10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

When an experienced B-double truck driver gives me instruction on how to drive a truck, I'll listen.

 

If it is someone who only just learned to ride a bicycle, I won't.

When a chronical ill old geezer rambles about the success of his battery of meds and vaccines, that brought him into that condition, I listen.  

If it is someone providing evidence of harms of over-medication and vaccines, I won't. 

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The biggest problems with domesticated and farm animal's health are; 

 

Living conditions.

Poor diet.

Over, and unnecessary, medication.

 

Is there special viruses for animals then Sir?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

Wow!!

Thank you for your insight here.

 

I have wasted my entire working life - because you have had all of the answers all along.

 

Numty.. 

 

3 hours ago, G Rex said:

Wow!!

Thank you for your insight here.

 

I have wasted my entire working life - because you have had all of the answers all along.

 

Numty.. 

 

It's OK Sir. Don't beat yerself up over it. Obviously you did not know me for your entire working life, so you are forgiven.

 

But now you do, ask me anything. Either through PM, or by posting here.

 

Cheers.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

 

Here is nature's answer to resolving the problem of a non-existent virus that doesn't infect humans and isn't contagious.......strangely, this was prior to giving people the vaccine that causes this......how on Earth does that work????

 

 

 

23 hours ago, Will B Good said:

...plus one person suffering from smallpox......and one with polio.....let them embrace nature.

Neither of which is infectious.

 

In the link given by Red, Mr Sayer clearly explains the history of Polio and the 'cures' and 'vaccines' along its 200+ year pathway.

 

There are 50 references in the essay. Why not have a butchers?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

23 hours ago, Will B Good said:

...plus one person suffering from smallpox......and one with polio.....let them embrace nature.

Neither of which is infectious.

 

In the link given by Red, Mr Sayer clearly explains the history of Polio and the 'cures' and 'vaccines' along its 200+ year pathway.

 

There are 80 references in the essay. Why not have a butchers?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Neither of which are infectious.

 

In the link given by Red, Mr Sayer clearly explains the history of Polio and the 'cures' and 'vaccines' along its 200+ year pathway.

 

There are 50 references in the essay. Why not have a butchers?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

 

Utter drivel.....do me a favour.....don't respond.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Utter drivel.....do me a favour.....don't respond.

Just telling you what is in Red's OP's linked essay Sir.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Just telling you what is in Red's OP's linked essay Sir.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

 

So what the **** was nature doing during the plagues and the Black Death.....no industrial toxins or bad vapours then!

35 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

It's OK Sir. Don't beat yerself up over it. Obviously you did not know me for your entire working life, so you are forgiven.

 

But now you do, ask me anything. Either through PM, or by posting here.

 

Cheers.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

You are certifiably insane.

 

Good bye!

Just now, G Rex said:

 

You are certifiably insane.

 

Good bye!

 

 

I've tried to avoid reaching that conclusion myself.........but, yes, you're correct.

 

40 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

So what the **** was nature doing during the plagues and the Black Death.....no industrial toxins or bad vapours then!

Noxious air. A comet?

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Noxious air. A comet?

 

Give it a rest....you're just embarrassing yourself.

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Give it a rest....you're just embarrassing yourself.

That is impossible as he has sunk below the level of embarrasment to the level of complete ridiculousness.

3 hours ago, Will B Good said:

So what the **** was nature doing during the plagues and the Black Death.....no industrial toxins or bad vapours then!

I did answer you earlier Will. But it was short and sharp; as I had to rush off to the farm where a little duck was distressed.

 

What caused them? Why nature of course.

 

There have been 7 'plagues' recorded in history. The earliest ones we have little info on. However, the biggie in the 1300s, we do have more than an inkling; actual evidence.

 

And the evidence shows that there was a big problem with airborne toxicity, starting in the mid 1330s and continued for about 20 years. It killed fish, animals, birds, trees, plants and of course humans. It's estimated that upwards of 90 million people perished.

 

So what was it that caused the problem? Well! Going by tree-ring and ice core sample analysis, there was a distinctive change during the period to normal. The evidence suggests that it was a comet (maybe two) that hit somewhere in East Europe. One in 1336/7, and a second causing a huge earthquake (Jan 25th1348) and other major associated events. This resulted in immense amounts of ammonium in the atmosphere. Also Carbon Disulphide, Hydrogen Sulphide, other evil smelling chemicals and poison dust. This ties in with the illness being primarily that of the lungs . It stayed in the atmosphere for some 18 months, and travelled vast distances. Although the dust was evident for a number of years,

 

There are many records from around the world, mostly the Northern Hemisphere, as having terrible natural disasters occurring. In China the air was so bad it wiped our food growing, and resulted in over 5 million deaths in the late 1330s. Italy suffered terribly. And Cyprus.

 

Any notion that it was rats, and their fleas, that caused anything, is simply speculation. There simply is no evidence for that assumption.

 

Interesting read:

 

'New Light on the Black Death; a book by Professor Mike Baillie.

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Neither of which is infectious.

 

In the link given by Red, Mr Sayer clearly explains the history of Polio and the 'cures' and 'vaccines' along its 200+ year pathway.

 

There are 50 references in the essay. Why not have a butchers?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

What’s natures answer to the iron lung? 

1 minute ago, TedG said:

What’s natures answer to the iron lung? 

 

Quote-  Anti-vax idiots >>   "Death - Nature has the Answers !!!"   

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

So what the **** was nature doing during the plagues and the Black Death.....no industrial toxins or bad vapours then!

Not much, but thankfully antibiotics have solved that problem. Oh wait, there are no bacteria.....

13 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

So what the **** was nature doing during the plagues and the Black Death.....no industrial toxins or bad vapours then!

Not much, but thankfully antibiotics have solved that problem. Oh wait, there are no bacteria.....

 

Pre-Antibiotics - the case fatality rate for the bubonic plague ranged from 30% to 70% (as per historical record)...

 

.... Nature had the answers !!!  

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I did answer you earlier Will. But it was short and sharp; as I had to rush off to the farm where a little duck was distressed.

 

What caused them? Why nature of course.

 

There have been 7 'plagues' recorded in history. The earliest ones we have little info on. However, the biggie in the 1300s, we do have more than an inkling; actual evidence.

 

And the evidence shows that there was a big problem with airborne toxicity, starting in the mid 1330s and continued for about 20 years. It killed fish, animals, birds, trees, plants and of course humans. It's estimated that upwards of 90 million people perished.

 

So what was it that caused the problem? Well! Going by tree-ring and ice core sample analysis, there was a distinctive change during the period to normal. The evidence suggests that it was a comet (maybe two) that hit somewhere in East Europe. One in 1336/7, and a second causing a huge earthquake (Jan 25th1348) and other major associated events. This resulted in immense amounts of ammonium in the atmosphere. Also Carbon Disulphide, Hydrogen Sulphide, other evil smelling chemicals and poison dust. This ties in with the illness being primarily that of the lungs . It stayed in the atmosphere for some 18 months, and travelled vast distances. Although the dust was evident for a number of years,

 

There are many records from around the world, mostly the Northern Hemisphere, as having terrible natural disasters occurring. In China the air was so bad it wiped our food growing, and resulted in over 5 million deaths in the late 1330s. Italy suffered terribly. And Cyprus.

 

Any notion that it was rats, and their fleas, that caused anything, is simply speculation. There simply is no evidence for that assumption.

 

Interesting read:

 

'New Light on the Black Death; a book by Professor Mike Baillie.

 

Utter, unadulterated b ollox.

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I did answer you earlier Will. But it was short and sharp; as I had to rush off to the farm where a little duck was distressed.

 

What caused them? Why nature of course.

 

There have been 7 'plagues' recorded in history. The earliest ones we have little info on. However, the biggie in the 1300s, we do have more than an inkling; actual evidence.

 

And the evidence shows that there was a big problem with airborne toxicity, starting in the mid 1330s and continued for about 20 years. It killed fish, animals, birds, trees, plants and of course humans. It's estimated that upwards of 90 million people perished.

 

So what was it that caused the problem? Well! Going by tree-ring and ice core sample analysis, there was a distinctive change during the period to normal. The evidence suggests that it was a comet (maybe two) that hit somewhere in East Europe. One in 1336/7, and a second causing a huge earthquake (Jan 25th1348) and other major associated events. This resulted in immense amounts of ammonium in the atmosphere. Also Carbon Disulphide, Hydrogen Sulphide, other evil smelling chemicals and poison dust. This ties in with the illness being primarily that of the lungs . It stayed in the atmosphere for some 18 months, and travelled vast distances. Although the dust was evident for a number of years,

 

There are many records from around the world, mostly the Northern Hemisphere, as having terrible natural disasters occurring. In China the air was so bad it wiped our food growing, and resulted in over 5 million deaths in the late 1330s. Italy suffered terribly. And Cyprus.

 

Any notion that it was rats, and their fleas, that caused anything, is simply speculation. There simply is no evidence for that assumption.

 

Interesting read:

 

'New Light on the Black Death; a book by Professor Mike Baillie.

 

OK - so I've ignored you for a little while because of the pure idiocy of your delusions - but, this theory deserves to be eviscerated..... 

 

The idea that twin comets in Eastern Europe caused the Black Death, wiping out humans, animals, plants, and even fish with an 18-month “poison dust” fog, is utterly laughable. It’s a masterclass in cherry-picking, pseudo-science, and misunderstanding of basic physics, chemistry, and epidemiology.

 

Comets don’t make chemical apocalypse.
Comets are mostly ice and dust. The notion that they could blanket Europe with ammonium, carbon disulphide, hydrogen sulphide, and “other evil smelling chemicals” is pure fantasy. These compounds are either unstable or would settle out of the atmosphere in days, not linger for 18 months. There is no evidence in ice cores, soil layers, or sediment records for this kind of widespread atmospheric poisoning. Suggesting otherwise is literally inventing a chemical apocalypse from nothing.

 

Tree rings and ice cores do NOT prove comet impacts.
Yes, tree rings can show growth anomalies, and ice cores can contain ammonium spikes, but these are ambiguous signals, caused by volcanic eruptions, forest fires, or climate variability. To leap from “tree rings were narrow” to “twin comets released poisonous gases” is the very definition of bad science: correlation mistaken for causation.

 

Earthquakes do not come from comets.
Claiming the January 25th, 1348 earthquake was triggered by a comet? Utter nonsense. Tectonic stresses alone explain seismic events. No comet impact has ever been linked to a historic earthquake of this magnitude. Suggesting otherwise is a comic-book-level misunderstanding of geology.

 

The Black Death was NOT a mysterious lung disease caused by dust.
Medieval plague accounts, DNA evidence, and modern epidemiology overwhelmingly show that Yersinia pestis, transmitted via fleas on rats (and later via pneumonic transmission), caused the epidemic. The idea that “evil space dust” caused lung disease ignores all of this evidence and invents a fantasy pathogen that conveniently fits the comet hypothesis. Real biology does not behave like a Hollywood script.

 

Global disasters? 
Yes, the 14th century had famines and climate anomalies - but linking them to comets while ignoring well-documented causes like crop failures from the Little Ice Age, floods, and socioeconomic stress is just sloppy hand-waving.

 

Dismissing rats and fleas as “speculation”?
This is sheer hubris. The vector-based theory of plague is supported by archaeological mass graves, DNA analysis of Yersinia pestis and historical trade patterns. To say it’s “speculation” while promoting comets and poison dust is to prioritise fantasy over evidence.

 

 

Bottom line:

This theory is a cocktail of cherry-picked data, misunderstanding of science, and pure invention.

Comets do not make chemical clouds that wipe out Europe for decades.

Tree rings and ice cores do not prove extraterrestrial poisoning.

Earthquakes are tectonic.

Rats, fleas, and Yersinia pestis exist; “poison dust from space” does not.

 

In short: Your 'theory' is a bedtime story for conspiracy enthusiasts, but a complete embarrassment and the realm of utter idiots to claim this is science...

 

 

 

One thing that never ceases to amaze me, Stiddle, is your talent for reaching new, radioactive depths of pig-ignorant lunacy – this comet-dust garbage isn’t just stupid, it’s lobotomy-level, drool-on-the-floor idiocy, the kind of delusional sewage that makes maggots look like Nobel laureates...

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

OK - so I've ignored you for a little while because of the pure idiocy of your delusions - but, this theory deserves to be eviscerated..... 

The idea that twin comets in Eastern Europe caused the Black Death, wiping out humans, animals, plants, and even fish with an 18-month “poison dust” fog, is utterly laughable. It’s a masterclass in cherry-picking, pseudo-science, and misunderstanding of basic physics, chemistry, and epidemiology.

Comets don’t make chemical apocalypse.
Comets are mostly ice and dust. The notion that they could blanket Europe with ammonium, carbon disulphide, hydrogen sulphide, and “other evil smelling chemicals” is pure fantasy. These compounds are either unstable or would settle out of the atmosphere in days, not linger for 18 months. There is no evidence in ice cores, soil layers, or sediment records for this kind of widespread atmospheric poisoning. Suggesting otherwise is literally inventing a chemical apocalypse from nothing.

Tree rings and ice cores do NOT prove comet impacts.
Yes, tree rings can show growth anomalies, and ice cores can contain ammonium spikes, but these are ambiguous signals, caused by volcanic eruptions, forest fires, or climate variability. To leap from “tree rings were narrow” to “twin comets released poisonous gases” is the very definition of bad science: correlation mistaken for causation.

Earthquakes do not come from comets.
Claiming the January 25th, 1348 earthquake was triggered by a comet? Utter nonsense. Tectonic stresses alone explain seismic events. No comet impact has ever been linked to a historic earthquake of this magnitude. Suggesting otherwise is a comic-book-level misunderstanding of geology.

The Black Death was NOT a mysterious lung disease caused by dust.
Medieval plague accounts, DNA evidence, and modern epidemiology overwhelmingly show that Yersinia pestis, transmitted via fleas on rats (and later via pneumonic transmission), caused the epidemic. The idea that “evil space dust” caused lung disease ignores all of this evidence and invents a fantasy pathogen that conveniently fits the comet hypothesis. Real biology does not behave like a Hollywood script.

Global disasters? 
Yes, the 14th century had famines and climate anomalies - but linking them to comets while ignoring well-documented causes like crop failures from the Little Ice Age, floods, and socioeconomic stress is just sloppy hand-waving.

Dismissing rats and fleas as “speculation”?
This is sheer hubris. The vector-based theory of plague is supported by archaeological mass graves, DNA analysis of Yersinia pestis and historical trade patterns. To say it’s “speculation” while promoting comets and poison dust is to prioritise fantasy over evidence.

Bottom line:

This theory is a cocktail of cherry-picked data, misunderstanding of science, and pure invention.

Comets do not make chemical clouds that wipe out Europe for decades.

Tree rings and ice cores do not prove extraterrestrial poisoning.

Earthquakes are tectonic.

Rats, fleas, and Yersinia pestis exist; “poison dust from space” does not.

In short: Your 'theory' is a bedtime story for conspiracy enthusiasts, but a complete embarrassment and the realm of utter idiots to claim this is science...

One thing that never ceases to amaze me, Stiddle, is your talent for reaching new, radioactive depths of pig-ignorant lunacy – this comet-dust garbage isn’t just stupid, it’s lobotomy-level, drool-on-the-floor idiocy, the kind of delusional sewage that makes maggots look like Nobel laureates...

Good to have you back Richard. I wondered why you had been so , well, missing.

 

But you are here and you deserve a reply.

 

Just in case you wondered, I wasn't about in the 1300s. But there were people about who took notice of the  destructive environmental problems that were suddenly thrust upon millions. There are a few essays, articles and books on this era. The one I particularly like is the one mentioned earlier by Prof Mike Baillie. Entitled;

 

New Light on the Black Death

 

If I may, let me quote a little snippet from the book. And the quote is from a scholar in that time: "There were masses of dead fish, animals, and other things along the sea-shore. In many places trees covered in dust." <snip> "All these things seemed to come from the corruption of the sea and earth."

 

Nature works in ways we can't always comprehend. It is sometimes vicious. Sometimes violent.  But it has all the answers we seek.

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Just in case you wondered, I wasn't about in the 1300s.

 

... Though you evidently have a similar absence of understanding of basic physics, chemistry, and epidemiology as someone from the dark ages.... 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

In the link given by Red, Mr Sayer clearly explains the history of Polio and the 'cures' and 'vaccines' along its 200+ year pathway.

Douglas Sayer Ji is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media.

Source: Wikipedia

6 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Douglas Sayer Ji is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media.

Source: Wikipedia

But, is what he is saying accurate? The truth is not always what the authorities say it is. As in exposed in the film by Lilian Franck; Trust WHO.

 

https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/(2018-02-25)-Trust-WHO:0

 

In her book, Dr Suzy Humphries also investigates Polio.

 

https://dissolvingillusions.com

 

There are other studies too.

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

... Though you evidently have a similar absence of understanding of basic physics, chemistry, and epidemiology as someone from the dark ages.... 

Thanks for that Richard. And I thought we could have debate.

 

So full of compliments. Why not shoot the messenger?

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

But, is what he is saying accurate? The truth is not always what the authorities say it is. As in exposed in the film by Lilian Franck; Trust WHO.

 

https://odysee.com/@LongXXvids:c/(2018-02-25)-Trust-WHO:0

 

In her book, Dr Suzy Humphries also investigates Polio.

 

https://dissolvingillusions.com

 

There are other studies too.

What’s nature's answer to the iron lung? 

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

What’s nature's answer to the iron lung? 

There was a pic posted earlier in the topic. Very sad.

 

Nature would have said; ' keep that filthy DDT away from the children.'

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks for that Richard. And I thought we could have debate.

 

So full of compliments. Why not shoot the messenger?

 

Debate requires a shared foundation of reason, evidence, and intellectual honesty. Meaningful discourse becomes impossible with those who cherry-pick misinformation, dress up fringe theories, and parade flawed pseudo-science as fact.

 

There can be no debate with someone so obscurely delusional – just as there can be no serious debate with those who still insist the Earth is not an oblate spheroid.

 

To engage further would not be dialogue, but the dignifying of nonsense with a stage it does not deserve.

43 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There was a pic posted earlier in the topic. Very sad.

 

Nature would have said; ' keep that filthy DDT away from the children.'

 

 

 

The reference to DDT does not address my question.  What is natures answer to the iron lung? 

 

 

BTW….DDT saved lots of lives in the aftermath WW2.