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2 hours ago, Social Media said:

With multiple global powers now directly involved and diplomatic channels hanging by a thread, the prospect of a broader regional conflict looms ever closer.

I haven't seen any other middle east country coming out in support of Iran. Maybe I missed it. I have , however, seen different nations supplying airtankers including the UK, France and Hungary and they're flying out of Germany. The US has a couple of dozen airtankers in the region with more on the way. One carrier strike force in the Arabian Sea with the Nimitz on the way to join it and they'll probably move up into the Persian Gulf. Not long IMO before the B2's go in with the 30,000 lb. bunker busters.

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14 minutes ago, novacova said:

Iran surrender? Unconditionally? Never going to happen. They’ll sacrifice their citizens as human shields to their own demise of a heap of rubble before that ever happens.

I actually agree with you on this one,nothing unifies a nation more quickly that being attacked.trump can say what he pleases I don’t think it will help.

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34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not that simple in this case. There is massive opposition to the Iranian regime. It could indeed topple, Syrian style. 

Not simple by any means. Toppling the regime would be a horrendous task and a messy civil conflict that most likely would not end well in a dystopian state of anarchy. The cleanest method with the least amount of casualties would be that the West to clean out the regime and help structure a clean and free election for a new government. 

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48 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's not that simple in this case. There is massive opposition to the Iranian regime. It could indeed topple, Syrian style. 

I sincerely hope so that would be great

4 minutes ago, novacova said:

Not simple by any means. Toppling the regime would be a horrendous task and a messy civil conflict that most likely would not end well in a dystopian state of anarchy. The cleanest method with the least amount of casualties would be that the West to clean out the regime and help structure a clean and free election for a new government. 

To be perfectly honest with you I think that’s exactly what bush jr had in mind for Iraq unfortunately it didn’t pan out it would be great if it did tho hope it’s over quickly.

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13 minutes ago, novacova said:

Not simple by any means. Toppling the regime would be a horrendous task and a messy civil conflict that most likely would not end well in a dystopian state of anarchy. The cleanest method with the least amount of casualties would be that thIe West to clean out the regime and help structure a clean and free election for a new government. 

It's delicate. A regime toppled from the outside rarely works out well. But, IF the coditions for the people to do it themselves are created, then positive results may occur.  That is why the old Assahola himself hasn't been taken out yet.  Killing the leader, even an unpopular one, can have unintended consequences.  

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7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

It's delicate. A regime toppled from the outside rarely works out well. But, IF the coditions for the people to do it themselves are created, then positive results may occur.  That is why the old Assahola himself hasn't been taken out yet.  Killing the leader, even an unpopular one, can have unintended consequences.  

Sure thing that toppling regimes from outside rarely works and recent events have shown us that. Though the IRGC has a tremendous amount of military power, the civilian population have nothing and would take an immense amount military hardware from the outside with challenging logistics and a massive IRGC fraction and would result in possibly one of the worst civil conflicts in recent history. War sucks, civil wars are worse due to the lack of wherewithal of trust. The cleanest method is probably for the West to knock out the regime and step out of the way afterwards.

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

It's not that simple in this case. There is massive opposition to the Iranian regime. It could indeed topple, Syrian style. 

we can only hope that does happen, time for religion to take a back seat and allow the people to live a decent life

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2 hours ago, novacova said:

Iran surrender? Unconditionally? Never going to happen. They’ll sacrifice their citizens as human shields to their own demise of a heap of rubble before that ever happens.

Tell me you have never been to Iran without telling me you have never been to Iran.

 

Internet Generals.   Listen to me, I have a keyboard!!!!!  Nuclear war will happen if their underground bunker is compromised in Tehran.  If any key admin. building is bombed, human shields will be formed!!!!  Biological warfare will happen if this goes on for 23 days , 19 minutes.  29 billion usd has been stolen, 8234 billion is being stolen right now.  3943 generals told me they will surrender.  239874324 soldiers told me they will stop fighting.  928674324 people told me they are not in favor of the regime.  982374234 soldiers told me this is WW3.  90283743289432 humans told me this will destroy Earth.  

 

I expect humans to pile up to the moon!!!!  If they fight on a full moon, 920836347328947234 people will attack McD's.  I know.

 

Let me tell you I know nothing without telling you I know nothing.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

I haven't seen any other middle east country coming out in support of Iran. Maybe I missed it. I have , however, seen different nations supplying airtankers including the UK, France and Hungary and they're flying out of Germany. The US has a couple of dozen airtankers in the region with more on the way. One carrier strike force in the Arabian Sea with the Nimitz on the way to join it and they'll probably move up into the Persian Gulf. Not long IMO before the B2's go in with the 30,000 lb. bunker busters.

that's the joke. Iran does the dirty work of Islamists funding wars wherever they find allies in the middle east. but they don't even know why they do it and no one appreciates them anyway

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29 minutes ago, CanadaSam said:

I object to Trump making this statement, this is a war being fought primarily between Israel and Iran.

 

He has nothing to do with it, and did basically nothing to either prevent or provoke it.

 

Just wants to be in the limelight, yet again.

Eventually the world will know if and how involved the U.S has been in this conflict.

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1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Is this another WMD US adventurism to find no nuclear weapons in Iran and years away to making any. 

Nuclear weapons?  Hopefully not yet.  But why the highly enriched uranium?  Not necessary for nuclear power plants as Iran claims.

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IF the press are to be believed, this was a unilateral decision by Israel to start this "war".

 

Now that it's begun, not much hope for it to stop until it's (destructive) conclusion.

 

I support it, because I despise so-called "islamic" terrorism.

 

My point being, not much help has been provided by Trump or any other nation, or at least not reported (yet).

 

But support should be forthcoming, and quickly, and hopefully put all those "rabid" islamists 6 feet under, asap.

 

Hopefully with minimal civilian innocent lives, but in war, you know what happens.

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I believe Donald Trump is playing "I dare you to Iran".  

 

1. Increase US Military personnel in the GCC (Gulf Cooperation Coouncil) countries. Currently the US military has growing number of personnel in Kuwati, Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. i don't think Iranian leaders would attack US bases in these countries because attacking them would be attacking the host nation as well.  I don't think Iran wants conflict with any of these countries.  I have been to  US bases in Kuwait (Camp Arifijian which located next to the largest oil refinery I have ever seen and Camp Buehring which is located in the Udari desert and near the Iraqi border. There were and now probably more soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen there now.

 

2. Dare Iran to attack any of the growing number of US Naval vessels in the Arabian peninsula. But then Iran would  get a barrage F-18 and F-35 sorties day and night. 

 

When an AO gets this crowded something is bound to happen eventually.  I hope not because this is Israel's war just like the way Donald Trump keeps saying Ukraine and Russia is not our battle. 

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Please discuss the topic, it is not about how Israel got nuclear weapons or its Iron Dome which is working as designed.

 

 

Trump Demands Iran’s "Unconditional Surrender" as Tensions Escalate Across Middle East

 

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Live Updates: Trump Says ‘Nobody Knows’ His Plans on Iran

President Trump said he “may” or “may not” order U.S. forces to attack Iran’s nuclear sites. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, rejected his call for “unconditional surrender.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/18/world/israel-iran-trump

 

Trump may be playing "Chicken" with Iran for the highest stakes possible.  Who will swerve first, Trump or Khamenei?  It all hangs on how badly Khamenei wants he and his people to become martyrs.  Religion, rather than rationality, has been a huge factor in Iranian governmental decisions since the 1979 revolution brought Ruhollah Khomeini to power. It's why Khamenei may not back down.

 

Trump and Netanyahu may also be betting heavily on an overthrow of the Islamist regime by the Iranian armed forces and ordinary people, but they could be disappointed.  While there is a lot of opposition within Iran, it isn't well organized and lacks the means and strategy to bring down the current rulers.

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9 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Live Updates: Trump Says ‘Nobody Knows’ His Plans on Iran

President Trump said he “may” or “may not” order U.S. forces to attack Iran’s nuclear sites. Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, rejected his call for “unconditional surrender.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/18/world/israel-iran-trump

 

Trump may be playing "Chicken" with Iran for the highest stakes possible.  Who will swerve first, Trump or Khamenei?  It all hangs on how badly Khamenei wants he and his people to become martyrs.  Religion, rather than rationality, has been a huge factor in Iranian governmental decisions since the 1979 revolution brought Ruhollah Khomeini to power. It's why Khamenei may not back down.

 

Trump and Netanyahu may also be betting heavily on an overthrow of the Islamist regime by the Iranian armed forces and ordinary people, but they could be disappointed.  While there is a lot of opposition within Iran, it isn't well organized and lacks the means and strategy to bring down the current rulers.

The final attack plans are approved by Trump. Now its a wait and see........

 

Trump privately approved attack plans for Iran pending final order, WSJ reports

WASHINGTON, June 18 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump told senior aides late Tuesday that he approved attack plans for Iran but has withheld a final order to see if Tehran would abandon its nuclear program, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing three people familiar with the deliberations.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-privately-approved-attack-plans-iran-pending-final-order-wsj-reports-2025-06-18/

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