of course not, you are a hypocrite.

 

I wish I could tell your lady about you..........😱

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Firstly, I am not your bud, I refrain from debating with you because you are crackers.

 

Your wife's eye success was because of big pharma, if it wasn't, like me, she may have been blind.

But you, on taking her to Moorfields, KNEW big pharma may have to be involved, did you intervene, noooooo, of course not, you are a hypocrite.

 

I wish I could tell your lady about you..........😱

Well you can't Trans.

 

The body can self-heal. It also doesn't do things for nothing. We must listen to what our body is telling us. It needs certain things in order to both maintain good health and to protect us when bigger doses of toxins emerge. As they surely will and do.

 

I'm for understanding nature, and stopping problems before they get too big to handle. The way to do this is through an understanding of nature. We are part of nature and nature can cure us when we get sick. In my opinion, there are only a handful of true diseases. If any. But even with those, there is a reason for them to become diseases.

 

Everything that is in the body is in the earth itself. We are the earth. The earth gives us food and we are what we eat. I understand that it would be a massive change in thinking, but if we (humans) are to fulfill our true destiny, it has to happen sooner or later. Why not now?

 

Nature is not some concoction in a perti dish. Nature is not strings of numbers in a computer programme. Nature is not stuff in a syringe. Nature is us. We are nature.

Dropping into this website and skimming through a couple of threads...... was like waking up again to the same bad dream . " Rumak !  What the hell are you doing here ? "

 

Whew.   Damn good question !   With my "condition"   I definitely should know better:

 

5 minutes ago, rumak said:

Dropping into this website and skimming through a couple of threads...... was like waking up again to the same bad dream . " Rumak !  What the hell are you doing here ? "

 

Whew.   Damn good question !   With my "condition"   I definitely should know better:

 

Dropping by every now and then to have a little fun and entertainment 

9 minutes ago, khunJam said:

Dropping by every now and then to have a little fun and entertainment 

For many here it's fun for sure. Others just want to increase their post count. Try to get into the 100k club. Others want to hear a different point of view.

 

One or two like to debate.

On 6/18/2025 at 7:59 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

Please explain this:

 

Top Two MMR-Vaccinated States Lead in 2025 Measles Cases

 

https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/top-two-mmr-vaccinated-states-lead

It seems like rational thought isn't your forte.  The article you linked to also does a very careless analysis.  They try to make a point but their data analysis fails.  They would need to analyze the vaccination rates of the precise community where the outbreaks occured.  Using the state's average vaccination rate is seriously flawed.  Also missing is the timing of the surge in vaccinations compared to the timing of the outbreak.

 

Obviously, VigilantFox people aren't real journalists.... they're propagandists.  And you fell for it!

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

It seems like rational thought isn't your forte.  The article you linked to also does a very careless analysis.  They try to make a point but their data analysis fails.  They would need to analyze the vaccination rates of the precise community where the outbreaks occured.  Using the state's average vaccination rate is seriously flawed.  Also missing is the timing of the surge in vaccinations compared to the timing of the outbreak.

 

Obviously, VigilantFox people aren't real journalists.... they're propagandists.  And you fell for it!

 

Both points already addressed and you obviously haven't checked the sources.

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Both points already addressed and you obviously haven't checked the sources.

No such addressing of the concerns I raised in the VigilantFox propaganda.  And... they provide no additional references to check the 'sources' they used.  I have to call your reply a fabrication.

 

In fact... I see they do provide links to other sources but not in the typical fashion at the bottom of the article.  However... one of the links they give effectively shoots down their layman's opinion.  Here's the relevant quote from a source they claim to have used:

 

To prevent outbreaks from spreading within a community, there needs to be a vaccination rate of 95%, according to the CDC. Below that threshold, a community's herd immunity can begin to erode. In Gaines County, Texas, the epicenter of the outbreak in that state and where measles is still spreading, the kindergarten vaccination rate against measles is just under 82%. .... and....

In a population where no one is vaccinated, a single person sick with measles could go on to infect up to 18 others on average. By comparison, when 82% of a population is vaccinated, a sick person would infect about 2 to 3 other unvaccinated people on average.

 

Don't forget that the NPR article only states the average number of infections from  a single infected person.  Because the measles virus is extremely infectious, the average isn't a very helpful number due to random variance in human behaviour/relationships.

 

From: https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/05/09/nx-s1-5393762/measles-math-what-to-know-about-1-001-measles-cases-across-the-country

 

 

 

On 6/15/2025 at 11:20 AM, Mark Nothing said:

No.  The entire field of virology is false.  It should be disbanded and completely shut down.  And the dictionary should use it as a perfect example for the definition of quackery.

 

Interestingly if the objective is good health and being disease free, then the Holy Bible is where the answers are located.  The creator of human beings has a definite blueprint on achieving health.  Most probably couldn't explain it.  Fewer still have fully implemented it.  But for those who desire health this is where to look.

 

 

One could always follow your advice and read the bible which only deals in the truth???........

 

"A talking snake convinces a naked woman to eat some fruit, resulting in an invisible man in the sky getting so upset about it that he makes her feel pain in childbirth, curses the ground to grow weeds and makes everybody worship him on pain of being tortured for all eternity in a fire.

 

Later, a man hears voices in his head and tries to kill his own son. Then stops at the last minute only to be told by the voice in his head to mutilate his genitals and that of his children.

 

Later still a man is talking to a Bush which tells him to go to Egypt and free the slaves and take them to Canaan - a land that, historically, was under Egyptian jurisdiction at the time anyway. They have a party then the invisible man in the sky slaughters a few thousand of them because they made a gold statue and didn’t invite him.

 

Later still a talking donkey begs a man to stop hitting him.

 

Later a man who is his own father comes along, walks on water, cures people and even raises the dead, but nobody mentions it until 70 years after he dies and even then only by 4 people who want you to believe the story.

 

Then a senile old man who is exiled on an island surrounded with psychoactive flora writes a very trippy book about a seven-headed monster.

 

Not hard to understand why many people don't believe these "fairy stories" and as for those that do, "up to them"!!

 

 

 

On 6/18/2025 at 7:59 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

Please explain this:

 

Top Two MMR-Vaccinated States Lead in 2025 Measles Cases

 

https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/top-two-mmr-vaccinated-states-lead

Another problem with that article... based on shaky data:

 

The hazy data on vaccinations

 

Texas vaccine data typically comes with caveats because it is anything but complete.

Even Truveta’s vaccine data doesn’t reflect statewide totals since they only access medical records kept by five major health systems in Texas: AdvanetHealth in Central Texas; Baylor Scott & White in Central Texas and Dallas-Fort Worth area; Providence, which operates in El Paso Lubbock and Waco; and Memorial Hermann and CommonSpirit, both in Houston. Together, they represent 90 hospitals and associated ambulatory/outpatient clinics.

Most states automatically record every immunization given unless the patient decides to opt out of the reporting.

Of the 64 immunization registries operating in the United States, 43 have immunization records of all patients unless that patient specifically opts out.

But Texas is in the minority. Patients, or their parents, if they are a minor, have their vaccination data automatically excluded from the state’s immunization registry unless they specifically opt in.

So it’s not clear what percentage of Texans are included in the state’s immunization data.

 

From:https://www.texastribune.org/2025/05/22/texas-measles-babies-vaccine/

 

The count of oversights in the article is mounting.  So many now that it can no longer can be attributed to innocent errors.

17 hours ago, transam said:

Firstly, I am not your bud, I refrain from debating with you because you are crackers.

 

That's a good decision @transam and I feel exactly the same about that poster which is why I've put him on ignore, although I did wonder why you persevered for so long in trying to combat his madness.

Particularly his assertion that there is no such thing as a virus or a bacteria and that the body is able to deal with such things on its own, without help, despite following statistics that would prove him wrong: –

 

– The 1918 flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide.

– The bubonic plague killed an estimated 200 million people.

– Smallpox killed around 1 billion people, so it's lucky it was just about wiped out by vaccinations.

– Tuberculosis has been responsible for over 1 billion deaths, but again due to vaccinations it's only prevalent in a few poor countries worldwide.

– Malaria has killed an estimated 5 billion people.

–Before widespread vaccination, polio killed hundreds of thousands annually. Today, polio is largely eradicated, with only two countries remaining endemic for the wild poliovirus. 

 

So this really puts his "theory" to bed because the body was unable to fight off the diseases listed above, on its own, and vaccinations and antibiotics in some cases reduced the mortality rate markedly, in some cases down to almost zero.

 

As you can see he is not worth bothering with and I doubt if he will see this post because he won't want to.

17 minutes ago, xylophone said:

The 1918 flu pandemic killed around 50 million people worldwide.

– The bubonic plague killed an estimated 200 million people.

– Smallpox killed around 1 billion people, so it's lucky it was just about wiped out by vaccinations.

– Tuberculosis has been responsible for over 1 billion deaths, but again due to vaccinations it's only prevalent in a few poor countries worldwide.

– Malaria has killed an estimated 5 billion people.

–Before widespread vaccination, polio killed hundreds of thousands annually. Today, polio is largely eradicated, with only two countries remaining endemic for the wild poliovirus. 

I could answer all the above, but there is little point as you have put me on ignore.

 

Nature has the answers we seek buddy.

18 hours ago, transam said:

18 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Did you have a butchers at her research Trans?

No, read the words in your highlighted post.........🤥

 

YOU are an anti-vax/pharma person, you think nobody should be vaxed for anything, or take medication, you are crackers.......🤕

 

And Dr. Suzanne Humphries is a prominent figure in the anti‑vaccine movement

 

She is a former board-certified nephrologist and internist who worked in conventional hospital settings from 1989 until 2011. After leaving her hospital practice, she turned to researching vaccines, immunity, functional medicine, and medical history - and authored the book Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History Health Impact

 

 

Her Core Claims & Themes

Vaccines vs Sanitation & Toxins
She challenges the mainstream view that vaccines eradicated diseases like polio and smallpox, attributing these declines instead to improved sanitation and reduced environmental toxins (e.g. DDT, arsenic) 

 

Changing Diagnostics & Data Manipulation
Dr. Humphries argues that definitions for diseases like polio were altered - for instance, removing cases that resolved quickly - to exaggerate vaccine effectiveness and that current polio cases are often “vaccine-derived”.

 

Vaccine Ingredients & Health Impacts
She contends that vaccine components (e.g., aluminum, thimerosal) cause immune dysfunction, allergies, autoimmune disorders, and even organ damage like kidney injury.

 

Regulatory & Legal Critique
Humphries criticises vaccine manufacturers’ legal immunity after the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, claiming this reduced the incentive for rigorous safety testing.

 

Historical Reevaluation
She offers a revisionist history, asserting that illnesses like poliomyelitis are often due to environmental or toxic “terrain,” not viruses; she downplays the role of viral infections in disease .

 

 

 

Criticisms & Fact‑Checks

AFP/Fact‑checkers have debunked key assertions, emphasising that polio is viral (not toxin-caused), vaccines have prevented ~650,000 paralysis cases yearly, and declining polio rates correlate with immunisation efforts

 

Science Feedback finds no evidence vaccines deplete vitamin A or that vitamin C prevents tetanus in humans Science Feedback.

 

The pajiba critique labels her claims "crackpot," especially highlighting misinterpretations of polio history, SV40 fears, aluminium toxicity, and vaccine incentives.

 

Reddit discussions reflect polarised views - some note her transition from mainstream medicine to homeopathy:

.... "She was actually a nephrologist… now practices….homeopathy." 
.... "Written by Naturopath Suzanne Humphries, Uber‑quack."

 

 

Bottom Line

Dr. Humphries presents an alternative take on medical history and vaccines, positioning herself firmly in the anti‑vaccine movement. Her arguments rely heavily on interpretations of historical data, toxin theories, and critiques of vaccine policy. However, mainstream epidemiology, global health organisations, and multiple fact‑checking agencies strongly dispute her conclusions, citing robust scientific evidence for the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

 

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Like many who are highly educated and not delusional who present similar views, there is a strong element of validity in their arguments. The issue, of course, is that anti-vaccination movement will often conflate partial truth with a firmly biased mindset, using it to downplay or dismiss the importance and effectiveness of vaccines. By focusing selectively on an incomplete narrative, they obscure the broader, evidence-based reality - one in which vaccines play a critical and irreplaceable role in public health alongside other key factors such as sanitation, nutrition, and improved living standards.

 

Your quite (Stiddle) highlights this perfectly:

Dr Humphries makes the very strong claims that infectious diseases were conquered by improved sanitation, and better nutrition. Not, as is widely claimed, by vaccination programmes.

 

 

For example: While the statement above is partially correct - improved sanitation and better nutrition have indeed played a significant role in public health advancements - it presents only part of the picture. To suggest that these factors alone account for the dramatic decline in disease is highly misleading.

A genuinely accurate understanding requires a multi-faceted approach that recognises the combined impact of numerous developments: improved sanitation, enhanced living conditions, better farming practices, access to more nutritious food, better knowledge of the importance of exercise, and crucially, the availability of lifesaving vaccines.

Each of these elements has contributed to the remarkable improvements in health outcomes over the past century, and none should be considered in isolation or excluded.

 

 

And once again, I find myself dragged into your silliness - because, yet again, you choose to take partial truths and twist them into misinformation.

 

Yes, you're right in saying that nutrition and overall health play significant roles in supporting the body, but your argument becomes fundamentally flawed the moment you claim this is the only valid path to health. Your persistent dismissal of vaccines is as absurd as someone launching a crusade against antibiotics or surgical care. It's not just misguided - it's dangerously reductive.

 

20 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks Freddy.

 

You can join our world-wide group if you think it would help improve the heath of our children. The group is limited to 1 million. So hurry if you are interested.

 

 

You clearly don't get sarcasm. 

I'm not usually rude to people, but you are an idiot.  You are spreading dangerous opinions that have zero basis in fact.  

I suspect you are suffering from some form of mental breakdown in your old age, which might explain why you believe utter nonsense, but doesn't excuse you.

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, you're right in saying that nutrition and overall health play significant roles in supporting the body, but your argument becomes fundamentally flawed the moment you claim this is the only valid path to health. Your persistent dismissal of vaccines is as absurd as someone launching a crusade against antibiotics or surgical care. It's not just misguided - it's dangerously reductive.

I have never said that nutritious food is the ONLY path to good health. There is obviously more to good health than just eating great grub.

 

Are all the people who write books, produce films, do regular podcasts all wrong? I will add that I don't agree with Dr Humphries at all on infectious diseases.

 

There are two basic flaws with vaccines. Firstly that a virus exists. Secondly that we have an immune system. I don't subscribe to either view. And that, for me, makes vaccines totally unnecessary.

 

Get with nature, It is there for us to enjoy a great life.

18 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The body has a wonderful ability to self-heal. I do not subscribe to the view that symptoms should be subdued. Because they are the cure in action. If the symptoms are subdued, lessened or eradicated, problems can occur in the future. More serious problems perhaps. better to let them run their course

 

I want to take this comment and make it correct: 

 

The body has a wonderful ability to self-heal, to a certain extent. I do not subscribe to the view that symptoms should be subdued, because they are the cure in action. Which holds true for mild illnesses, but with serious infections, symptoms often signal that the body is struggling - not healing.

If the symptoms are subdued, lessened or eradicated, problems can occur in the future. More serious problems perhaps. But vaccines don't just suppress symptoms - they often help prevent the illness altogether, avoiding both the symptoms and their complications.

Better to let them run their course, only when it's safe to do so. With dangerous diseases, 'letting it run its course' can mean permanent harm or death - which vaccines are designed to prevent.

 

 

You see Stiddle - You present partial truths and selectively chosen facts, conflating them as though they represent the full picture. In doing so, you construct a dangerously incomplete narrative that ignores the complexity of modern healthcare. Your arguments are riddled with fundamental misunderstandings - or deliberate distortions - of medical science, and they overlook the proven role of evidence-based interventions, such as vaccines, in saving millions of lives. Simplifying such matters does a disservice not only to public health but to those genuinely seeking informed, balanced understanding.

 

 

Once again, I’ve broken my own rule by engaging with a fool - but someone has to challenge the nonsense you continue to peddle. I won’t accuse you of outright dishonesty, because I believe you genuinely believe in what you say. However, you are being intellectually dishonest in the way you deliberately omit key information to force your point. By presenting selective facts as though they tell the whole story, you mislead others and promote dangerously flawed conclusions.

 

Meanwhile, Rumak sticks to posting mindless memes lifted straight from anti-vaxx Facebook pages, while RedPhonix lazily regurgitates anti-vaccine propaganda copied wholesale from fringe websites - without even the effort to edit or present it coherently.

 

None of this is informed debate; it’s an exercise in intellectual sloth. What we’re seeing isn’t honest discourse but a flood of misinformation, aimed less at genuine discussion and more at overwhelming the conversation with noise. It’s a tactic of repetition, not reasoning - and it collapses the moment you apply even the slightest scrutiny.

 

24 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

 

You clearly don't get sarcasm. 

I'm not usually rude to people, but you are an idiot.  You are spreading dangerous opinions that have zero basis in fact.  

I suspect you are suffering from some form of mental breakdown in your old age, which might explain why you believe utter nonsense, but doesn't excuse you.

So you were pulling me leg Freddy? You were never interested in joining the group? Disappointed, I am, to say the least.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I have never said that nutritious food is the ONLY path to good health. There is obviously more to good health than just eating great grub.

 

Agreed, good exercise, great diet, a solid knowledge of nutrition, avoiding processed foods etc etc... 

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Are all the people who write books, produce films, do regular podcasts all wrong? I will add that I don't agree with Dr Humphries at all on infectious diseases.

 

Not all of them, of course - but many of the sources you quote to bolster your anti-vaxx stance either include important points that you conveniently ignore, or they themselves operate on the fringes, peddling misinformation that you then recycle to support your own narrative. In both cases, it’s a disingenuous approach: either by omission, or by relying on flawed sources that reflect your bias rather than challenge it.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are two basic flaws with vaccines. Firstly that a virus exists. Secondly that we have an immune system. I don't subscribe to either view. And that, for me, makes vaccines totally unnecessary.

 

Which ultimately renders any meaningful discussion between us completely moot. I can’t engage in serious debate with someone who denies the very foundation of reality - as absurd as claiming colour doesn’t exist and is merely a construct of the mind.

Likewise, although I keep falling foul of my own rule, I will not debate with someone whose opening position is that viruses aren’t real and that the human immune system doesn’t exist. At that point, we’re no longer talking about differing views - we’re operating in entirely separate universes of logic and reason.

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Get with nature, It is there for us to enjoy a great life.

 

I completely agree with a nature-based approach to health - and in many cases, it serves us well. But its effectiveness has limits and is fundamentally flawed as a sole approach. When the body encounters viruses and pathogens it cannot manage on its own, additional input and medical intervention become not just helpful, but essential, in many proven example to our very survival.

 

A balanced approach recognises the value of natural health practices while also embracing the critical role of science-based medicine in preventing, managing, and mitigating serious health threats.

 

Those who ignore the critical role of science-based medicine in preventing, managing, and mitigating serious health threats are, in my view, outright dangerous. They’re not simply sceptics - they’re (you're) renegades promoting a deeply misinformed and harmful narrative.

 

It’s akin to arguing that radiotherapy or chemotherapy should be avoided entirely because they carry risks. Yes, such treatments are extremely harsh, but they’re still far less dangerous than the cancer they’re designed to treat. They may not be perfect, and better options will emerge in time, but to reject them outright is reckless.

 

Likewise, dismissing vaccines because of extremely rare adverse effects is profoundly flawed. The key difference, of course, is that vaccines are inherently safe for the overwhelming majority - with serious side effects occurring in only a exceptionally rare subset of the population. To conflate rare risks with widespread danger is not just misleading - it’s highly irresponsible.

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Meanwhile, Rumak sticks to posting mindless memes lifted straight from anti-vaxx Facebook pages, while RedPhonix lazily regurgitates anti-vaccine propaganda copied wholesale from fringe websites - without even the effort to edit or present it coherently.

We - as in me, Rumak, Red Phoenix and others - have a different view on modern medicine than you. Why not debate with them instead of simply attempting to rubbish anything we post?

 

I'm speaking for myself here not others.

 

The words; isolation and purification. I know what they mean. You know what they mean. Virtually everyone knows what they mean. However virologists - starting with Dr Enders in 1954 - have confused the word isolation with 'petri dish soup'. You see Richard Bud, virology is build on the fraudulent 'non-isolation' of viruses. They - the virologists - have never found a pathogenic virus. So why do they continually say they do? Because, if they were to come clean, and admit say they have never isolated a virus, the whole Big Pharms system could collapse. Viruses are one of the major weapons to keep us in fear; and get us to roll up our sleeves.

 

Big dosh in vaccines.

 

Get with nature Richard. Get with truth. You'll not regret it.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

We - as in me, Rumak, Red Phoenix and others - have a different view on modern medicine than you. Why not debate with them instead of simply attempting to rubbish anything we post?

 

I'm speaking for myself here not others.

 

The words; isolation and purification. I know what they mean. You know what they mean. Virtually everyone knows what they mean. However virologists - starting with Dr Enders in 1954 - have confused the word isolation with 'petri dish soup'. You see Richard Bud, virology is build on the fraudulent 'non-isolation' of viruses. They - the virologists - have never found a pathogenic virus. So why do they continually say they do? Because, if they were to come clean, and admit say they have never isolated a virus, the whole Big Pharms system could collapse. Viruses are one of the major weapons to keep us in fear; and get us to roll up our sleeves.

 

Big dosh in vaccines.

 

Get with nature Richard. Get with truth. You'll not regret it.

Big Dosh in Vaccines", that is all you are thinking about, a business that makes money, as all businesses do..Silly boy.......

 

Now, lets ask you a question...

 

1. If you were on your deathbed, and were told they had a vax that could save your life, would you refuse it....?

2. Are you a Jehovah Witness or similar..........?  🤗

 

. 

 

If you are on your deathbed and the hospital 

12 minutes ago, transam said:

1. If you were on your deathbed, and were told they had a vax that could save your life, would you refuse it....?

 

There is no "vaccine" that can save you on your deathbed !!!