3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Human rights laws are central to protecting citizens from being deported for any reason let alone disagreeing with Government.

 

Yet they are now being misused to prevent the deportation of illegal citizens on increasingly spurious grounds. 

 

The UK had human rights laws before it joined the ECHR and would have them after we left. 

 

Your notion that there would be zero human rights in the UK after leaving is just a scare tactic and once again deeply disingenuous. 

 

Leaving the ECHR is the right thing to do for Britain. 

16 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Human rights laws are central to protecting citizens from being deported for any reason let alone disagreeing with Government.

 

Name one 'citizen' that was deported before we were part of this human rights nonsense, it's only ever used to stop criminals and illegal immigrants being sent packing.

Farage is right, they are a scourge

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yet they are now being misused to prevent the deportation of illegal citizens on increasingly spurious grounds. 

 

The UK had human rights laws before it joined the ECHR and would have them after we left. 

 

Your notion that there would be zero human rights in the UK after leaving is just a scare tactic and once again deeply disingenuous. 

 

Leaving the ECHR is the right thing to do for Britain. 

The UK did not "join" the ECHR - it set the whole thing up after WW2!

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yet they are now being misused to prevent the deportation of illegal citizens on increasingly spurious grounds. 

 

The UK had human rights laws before it joined the ECHR and would have them after we left. 

 

Your notion that there would be zero human rights in the UK after leaving is just a scare tactic and once again deeply disingenuous. 

 

Leaving the ECHR is the right thing to do for Britain. 

And yet illegal immigrants are being deported.

“The UK had human rights laws before it joined the ECHR and would have them after we left.”

 

Farage has proposed abolishing UK Human rights law.

 

Please provide link to UK human rights laws that existed before the UK joined the ECHR.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nigel-farage-vows-scrap-uk-32348930.amp

 

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

The UK did not "join" the ECHR - it set the whole thing up after WW2!

 

Set it up and became a member - hence joined.

 

Funny how you and Chomps are always on the same thread at the same time, with the same posting style and level of pedantry.

 

It's almost like you're the same person.  😄

23 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Name one 'citizen' that was deported before we were part of this human rights nonsense, it's only ever used to stop criminals and illegal immigrants being sent packing.

It wasn’t me who suggested deporting citizens, Farage in particular.

 

You might want to look at the history of deportations to Australia.

 

 

 

Never one to miss a band wagon our Nige.

 

He's watched Trump long enough to know the uneducated are the key to his future.

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Set it up and became a member - hence joined.

 

Funny how you and Chomps are always on the same thread at the same time, with the same posting style and level of pedantry.

 

It's almost like you're the same person.  😄

If you believe that yo be true take it up with the forum administrators.

 

In the absence of you doing so I’ll call it out as your usual BS.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Farage has proposed abolishing UK Human rights law.

 

He is proposing replacing it with a British bill of rights. 

 

 

The right thing to do given the way the ECHR is abusing it's power. 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you believe that yo be true take it up with the forum administrators.

 

In the absence of you doing so I’ll call it out as your usual BS.

 

OK Brewster, will do.

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And the ‘Humans’ who support Farage can’t see any problem with that.

 

 

 

Perhaps you should have watched the whole thing live.

 

Something that you might not be aware of.

 

The 1st duty of any Government, is to the safety and security of its Citizens.

 

The next poll will be interesting. It will be a good indicator of how many " Humans " do not have a problem with a single word he said yesterday.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet illegal immigrants are being deported.

 

Can you provide evidence that the illegal immigrants that are crossing the Channel are being deported in any significant numbers ?
 

Don't confuse

 

1. Convicted Foreign criminals

 

2. Visa overstayers being paid a £3000 bung to voluntarily repatriate.

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Farage has proposed abolishing UK Human rights law.

 

And what is your issue ?
 

You are aware that the architect of the HRA, one T Blair, tried, and failed miserably to abolish the HRA in 2006 ?
 

His fire breathing dragon, probably threatened to cut his swingers off, it he did.

 

Matrix Chambers and trough trough, go hand in hand.

3 hours ago, JAG said:

The ECHR and the Human Rights Act, together with various treaties on refugees, have and are being used, one might say abused, to allow massive illegal immigration, very largely of young males; immigration which is putting huge strain upon public resources, and is thwarting every attempt to control or prevent that migration. It is opposed by the majority of the population.

 

The "Humans" of whom you speak so disparagingly are the people of a country which has over the last 5 decades taken a leading role internationally in relieving much human misery and opposing political repression worldwide. All done without the ECHR and "Human Rights" legislation. These latter are, way beyond their original remit and intent, being used to enforce a largely unwanted and unpopular demographic and cultural change upon our society.

 

I am no particular fan of Nigel Farage, nor of zip tying my national flags to lamp posts, even less of wearing them as some sort of cloak like a faux medieval costume, but it is a manifestation of increasing popular discontent with what is happening in/to our country. He is articulating that discontent, and has, correctly identified, the ECHR and The Human Rights act as the log jam blocking any effective attempts to deal with this massive illegal migration. All attempts to deal with this, either by this or previous governments run up against this log jam. The ECHR in particular has placed itself as above our Parliaments sovereignty, in deliberately countering, impeding and forbidding, Government policies.

 

It is manifestly not about asylum, these large numbers of migrants have travelled through many safe countries to illegally enter the UK, and have abandoned the real sufferers from oppression and poverty - women, children and the elderly- in their "home countries",

 

Absolutely and totally agree.

 

I am no fan of Farage or Reform but their presence in parliament as junior opposition is well served by this declaration of their specific policy on illegal immigration. Labour's hands are hopelessly tied by their socialist mores, hence their milquetoast response to this challenging declaration. The response from the leader of the opposition in suggesting that Farage is simply borrowing their policy is as risible as it is contemptible. 

 

When it comes to immigration, both legal AND illegal, the Tories and Labour, to borrow a phrase from George Galloway, are "two cheeks of the same arse." Kudos to Reform for holding the government's AND the opposition's feet to the fire on this matter.

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

milquetoast

 

Got to use that this week...... somehow!!!

30 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Set it up and became a member - hence joined.

 

Funny how you and Chomps are always on the same thread at the same time, with the same posting style and level of pedantry.

 

It's almost like you're the same person.  😄

 

Nothing to offer then? So have a pop at the poster instead of the post?

 

Meanwhile, your comments, "posting style and level of pedantry" mirrors at least one of your clique.

4 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Got to use that this week...... somehow!!!

 

Milquetoast is Starmer's secret middle name as well as being the public raison d'être for the entire Scottish National Party.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Milquetoast is Starmer's secret middle name as well as being the public raison d'être for the entire Scottish National Party.

 

Actually his middle name is Rodney, fittingly...

 

Illegal  migration is not a "scourge"

 

it is a politician made problem, designed by generations of idiot politicians who WANTED migrants.

 

Politicians are to blame.

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

As far as I know. Only a small minority of a bottom lost part of society follow him

 

I suggest you step outside of your echo chamber and look at some recent polls. 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It wasn’t me who suggested deporting citizens, Farage in particular.

 

You might want to look at the history of deportations to Australia.

 

Going back 200 years sending criminals to a colony 🤣 Transporting criminals was not the same as deporting illegal invading immigrants

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I suggest you step outside of your echo chamber and look at some recent polls. 

What have polls to do with law?

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Perhaps you should have watched the whole thing live.

 

Something that you might not be aware of.

 

The 1st duty of any Government, is to the safety and security of its Citizens.

 

The next poll will be interesting. It will be a good indicator of how many " Humans " do not have a problem with a single word he said yesterday.

Why would I watch Farage running his mouth making promises to do things that can’t be done at prices he dreams up?

 

He’s a carnival barker.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Nothing to offer then? So have a pop at the poster instead of the post?

 

Meanwhile, your comments, "posting style and level of pedantry" mirrors at least one of your clique.

 

He resorts to it when he's beaten or at least lost for words.  It's really quite amusing.

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why would I watch Farage running his mouth making promises to do things that can’t be done at prices he dreams up?

 

He’s a carnival barker.

 

You would not watch him, because he would make you cry.

 

Don't bet your house ( If you have one ) that he will not get things done.

 

The 1st duty of any Government, is the protection and security of its citizens

 

All of what he is proposing can be achieved, by simply calling a National Emergency under the National Security Act.

 

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why would I watch Farage running his mouth making promises to do things that can’t be done at prices he dreams up?

 

He’s a carnival barker.

 

It's costing about 7 million a day to keep illegal invaders in accommodation, it will not cost that much to deport them, and we will not be looking after them for life.

6 minutes ago, proton said:

 

It's costing about 7 million a day to keep illegal invaders in accommodation, it will not cost that much to deport them, and we will not be looking after them for life.

The carnival barker Farage is mouthing off about  £10Billion to deport migrants.

 

The Tories tried it and achieved 4 voluntary deportations to Rwanda with a mean cost of £175,000,000 each.

 

Your ability to believe people who already lied to you when then now tell you there are cheap and easy solutions to complex problems is remarkable.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The carnival barker Farage is mouthing off about  £10Billion to deport migrants.

 

The Tories tried it and achieved 4 voluntary deportations to Rwanda with a mean cost of £175,000,000 each.

 

Your ability to believe people who already lied to you when then now tell you there are cheap and easy solutions to complex problems is remarkable.

 

 

 

10 billion is only about three years accommodation costs for the invaders, not counting the costs of looking after them when they are allowed to stay. Sounds like a long term money saver, but it's not just about money is it, if they have entered illegally they have no right to be in the UK and should be deported immediately 

Of course illegal immigration is a scourge, anything illegal is a scourge, except sex and drugs for which "illegal" means "fun".