Obtaining Kor Ror 22, is a trip to MOFA in Bangkok required?

[soihok]

Hi.

 

Non Imm O visa based on marriage, question on gaining an extension.

 

Trying to get to the bottom of it after a visit to the Amphur Mueang office in Korat today, to obtain Kor Ror 22.

Married my wife in Singapore (over 20 years ago). 

 

Have.....

- Singapore marriage certificate and translation from English to Thai endorsed by notary public and the Royal Thai Embassy Singapore.

- I produced these in Korat today, was told that I require to gain endorsement by Ministry of Foreign Affairs at Laksi in Bangkok before can obtain Kor Ror 22.

Question = Is this correct? I need to go to Laksi MOFA to get another endorsement?

 

Tomorrow I am visiting a different Amphur office to try again.

 

I understand that the MOFA now has an online queue application for appointment that may take weeks. I don't have time to go through that as will leave the country in 5 days.

 

If an endorsement of my marriage documents by MOFA Bangkok is a necessity, can anyone suggest a reliable agent to approach? I don't expect to be back in the country until next year sometime.

 

Thanks in advance

[DrJack54]

@Liquorice  can advise re marriage requirements. 

 

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, soihok said:

Hi.

 

Non Imm O visa based on marriage, question on gaining an extension.

 

Trying to get to the bottom of it after a visit to the Amphur Mueang office in Korat today, to obtain Kor Ror 22.

Married my wife in Singapore (over 20 years ago). 

 

Have.....

- Singapore marriage certificate and translation from English to Thai endorsed by notary public and the Royal Thai Embassy Singapore.

- I produced these in Korat today, was told that I require to gain endorsement by Ministry of Foreign Affairs at Laksi in Bangkok before can obtain Kor Ror 22.

Question = Is this correct? I need to go to Laksi MOFA to get another endorsement?

 

Tomorrow I am visiting a different Amphur office to try again.

 

I understand that the MOFA now has an online queue application for appointment that may take weeks. I don't have time to go through that as will leave the country in 5 days.

 

If an endorsement of my marriage documents by MOFA Bangkok is a necessity, can anyone suggest a reliable agent to approach? I don't expect to be back in the country until next year sometime.

 

Thanks in advance

 

No expert and ready to be shot down.....from memory we had to do something similar....... took our docks to a little office offering a MOFA service....1000B two days......that was Suk soi 13.

[Liquorice]

2 hours ago, soihok said:

Have.....

- Singapore marriage certificate and translation from English to Thai endorsed by notary public and the Royal Thai Embassy Singapore.

- I produced these in Korat today, was told that I require to gain endorsement by Ministry of Foreign Affairs at Laksi in Bangkok before can obtain Kor Ror 22.

Question = Is this correct? I need to go to Laksi MOFA to get another endorsement?

The Amphur is correct.

I would also request the full requirements for registering your overseas marriage at your designated Amphur.
They may also require an Embassy certified copy of your Passport ID page, translating into Thai, then legalising by the MFA.

 

To obtain a Kor Ror 22 your overseas marriage must first be registered with the authorities.

There are two parts to the procedure, the first you have already accomplished in Singapore, which is merely 'authenticating' your marriage certificate and certified by the Thai Embassy in Singapore, but that does not register your overseas marriage in Thailand.

 

To register your overseas marriage at any Amphur, you need to have those documents 'legalised' by the Consular section of Thailand's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Only then will the authorities register your overseas marriage, which will then enable you to obtain a Kor Ror22 in the future.

 

Another consideration is did your wife take your surname or keep her own.
If she took your surname then at the same time as registering the marriage, obtain a 'certificate of name change' and renew her ID.

 

You don't state where you are, but there are a number of Consular offices of the MFA around Thailand.

 

For legalisation of documents by the MFA, appointments are necessary.

The MFA have now opened several centres to have the above documents legalised.
1. 123 Chaeng Watthana Road, Lak Si District, Bangkok 10210

2. MBK CENTER Shopping Mall, 5th floor, Zone A, Phaya Thai Road, Wang Mai Subdistrict, Pathum Wan District, Bangkok

3. Central Pattaya Shopping Center, 4th Floor, No. 333/102, Village No. 9, Nongprue Subdistrict, Bang Lamung District, Chonburi Province 20260

4. 7th Cycle Birthday Anniversary International Convention and Exhibition Center, 1st floor, Rueng Phueng Building 2,
Muang District, Chiang Mai Province

5. Ubon Ratchathani Provincial Hall Building, 1st floor, back west side, Ubon Ratchathani Province

6. Temporary Passport Office, Songkhla, Laem Son On Road, Bo Yang Subdistrict, Mueang District, Songkhla Province 90000

7. Central Phuket Festival Shopping Mall, B Floor, Wichit Subdistrict, Mueang District, Phuket Province

 

Office locations, maps, contact numbers

https://consular.mfa.go.th/th/publicservice/สถานที่ให้บริการรับรองนิติกรณ์เอกสาร

 

You must book an appointment here https://qlegal.consular.go.th/customer/index choosing which office and download the barcode once accepted.

 

[BKKBike09]

Also be aware the district office / amphur may want to keep your original marriage certificate. They wanted to keep ours but I pleaded sentimental attachment and got them to take a copy instead (it was an official copy from the registry in UK, not a photocopy).

[soihok]

47 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

The Amphur is correct.

I would also request the full requirements for registering your overseas marriage at your designated Amphur.
They may also require an Embassy certified copy of your Passport ID page, translating into Thai, then legalising by the MFA.

 

To obtain a Kor Ror 22 your overseas marriage must first be registered with the authorities.

There are two parts to the procedure, the first you have already accomplished in Singapore, which is merely 'authenticating' your marriage certificate and certified by the Thai Embassy in Singapore, but that does not register your overseas marriage in Thailand.

 

To register your overseas marriage at any Amphur, you need to have those documents 'legalised' by the Consular section of Thailand's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Only then will the authorities register your overseas marriage, which will then enable you to obtain a Kor Ror22 in the future.

 

Another consideration is did your wife take your surname or keep her own.
If she took your surname then at the same time as registering the marriage, obtain a 'certificate of name change' and renew her ID.

 

You don't state where you are, but there are a number of Consular offices of the MFA around Thailand.

 

For legalisation of documents by the MFA, appointments are necessary.

The MFA have now opened several centres to have the above documents legalised.
1. 123 Chaeng Watthana Road, Lak Si District, Bangkok 10210

2. MBK CENTER Shopping Mall, 5th floor, Zone A, Phaya Thai Road, Wang Mai Subdistrict, Pathum Wan District, Bangkok

3. Central Pattaya Shopping Center, 4th Floor, No. 333/102, Village No. 9, Nongprue Subdistrict, Bang Lamung District, Chonburi Province 20260

4. 7th Cycle Birthday Anniversary International Convention and Exhibition Center, 1st floor, Rueng Phueng Building 2,
Muang District, Chiang Mai Province

5. Ubon Ratchathani Provincial Hall Building, 1st floor, back west side, Ubon Ratchathani Province

6. Temporary Passport Office, Songkhla, Laem Son On Road, Bo Yang Subdistrict, Mueang District, Songkhla Province 90000

7. Central Phuket Festival Shopping Mall, B Floor, Wichit Subdistrict, Mueang District, Phuket Province

 

Office locations, maps, contact numbers

https://consular.mfa.go.th/th/publicservice/สถานที่ให้บริการรับรองนิติกรณ์เอกสาร

 

You must book an appointment here https://qlegal.consular.go.th/customer/index choosing which office and download the barcode once accepted.

 

Hi.

Thank you very much for taking your time to explain this information in great detail. Its very much appreciated indeed.

I'm in Korat for a short period of time, we (wife, kids and me) will return to Singapore in a few days, so no time to arrange the things mentioned on my own at this time.

 

Actually the lady in Amphur Mueang office in Korat explained that marriage certificate needs endorsement by MFA but didn't mention anything else. She also said she couldn't give us any info on where to go to and any procedure at all 🤷, hmmm. Hence, my post here. 

 

Regarding my passport, it needs renewing in 6 months so I think that I might be better renewing it before to gain any further translation and legalisation. I won't be back in Thailand until sometime later next year. The documents obtained in Singapore will then be about 6 years old.  I think that if I wish to gain the required documents from MFA I need to engage an agent to do it for me. Can any be suggested?

 

My wife and I have been married for over 20 years. Her ID Card and passport are using my surname, for over 20 years. Both kids (dual Thai and UK) are my surname. I should have done all this palaver 20 years ago when things were far more easier. Not to worry.

 

Thanks again for such great information and detail. You put the lady in Amphur Mueang office to shame.

 

[problemfarang]

liquorice explained what i wanted to post

so no need mine

 

good luck

[soihok]

5 minutes ago, problemfarang said:

liquorice explained what i wanted to post

so no need mine

 

good luck

Thank you so much 👍

Its very well appreciated 

[Liquorice]

50 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Also be aware the district office / amphur may want to keep your original marriage certificate. They wanted to keep ours but I pleaded sentimental attachment and got them to take a copy instead (it was an official copy from the registry in UK, not a photocopy).

They should never keep the originals, they may be requested in the future for other purposes.

Although I married in Thailand, I had my legalised copy of passport ID page and affidavit to marry all copied by laser jet copier (still have the originals) and the Amphur accepted those as I don't think they could tell any difference anyhow.

 

@soihok Take note and good advice to take good copies of these documents for safekeeping.

 

 

[Liquorice]

26 minutes ago, soihok said:

Hi.

Thank you very much for taking your time to explain this information in great detail. Its very much appreciated indeed.

I'm in Korat for a short period of time, we (wife, kids and me) will return to Singapore in a few days, so no time to arrange the things mentioned on my own at this time.

Regarding my passport, it needs renewing in 6 months so I think that I might be better renewing it before to gain any further translation and legalisation. I won't be back in Thailand until sometime later next year. The documents obtained in Singapore will then be about 6 years old.  I think that if I wish to gain the required documents from MFA I need to engage an agent to do it for me.

I'd suggest that when you next return with a new passport, make an online prior appointment with the British Embassy for a certified copy of your passport.

Although I married in Thailand, I prebooked an appointment with the British Embassy whilst in the UK for the day after arriving in Bangkok.

I used and can recommend;

Express Translation Services
866 Phloen Chit Road

Lumphini
Pathum Wan

Bangkok 10330

Tel: 084 656 2459

https://www.expresstranslationservice.co.th

 

They translated the documents and had them legalised by the MFA, then returned via EMS to our home address in Roi Et.

Took 4 working days, but before appointments for the MFA were required.

[problemfarang]

1 hour ago, BKKBike09 said:

Also be aware the district office / amphur may want to keep your original marriage certificate. They wanted to keep ours but I pleaded sentimental attachment and got them to take a copy instead (it was an official copy from the registry in UK, not a photocopy).

 

no they dont keep the originals. theya re the ones giving you the originals.. no any case they will ask to keep the originals.. maybe signed copies for the reason you applied.

the only reason they will ask your original marriage certificate is when you get divorce. and if you lost it you should bring your police report.