19 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Man cites ammo.com as a source in a debate about whether guns are good or not.

Do you dispute the stats?

 

21 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Great! No source, but let's say you're right. That would be one example........versus how many hundreds of school shootings and mass killings?

Well Im sure there are some non victims and live folks that would disagree, but hey, tell us what gun control there should be. Maybe denying weapons to transgenders?  Throw more criminals in jail? Seize a million AR-15s?

 

I dont hate transgenders, I hate that mentally ill folks influence policy, are used as destabilizing weapons and are denied treatment for their illness, all in the march to socialism.

Car accidents kill more people than guns in America EVERY year.
Cars are not protected in our Constitution... 
Let's ban all cars!!!

Sounds insane, doesn't it?

Obesity kills more people than guns - let's ban all spoons

Sounds insane, doesn't it?

Mentally ill people more people 100x more than legal gun owners, let's ban guns, not help with mental illness.

People with felony convictions kill more people than law abiding citizens, let's take the guns away from law abiding citizens.

You have to be mentally ill to not look at the FACTS!   Guns don't kill people, people kill people.  Let's found personal responsibility in our world again before taking away guns from those that obey the law!

1 hour ago, ChiTownEric said:

Car accidents kill more people than guns in America EVERY year.
Cars are not protected in our Constitution... 
Let's ban all cars!!!

Sounds insane, doesn't it?

Obesity kills more people than guns - let's ban all spoons

Sounds insane, doesn't it?

Mentally ill people more people 100x more than legal gun owners, let's ban guns, not help with mental illness.

People with felony convictions kill more people than law abiding citizens, let's take the guns away from law abiding citizens.

You have to be mentally ill to not look at the FACTS!   Guns don't kill people, people kill people.  Let's found personal responsibility in our world again before taking away guns from those that obey the law!

People with guns, maybe only one gun, kill people, sometimes many, that's a fact.

Take away that gun, and that person will not be able to kill so many people, that's a fact.

These mass killers don't have a sense of personality responsibility, if they did, they wouldn't be mass killers!

It's amazing how Americans are so addicted to guns.

In other Western countries, folks hardly ever see a gun, they mean nothing to them.

 

americans should be banned from saying how crazy they feel thais are/thailand is, because the gun laws in the usa put the maddest behaviour here way into the pale

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

The experience in countries that have implemented bans contradict your opinion.

Freedom of speech is almost gone in every western nation except for the USA.

I'm sure that is not important to you for now, but some of your forefathers undoubtably thought it was important enough to die for.
 

 

7 hours ago, mogandave said:

Yiu can cherry-pick the years, but was trending down in the years before the ban, and it went up for about five years immediately after the ban. 

 

And take a look at the significant increase in law enforcement funding over tge same period.

 

 

 

In 1996 there was a horrific slaughter in Tasmania, Australia, by a shooter using an AR15-style weapon, culminating a series of mass shootings that had plagued that nation for over a decade.

 

While the mainstream Australian media generally didn’t publish the photos, they were widely circulated.

 

As a result the Australian public was so repulsed that within a year semi-automatic weapons in civilian hands were outlawed altogether, strict gun control measures were put into place, and a gun-buyback program went into effect that voluntarily took over 700,000 weapons out of circulation.

 

The one thing that will end this national nightmare | Opinion

 

In the first years after the laws took place, firearms-related deaths in Australia fell by well over 40 percent, with suicides dropping by 77 percent. There have only been two mass killings in the 29 years since then.

 

1 minute ago, bannork said:

 

In 1996 there was a horrific slaughter in Tasmania, Australia, by a shooter using an AR15-style weapon, culminating a series of mass shootings that had plagued that nation for over a decade.

 

While the mainstream Australian media generally didn’t publish the photos, they were widely circulated.

 

As a result the Australian public was so repulsed that within a year semi-automatic weapons in civilian hands were outlawed altogether, strict gun control measures were put into place, and a gun-buyback program went into effect that voluntarily took over 700,000 weapons out of circulation.

 

The one thing that will end this national nightmare | Opinion

 

In the first years after the laws took place, firearms-related deaths in Australia fell by well over 40 percent, with suicides dropping by 77 percent. There have only been two mass killings in the 29 years since then.

 

And your government has basically been non responsive if not intolerant to the will of the people ever since.  Congratulations.

 More from: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-one-thing-that-will-end-this-national-nightmare-opinion/ar-AA1LAldX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=6a5ded34dbf54669b

 

Have you ever seen pictures of the bodies mutilated by the .223 caliber bullets that semi-automatic assault weapons like the AR15 fire?

 

The odds are pretty close to zero. Most Americans have no idea the kind of damage such weapons of war can do to people, particularly children.

 

But we need to learn. Because pictures really work when it comes to changing public opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Final excerpt: It’s time for America to confront the reality of gun violence.

 

And all my years working in the senior levels of the advertising industry tell me that a graphic portrayal of the consequences of their products is the greatest fear of America’s weapons manufacturers and the NRA.

 

We did it with tobacco and drunk driving back in the day, showing pictures of people missing half their jaw or mangled and bloody car wreckage, and it worked.

 

The one thing that will end this national nightmare | Opinion

 

And now there’s a student-led movement asking states to put a check-box on driver’s licenses with the line:

“In the event that I die from gun violence please publicize the photo of my death. #MyLastShot.”

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

 More from: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/the-one-thing-that-will-end-this-national-nightmare-opinion/ar-AA1LAldX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=6a5ded34dbf54669b

 

Have you ever seen pictures of the bodies mutilated by the .223 caliber bullets that semi-automatic assault weapons like the AR15 fire?

 

The odds are pretty close to zero. Most Americans have no idea the kind of damage such weapons of war can do to people, particularly children.

 

But we need to learn. Because pictures really work when it comes to changing public opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely have.  Ever seen a baby go through a car window?

Aren't you a Ukraine war supporter?  Ever see someone step a landmine?

Are you a man or a woman?  Just trying to get a feel for where you are coming from with this emotional reasoning.

On 8/27/2025 at 6:08 PM, NickyLouie said:

Shooter was ANOTHER anti Trump homosexual Democrat, 

 

 

CNN host Brianna Keilar called out Sebastian Gorka, a counterterrorism aide to President Donald Trump, for inaccurate claims about mass shootings.

 

On Sunday, Keilar confronted Gorka after he claimed there was an "ideological connection" between incidents with transgender mass shooters, including the recent tragedy at a Catholic church in Minnesota.

 

"You know, 96% of attackers, when you're looking at the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center, looking at 172 mass attacks in the U.S. between 2016 and 2020, 96% were non-trans men," Keilar noted.

 

'It's simple math': CNN host goes nuclear on Trump aide for mass shooting misinformation

 

33 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

CNN host Brianna Keilar called out Sebastian Gorka, a counterterrorism aide to President Donald Trump, for inaccurate claims about mass shootings.

 

On Sunday, Keilar confronted Gorka after he claimed there was an "ideological connection" between incidents with transgender mass shooters, including the recent tragedy at a Catholic church in Minnesota.

 

"You know, 96% of attackers, when you're looking at the U.S. Secret Service National Threat Assessment Center, looking at 172 mass attacks in the U.S. between 2016 and 2020, 96% were non-trans men," Keilar noted.

 

'It's simple math': CNN host goes nuclear on Trump aide for mass shooting misinformation

 

I think the is some concern about SSRI's being involved fairly consistently.  Not sure why Trans stats pre-2020 and over 5 years ago matter in this discussion.

And almost no doubt transitioning played a roll here.

Also no doubt that most mass attacks barely make the national news because they are typically gang violence.

Do you have any data on what percentage of the population is transitioning and what percentage of that population is documented as violent or on SSRI's?  That may be more helpful than CNN, if the goal is to get to the bottom of this.

4 hours ago, Miloki said:

Freedom of speech is almost gone in every western nation except for the USA.

I'm sure that is not important to you for now, but some of your forefathers undoubtably thought it was important enough to die for.
 

 

Deflection, not related at all to the post i reacted to.

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns...

 

 Have never been an American, but it makes a lot of sense.

 

 Good people disarmed, left defenseless against armed thugs."

20 hours ago, Yagoda said:

https://ammo.com/research/defensive-gun-use-statistics

 

 

You don't seriously consider that article to be a credible piece of research and, in any way, offer evidence to support unrestricted gun ownership, do you?

 

One need go no further than the following statement to dismiss its' findings as unreliable, "Defensive gun use has no singular definition. Some researchers refer to the individual's feelings about the situation ..." 

 

The fact that the author cannot define her terminology is bad enough; to compound matters by effectively saying any definition will do, beggars belief. 

 

Example: I shoot someone because they looked at me the wrong way and felt threatened by the situation. That meets the author's "definition" of  'defensive gun use'. Add another number to the stats.

 

As I say, this approach beggars belief.

11 hours ago, bannork said:

 

In 1996 there was a horrific slaughter in Tasmania, Australia, by a shooter using an AR15-style weapon, culminating a series of mass shootings that had plagued that nation for over a decade.

 

While the mainstream Australian media generally didn’t publish the photos, they were widely circulated.

 

As a result the Australian public was so repulsed that within a year semi-automatic weapons in civilian hands were outlawed altogether, strict gun control measures were put into place, and a gun-buyback program went into effect that voluntarily took over 700,000 weapons out of circulation.

 

The one thing that will end this national nightmare | Opinion

 

In the first years after the laws took place, firearms-related deaths in Australia fell by well over 40 percent, with suicides dropping by 77 percent. There have only been two mass killings in the 29 years since then.

 

 

Your claim: "In the first years after the laws took place, firearms-related deaths in Australia fell by well over 40 percent, with suicides dropping by 77 percent. There have only been two mass killings in the 29 years since then."  is deceiving.

 

If you were honest, you would also note the after the gun ban, homicides actually increased in the years following the gun ban. The reduction of firearms-related deaths was due to the reduction of firearm suicides.

 

 

2 hours ago, RayC said:

You don't seriously consider that article to be a credible piece of research and, in any way, offer evidence to support unrestricted gun ownership, do you?

Do you have facts to dispute? What in the article is not credible.?

 

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Defensive gun use has no singular definition. Some researchers refer to the individual's feelings about the situation ..." 

Define it for us then. Interesting how you leave stuff out

 

3 hours ago, RayC said:

to compound matters by effectively saying any definition will do, beggars belief. 

What language shows that

Hey, we should ban drugs. Think of all the lives we could save.  

On 8/29/2025 at 8:00 AM, Yellowtail said:

Why does the left get all worked up about guns, but does not seem at all concerned that there seems to be more and more people wanting to kill children? 

Because they are stirred up by their political masters about the issue with lies and distortions, because that is what the Dems do - create division and hatred amongst their fools who are always virtue signalling - and then get their votes.

3 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Because they are stirred up by their political masters about the issue with lies and distortions, because that is what the Dems do - create division and hatred amongst their fools who are always virtue signalling - and then get their votes.

And what do you right wing trump fan boys do about multiple killings of young people by people using guns?

You do nothing at all except wring your hands and offer prayers.

You should be ashamed of yourselves, too afraid to make any serious move to limit gun ownership.

 

1 minute ago, bannork said:

And what do you right wing trump fan boys do about multiple killings of young people by people using guns?

You do nothing at all except wring your hands and offer prayers.

You should be ashamed of yourselves, too afraid to make any serious move to limit gun ownership.

 

No one has said that all that is needed it hopes and prayers. 

 

I do not doubt that the number of school shootings would be reduced if guns were banned in the US, 

 

Please explain what you believe needs to be done to stop the killings, aside from attacking and mocking Christians for praying. 

 

While you're at it, please explain why the murder rate in Australia actually went up after guns were banned. 

Just now, Yellowtail said:

I do not doubt that the number of school shootings would be reduced if guns were banned in the US, 

 

Please explain what you believe needs to be done to stop the killings

 

I think there might be a clue in your response.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No one has said that all that is needed it hopes and prayers. 

 

I do not doubt that the number of school shootings would be reduced if guns were banned in the US, 

 

Please explain what you believe needs to be done to stop the killings, aside from attacking and mocking Christians for praying. 

 

While you're at it, please explain why the murder rate in Australia actually went up after guns were banned. 

This sums it up quite nicely, after every mass shooting.

 

Just now, josephbloggs said:

This sums it up quite nicely, after every mass shooting.

 

Oh, dead children, that's hilarious. 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, dead children, that's hilarious. 

Yeah, I was definitely laughing at the dead children wasn't I. In no way was it mocking the inaction of your politicians.

Do you really need that explaining?

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, I was definitely laughing at the dead children wasn't I. In no way was it mocking the inaction of your politicians.

Do you really need that explaining?

Please explain what your positions are doing aside from attacking and mocking Christians and Republicans for praying.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please explain what your positions are doing aside from attacking and mocking Christians and Republicans for praying.

 

 

 

 

If it helps.....I am more than happy to mock the totally ridiculous act of praying in anyway I can.

 

It is pathetic praying for anything, but especially for the murdered children........ by politicians who receive money from the NRA to prevent any action being taken to prevent these murders.

 

 

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

If it helps.....I am more than happy to mock the totally ridiculous act of praying in anyway I can.

 

It is pathetic praying for anything, but especially for the murder of children by politicians who receive money from the NRA t

 

 

Again, please explain what actions should be being taken to prevent these murders, aside from attacking and mocking Christians and Republicans for praying.

 

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Again, please explain what actions should be being taken to prevent these murders, aside from attacking and mocking Christians and Republicans for praying.

 

 

 

Straight from the horses mouth........

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please explain what your positions are doing aside from attacking and mocking Christians and Republicans for praying.

 

 

Yeah, I was definitely laughing at the Christians praying for their children just like I was laughing at the dead children. I know people say Americans don't understand irony. but jeez, I didn't know it was this bad.

Simple, stand up to the NRA and other lobbyists, ban assault weapons and other high powered weapons immediately, and ultimately work towards private firearm ownership restrictions entirely - not easy in your weird gun loving culture, but you have to start somewhere.

It worked in the UK after Dunblane. It worked in Australia after Port Arthur. Universally the citizens agree with it and wouldn't change it. We all saw mass shootings and thought, "that's bad, let's do something about it" and then did. Tough, decisive action. In the USA after mass shootings some people think, "that's bad, let's do something about it" but then nothing happens.........apart from thoughts and prayers and money continuing to flow in from the NRA.

 

Even the small amount of comfort the parents of slain children must be stripped from them if it furthers the left's agenda. So inclusive the left.