July 7, 2025Jul 7 1 hour ago, black tabby12345 said: China is far ahead of most countries in the field of drones. They have even launched and successfully retrieved unmanned space vehicle to and from the moon. Even the Hi-Tech giant like Japan, cannot match them. When they use it in actual war, most likely to come in huge mass(saturation attack) beyond adversary's interception capacity. OMG, seems a Chinese propaganda bit has entered the forum. Anyway, I put Ukraine ahead with mitary drones, and their use..
July 7, 2025Jul 7 10 hours ago, Patong2021 said: In contrast Israeli UAV loiter models offer an accuracy of within 1 meter, and options that can carry payloads of 16-40kg. It has a maximum speed of 425 km/h and range of 1000km, with an inflight minimum endurance of 9+ hours. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia, and the Netherlands as well as other countries went with the Israeli models. The Thai drones look like knockoffs of the Israeli drones previously sold to Thailand. Would you trust an Israeli drone after the pager episode in Lebanon.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 10 hours ago, Patong2021 said: Is this actually serious? This is nothing new. Last November, the RTAF announced this and was trying to sell it at the. trade show in Bangkok :Kamikaze bomber KB-10G and KB-5E developed by NKRTAFA - The Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) has launched the KB (Kamikaze Bomber) family of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) developed in Thailand for the first time at the Dronetech Asia 2024 unmanned aerial vehicle exhibition at Challenger Hall 12, Impact Muang Thong Thani, Bangkok, Thailand, from 25-27 November 2024. KB family of suicide drones developed by Navaminda Kasatriyadhiraj Royal Thai Air Force Academy (NKRTAFA), Research and Development Center for Space and Aeronautical Science and Technology, and the Directorate of Armament. Describing this drone, which is classified as a loitering delivery system as"engineered to deliver high-impact explosive payloads with pinpoint accuracy (and offering that) the drone has demonstrated an impressive targeting deviation of less than five metres during field trials." is questionable. In the world of loitering air munitions, 5 meters is not accurate. Nor is the Thai payload of 5-10Kg significant. The KB-5E suicide drone is equipped with a 5kg warhead, has a destruction radius of 280m, an orbital flight speed of 90km/h, a dive speed of 180km/h, and a range of 150km. A larger version of the KB-10G suicide drone uses a gasoline piston engine and is launched via a rail launcher or rocket launcher. KB-10G has a system weight of 40kg, a wingspan of 1.7m, equipped with a 10kg warhead, a destruction radius of 350m, a flight speed of 120km/h, and a dive speed of 220km/h, and a range of 500km. In contrast Israeli UAV loiter models offer an accuracy of within 1 meter, and options that can carry payloads of 16-40kg. It has a maximum speed of 425 km/h and range of 1000km, with an inflight minimum endurance of 9+ hours. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia, and the Netherlands as well as other countries went with the Israeli models. The Thai drones look like knockoffs of the Israeli drones previously sold to Thailand. Why good? Israel, and NATO militaries attach legal officers to drone units to supervise targets to minimize non combatant collateral damage/injury. Do you think Thailand does that? The vetting becomes even more necessary when the detonation target area is large like the Thai UAV's. How do you know that the UAV was designed in Thailand and is not actually a copy of someone else's UAV model? Yes, Thailand will produce some UAVs, but have you done a cost comparison to foreign sourced models? If the Thai versions are slow and easily stopped, or if they are inaccurate, what benefit will it bring? If the intent is to drop payloads willy nilly without much concern for actual accuracy or collateral damage, then yes this option might be more cost effective if used for purposes such as bombing Cambodian villages. Because Thailand is not then reliant on out of country and good true reliable allies are not easy to find or worth the trouble of keeping nowadays.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 22 minutes ago, Aussie999 said: OMG, seems a Chinese propaganda bit has entered the forum. Anyway, I put Ukraine ahead with mitary drones, and their use.. Sounds like any propaganda? Simply talking about the fact though. Who is now the biggest drone maker and the exporter in the world? Unfortunately, it is China. No more than that. No less than that. Whether you like or dislike that one-party dictatorial state, better separate fact from the emotion.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 Cool and timely gadget. Why timely? As they can test it in actual combat right now. HVT(high value target), please. Not on the house of the poor family.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 3 hours ago, Hardcastle P said: It's designed to bomb the enemy how is it a defence drone Attack is the best form of defence!
July 7, 2025Jul 7 3 hours ago, black tabby12345 said: China is far ahead of most countries in the field of drones. So true. I want one of those tiny fly-sized drones they just unveiled. Did you see that? Amazing.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 Royal Thai Air Force Unveils Locally-Made Kamikaze Drone Just for the optics, I'd suggest they refer to them as "single use drones." I think the term "kamikaze" still has the stigma of desperation.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 On 7/6/2025 at 2:48 AM, impulse said: Looking at that propeller sticking out the back, I can't help but wonder how big the rubber band is? Or the key to wind it up.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 10 minutes ago, Cameroni said: So true. I want one of those tiny fly-sized drones they just unveiled. Did you see that? Amazing. Something even smaller than this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmEZAl4sxc&pp=ygUmZXllIGluIHRoZSBza3kgYnVnIHNoYW9lZCAgZHJvbmUgc2NlbmU%3D 0:43
July 7, 2025Jul 7 This is an offensive weapon. Is this bound for the Cambodian border? Just wondering. Maybe the Ukranians would be interested and Thailand can start a defense industry?
July 7, 2025Jul 7 8 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said: Something even smaller than this? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zWmEZAl4sxc&pp=ygUmZXllIGluIHRoZSBza3kgYnVnIHNoYW9lZCAgZHJvbmUgc2NlbmU%3D 0:43 That's the size of the Chinese one they just unveiled. How brilliant is that? You can do surveillance and nobody would notice. Surely it'll be commercially available shortly. And prices should be moderate.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 3 minutes ago, Cameroni said: That's the size of the Chinese one they just unveiled. How brilliant is that? You can do surveillance and nobody would notice. Surely it'll be commercially available shortly. And prices should be moderate. Literary "eye in the sky". Handy, but can be quite controversial at the same time. As it will be too easy to violate other people's privacy unnoticed.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 12 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said: Handy, but can be quite controversial at the same time. As it will be too easy to violate other people's privacy unnoticed. True, you better buy one before regulations catch up.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 Oh cool, no more need for black vans to pull up and pickup political dissidents and disappear them, now than can just reach out and touch them from afar.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 19 minutes ago, Cameroni said: True, you better buy one before regulations catch up. Even now,perverts are making headlines for sneak footage of female toilet/change room. To such social vermin, a micro reconnaissance drone makes a dream tool to fulfill own sick desire.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 On 7/6/2025 at 5:15 AM, Georgealbert said: Picture courtesy of Amarin. In a significant step forward for Thailand’s defence capabilities, the Royal Thai Air Force has officially unveiled a homegrown “Kamikaze UAV”, a suicide drone designed for precision strike missions. The announcement was made on 5 July 2025, with military officials hailing the development as a major achievement in indigenous defence technology. The Kamikaze UAV, also referred to as a “suicide drone”, is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) engineered to deliver high-impact explosive payloads with pinpoint accuracy. The drone is capable of mid-range assaults and has demonstrated an impressive targeting deviation of less than five metres during field trials. This cutting-edge project is the result of close collaboration between the Navaminda Kasatriyadhiraj Royal Air Force Academy, the Directorate of Aeronautical Engineering, and the Royal Thai Air Force’s Aviation and Space Research and Development Centre (AVSREC). The UAV is equipped with a high-powered warhead and has already passed rigorous testing, successfully neutralising designated targets in controlled conditions. Military officials stated that the Kamikaze UAV marks a pivotal step toward the mass production and deployment of Thai-made smart weaponry, enhancing the nation’s ability to defend its sovereignty with advanced military technology. “This achievement not only demonstrates our technological potential but reinforces the importance of self-reliance in national defence,” a senior air force official said. The unveiling of the drone aligns with the Royal Thai Air Force’s broader modernisation strategy, aimed at reducing dependence on foreign suppliers and fostering homegrown innovation in defence systems. As one senior figure put it, “National security cannot be bought with money, it must be built by our own hands.” The new UAV is expected to enter active service in the near future, significantly bolstering Thailand’s aerial strike capabilities while setting a benchmark for future domestic defence developments. Adapted by Asean Now from Amarin 2025-07-06 "pinpoint accuracy." within 5 metres?!
July 7, 2025Jul 7 3 hours ago, black tabby12345 said: Sounds like any propaganda? Simply talking about the fact though. Who is now the biggest drone maker and the exporter in the world? Unfortunately, it is China. No more than that. No less than that. Whether you like or dislike that one-party dictatorial state, better separate fact from the emotion. This story isn't about the biggest manufacturer.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 15 hours ago, Patong2021 said: Is this actually serious? This is nothing new. Last November, the RTAF announced this and was trying to sell it at the. trade show in Bangkok :Kamikaze bomber KB-10G and KB-5E developed by NKRTAFA - The Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF) has launched the KB (Kamikaze Bomber) family of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) developed in Thailand for the first time at the Dronetech Asia 2024 unmanned aerial vehicle exhibition at Challenger Hall 12, Impact Muang Thong Thani, Bangkok, Thailand, from 25-27 November 2024. KB family of suicide drones developed by Navaminda Kasatriyadhiraj Royal Thai Air Force Academy (NKRTAFA), Research and Development Center for Space and Aeronautical Science and Technology, and the Directorate of Armament. Describing this drone, which is classified as a loitering delivery system as"engineered to deliver high-impact explosive payloads with pinpoint accuracy (and offering that) the drone has demonstrated an impressive targeting deviation of less than five metres during field trials." is questionable. In the world of loitering air munitions, 5 meters is not accurate. Nor is the Thai payload of 5-10Kg significant. The KB-5E suicide drone is equipped with a 5kg warhead, has a destruction radius of 280m, an orbital flight speed of 90km/h, a dive speed of 180km/h, and a range of 150km. A larger version of the KB-10G suicide drone uses a gasoline piston engine and is launched via a rail launcher or rocket launcher. KB-10G has a system weight of 40kg, a wingspan of 1.7m, equipped with a 10kg warhead, a destruction radius of 350m, a flight speed of 120km/h, and a dive speed of 220km/h, and a range of 500km. In contrast Israeli UAV loiter models offer an accuracy of within 1 meter, and options that can carry payloads of 16-40kg. It has a maximum speed of 425 km/h and range of 1000km, with an inflight minimum endurance of 9+ hours. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia, and the Netherlands as well as other countries went with the Israeli models. The Thai drones look like knockoffs of the Israeli drones previously sold to Thailand. Why good? Israel, and NATO militaries attach legal officers to drone units to supervise targets to minimize non combatant collateral damage/injury. Do you think Thailand does that? The vetting becomes even more necessary when the detonation target area is large like the Thai UAV's. How do you know that the UAV was designed in Thailand and is not actually a copy of someone else's UAV model? Yes, Thailand will produce some UAVs, but have you done a cost comparison to foreign sourced models? If the Thai versions are slow and easily stopped, or if they are inaccurate, what benefit will it bring? If the intent is to drop payloads willy nilly without much concern for actual accuracy or collateral damage, then yes this option might be more cost effective if used for purposes such as bombing Cambodian villages. NATO is an organisation which covers Western Europe and has nothing to do wit Thailand or Asia. AFAIK the weapon has not been deployed in action yet, so I have no idea what you are rambling on about.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 36 minutes ago, billd766 said: NATO is an organisation which covers Western Europe and has nothing to do wit Thailand or Asia. AFAIK the weapon has not been deployed in action yet, so I have no idea what you are rambling on about. You are praising a loitering UAV that is reportedly not particularly high tech or equipped to evade current defensive measures. It i does not have accuracy and will result in a wider spread of collateral damage. Considering where it is likely to be used, you may not care much for Cambodian villagers. 5 hours ago, GreasyFingers said: Would you trust an Israeli drone after the pager episode in Lebanon. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia and India have confidence. The UK and Brazil did too. The drones served Azerbaijan quite nicely when deployed against the Russian equipped and backed Armenians. Morocco has used them effectively against Saharan insurgents. Both muslim countries. The Israeli pagers operation was intended to cripple Hezbollah commanders and were not sold as military equipment. Unlike the drones purchased for a specified declared use, the pagers were actually imported for military use, contrary to sanctions applied to Hezbollah, so one is not in a position to complain. 5 hours ago, black tabby12345 said: Sounds like any propaganda? Simply talking about the fact though. Who is now the biggest drone maker and the exporter in the world? Unfortunately, it is China. No more than that. No less than that. Whether you like or dislike that one-party dictatorial state, better separate fact from the emotion. Quantity does not equate to quality. Churning out products that may or not perform is not indicative of value. 3 hours ago, sqwakvfr said: This is an offensive weapon. Is this bound for the Cambodian border? Just wondering. Maybe the Ukranians would be interested and Thailand can start a defense industry? The Ukrainians are self sufficient for most of their combat drones. They built 2 million + in 2024 and have a production goal of 4.5 million for 2025. Their advanced drones are sourced from Turkey and Canada,. Previously, some were obtained from the USA.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said: 6 hours ago, GreasyFingers said: Would you trust an Israeli drone after the pager episode in Lebanon. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia and India have confidence. The UK and Brazil did too. The drones served Azerbaijan quite nicely when deployed against the Russian equipped and backed Armenians. Morocco has used them effectively against Saharan insurgents. Both muslim countries. The Israeli pagers operation was intended to cripple Hezbollah commanders and were not sold as military equipment. Unlike the drones purchased for a specified declared use, the pagers were actually imported for military use, contrary to sanctions applied to Hezbollah, so one is not in a position to complain. You are pathetic. It was a joke, Joyce (if you know Oz TV)
July 7, 2025Jul 7 1 hour ago, Patong2021 said: You are praising a loitering UAV that is reportedly not particularly high tech or equipped to evade current defensive measures. It i does not have accuracy and will result in a wider spread of collateral damage. Considering where it is likely to be used, you may not care much for Cambodian villagers. Azerbaijan, Morocco, Estonia and India have confidence. The UK and Brazil did too. The drones served Azerbaijan quite nicely when deployed against the Russian equipped and backed Armenians. Morocco has used them effectively against Saharan insurgents. Both muslim countries. The Israeli pagers operation was intended to cripple Hezbollah commanders and were not sold as military equipment. Unlike the drones purchased for a specified declared use, the pagers were actually imported for military use, contrary to sanctions applied to Hezbollah, so one is not in a position to complain. Quantity does not equate to quality. Churning out products that may or not perform is not indicative of value. The Ukrainians are self sufficient for most of their combat drones. They built 2 million + in 2024 and have a production goal of 4.5 million for 2025. Their advanced drones are sourced from Turkey and Canada,. Previously, some were obtained from the USA. And you are condemning it without even knowing if it works or where it will be used used. Designing, developing and refining a weapon does not happen overnight. Are you suggesting that Thailand does nothing until it declares a war, and then start from scratch to design, develop and refine a weapon? 'if you want peace, prepare for war' The phrase 'if you want peace, prepare for war' was first written by Roman general Vegetius. Vegetius believed a strong army during peace prevents vulnerability and encourages deterrence against invaders. The idea of 'peace through strength' has been adapted through history, influencing various military strategies. There is more if you want to search for it.
July 7, 2025Jul 7 34 minutes ago, billd766 said: And you are condemning it without even knowing if it works or where it will be used used. Designing, developing and refining a weapon does not happen overnight. Are you suggesting that Thailand does nothing until it declares a war, and then start from scratch to design, develop and refine a weapon? 'if you want peace, prepare for war' The phrase 'if you want peace, prepare for war' was first written by Roman general Vegetius. Vegetius believed a strong army during peace prevents vulnerability and encourages deterrence against invaders. The idea of 'peace through strength' has been adapted through history, influencing various military strategies. There is more if you want to search for it. Think you have hit the nail on its head IF IT WORKS as far as design no, Abraham Karem widely considered the "founding father of UAV technology Thailand may have refined the design and need to develop the technology they certainly need to improve the accuracy 5 mtrs is not pin point by any means, Technology is NOT Thailand's strong point
July 7, 2025Jul 7 3 hours ago, billd766 said: And you are condemning it without even knowing if it works or where it will be used used. Designing, developing and refining a weapon does not happen overnight. Are you suggesting that Thailand does nothing until it declares a war, and then start from scratch to design, develop and refine a weapon? 'if you want peace, prepare for war' The phrase 'if you want peace, prepare for war' was first written by Roman general Vegetius. Vegetius believed a strong army during peace prevents vulnerability and encourages deterrence against invaders. The idea of 'peace through strength' has been adapted through history, influencing various military strategies. There is more if you want to search for it. You are so intent on offering a sanctimonious diatribe, that you ignored the information I provided. The range, the payload, the speed, the overflow target point and overall concept do not support the claim of the device having been engineered to deliver high-impact explosive payloads with pinpoint accuracy and that the drone has demonstrated an impressive targeting deviation ." This is not a state of the art device and serves only as a broad form of ordinance delivery, not much different than the random artillery barrages the Thai military currently favours. The downside is that the likelihood of collateral damage is far more likely than if precision targeting is used. You throw out a copy and paste something you perhaps read in a magazine that attributes strategy to Vegetius, but rather than it demonstrate actual knowledge, reveals you to be ignorant of military strategy and bereft of common sense. Vegetius' musings have no relevance in 2025. Thailand is facing medieveal era opponents and is not faced with siege warfare, in large part because there are no castles or cities with walls to breach in the region. Perhaps if you had read Plato's Laws upon which Vegetius derived and bastardized to come up with his musings, you would understand that Plato's actual goal was peace and not preparing for war. Start here; https://classics.mit.edu/Plato/laws.1.i.html And even if you want to bring back medieval military strategies, they are impractical in an era of ballistic missiles.
July 8, 2025Jul 8 16 hours ago, Patong2021 said: Quantity does not equate to quality. Churning out products that may or not perform is not indicative of value. Depends on the case. In the event of limited scale conflict, the quality will win. But different story in other cases. Why? Because of the deception method. That trick was nothing new; known even from the time of Cold War era. Even the aegis raders cannot tell the dummy rounds from the "real". When adversary launches the mass of missiles(or drones), numbers of decoys can be just as many as the live rounds. That is how the Saturation Attack really works; supermacy of the precision weapons can be wasted/neutralized this way. Great accuracy, wonderful. But it isn't always almighty. Just like nothing us perfect...
July 8, 2025Jul 8 7 hours ago, black tabby12345 said: Depends on the case. In the event of limited scale conflict, the quality will win. But different story in other cases. Why? Because of the deception method. That trick was nothing new; known even from the time of Cold War era. Even the aegis raders cannot tell the dummy rounds from the "real". When adversary launches the mass of missiles(or drones), numbers of decoys can be just as many as the live rounds. That is how the Saturation Attack really works; supermacy of the precision weapons can be wasted/neutralized this way. Great accuracy, wonderful. But it isn't always almighty. Just like nothing us perfect... Not really. The Israeli anti missile/rocket systems are "smart" they assess the potential type of ordinance, and they determine probable target. if the munition is going to land in a field, it i is ignored. If it meets. the parameters of a lethal ordinance, then it is responded to. The Ukrainians are becoming masters of drone technology, often using basic Chinese components. It's more about the. capabilities of the drone operators and the ability of the drones to evade defensive measures.
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