On 9/8/2025 at 12:25 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

When you want bad and unsubstantiated info about polio, where else better to turn than someone who has absolutely no credentials to be commenting on the topic:

 

"Sayer Ji is author of the international best-selling book REGENERATE, chairman of the www.GlobalWellnessForum.org, founder of www.Greenmedinfo.com, and co-founder of www.StandForHealthFreedom.com"

 

https://substack.com/@sayerji

 

OK, so what's Sayer Ji all about?

 

Overall, we rate GreenMedInfo a quackery-level pseudoscience website based on claims not supported by science.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/greenmedinfo/

 

 

 

Overall, we rate Stand for Health Freedom (SHF) as right-biased due to its focus on individual liberties and opposition to government health mandates. We also rate it as questionable due to its use of selective data, omission of mainstream scientific perspectives, and lack of transparency, which contribute to a mixed rating for factual accuracy. [emphasis added]

...

Stand for Health Freedom often downplays or ignores research from mainstream medical authorities. This selective presentation can result in a skewed portrayal, especially regarding vaccines and COVID-19. While raising legitimate concerns about informed consent, its selective use of facts compromises its credibility. Readers should verify claims with credible scientific sources." [emphasis added]

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/stand-for-health-freedom-bias-and-credibility/

 

 

Here's your man, and some more info about him:

 

 

"Douglas Sayer Ji (born October 10, 1972) is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media. [emphasis added][

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The son of a biochemist, Ji obtained a BA in philosophy from Rutgers University in 1995.^[1] He went on to manage an organic food market in Bonita Springs, Florida, after working with camps and facilities for troubled youths. He developed an interest for Zen Buddhism during that period, but stopped short of joining the movement. [emphasis added]

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Ji denies being an anti-vaccination activist, but consistently shares false or misleading messages about vaccine safety and efficacy.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayer_Ji

 

Yikes!!!

No doubt soon to be brought on board by "the nutter on the bus" as a valuable advisor!

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8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

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... Though you evidently have a similar absence of understanding of basic physics, chemistry, and epidemiology as someone from the dark ages.... 

 

Laura Knight-Jadczvk : appreciation of Prof Mark Baillie's book; 'New Light on the Black Death'

 

"There is sufficient data presented in Baillie's book to support the theory that the Black Death was due to an impact by Comet Debris - similar to the impacts on Jupiter by the fragments of Comet Shoemaker-Levy back in 1994. As to exactly how these deaths occurred, there are a number of possibilities: earthquakes, floods (tsunami), rains of fire, chemicals released by the high-energy explosions in the atmosphere, including ammonium and hydrogen cyanide, and possibly even comet born disease pathogens. If it has happened as often as Baillie suggests, it can happen again. And if, as we suspect, the Earth is slated for a bombardment in the not too distant future, it seems that there are more ways to die in such an event than just getting hit by a comet fragment."

 

https://www.academia.edu/40469041/Book_Review_New_Light_on_the_Black_Death_by_Mike_Baillie#title

 

Nature has all the answers.

 

 

8 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Douglas Sayer Ji is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media.

Source: Wikipedia

It never ceases to amaze me, that people instead of looking into the arguments presented, spend time to look up the author {or the channel on which he published his arguments), on biased 'Fact-check' sites, and use that borrowed assessment then as an excuse to dismiss the issue instead of making up their own minds.   

Let me remind you that this is the 'Off the Beaten Track' forum, where compliance with the 'accepted narrative' is NOT a requirement,  Just an open mind to consider and discuss alternative ideas.  

 

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

It never ceases to amaze me, that people instead of looking into the arguments presented, spend time to look up the author {or the channel on which he published his arguments), on biased 'Fact-check' sites, and use that borrowed assessment then as an excuse to dismiss the issue instead of making up their own minds.   

Let me remind you that this is the 'Off the Beaten Track' forum, where compliance with the 'accepted narrative' is NOT a requirement,  Just an open mind to consider and discuss alternative ideas.  

 

Indeed!

 

Shooting the messenger is what many of the sheep revel in.

On 9/8/2025 at 6:27 PM, Stiddle Mump said:

You see Richard, the body can look after itself. It will self-heal. It will take care of itself (me and you) because it - above all - wants to survive and reproduce, Has to be given the right tools mind. So with that as a starting point. I'm pretty much an anti-Big Pharma person. And that obviously includes those unsafe, ineffective and totally unnecessary vaxxes.

 

Of course if one is involved in a serious accident, or has a dagger in one's back, then best to hot foot it to the Hospital Emergency. 

Particularly to receive stitches and those antibiotic jabs against infection, eh!
So much for the body self-healing theory.

2 hours ago, Liquorice said:

Particularly to receive stitches and those antibiotic jabs against infection, eh!
So much for the body self-healing theory.

Stiches have been about for a long time.

 

As I say Sir; if you have an arrow in yer back or a machete in yer head, get to the hospital.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Stiches have been about for a long time.

 

As I say Sir; if you have an arrow in yer back or a machete in yer head, get to the hospital.

Deflecting reply from requiring an anti-biotic jab.
Nature can't heal everything.

10 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Deflecting reply from requiring an anti-biotic jab.
Nature can't heal everything.

Obfuscation. Certainly not everything. But are we talking 'everything'? And obviously nature can arrive late on the scene. Pointless calling the nurse after the guillotine has dropped.

 

We are talking illnesses are we not?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

 

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Pointless calling the nurse after the guillotine has dropped.

Or requesting the Covid vaccine after becoming infected.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/22/us-coronavirus-covid-unvaccinated-hospital-rates-vaccines

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-vaxxer-52-begs-people-to-get-their-jabs-after-almost-dying-over-christmas-135824327.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/09/1035489298/tiktok-covid-vaccination-megan-blankenbiller-hospital

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/03/politics/covid-victims-who-said-no-to-the-vaccine

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Just an open mind to consider and discuss alternative ideas.  

in your case it’s nothing but alternative “facts.”

27 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

in your case it’s nothing but alternative “facts.”

Nope, alternative ideas supported by facts.  

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

We are talking illnesses are we not?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Really!

 

My Father was a British Royal Marine, one of the 'red berets' who served in the jungles of Burma in 1943 alongside the Gurkhas forcing the Japanese to retreat.
He was probably one of the earliest conspiracy theorist, believing all medication was a form of poison, and believed in nature taking its course.
During his military years, he was shot in the leg and temporary blinded by a Japanese snipers bullet that missed by a fraction but burnt the nerves in the back of his eyes.

Tough cookies those these paras, he refused eye drops and any treatment including morphine whilst his leg was stitched.

 

Years later, his visions deteriorated, and he went lame in one leg.
X-rays revealed he still has fragments of a bullet in his leg, which were producing toxins and attacking his nervous system.
Still, he refused any operation or injections to stem the ongoing effects of the toxins.
Age 5, I recall my Mother had to sneak me to the doctors for the usual vaccinations children received, as my Father was opposed to such practices.

 

By age 11 my Father had very limited vision and in a wheelchair.
Whilst I was at school and my Mother at work, one bright sunny day he took himself off to a local park in his wheelchair, dressed in a short-sleeved shirt when the weather suddenly changed, and he was caught in a torrential downpour.

As a result, he caught a cold, which turned into flu, then pleurisy, at which point the GP begged him to go to hospital, but he refused as nature was the natural cure.
It wasn't until he started becoming unconscious that against his wishes he was taken to hospital and there diagnosed with phenomena.
Although they inserted drips, whenever he regained consciousness he'd remove the needles and play hell with the staff.

7 days later he passed away from bronchial phenomena, leaving behind a son, wife, brother and sister to morn.

 

If you believe nature on its own can heal the body, then you're obviously delusional.

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Nope, alternative ideas supported by facts.  

But you don't check the facts beyond what you want to believe.

On 9/10/2025 at 7:42 AM, Red Phoenix said:

When a chronical ill old geezer rambles about the success of his battery of meds and vaccines, that brought him into that condition, I listen.  

If it is someone providing evidence of harms of over-medication and vaccines, I won't. 

 

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Let me remind you that this is the 'Off the Beaten Track' forum, where compliance with the 'accepted narrative' is NOT a requirement,  Just an open mind to consider and discuss alternative ideas.  

Pot, kettle, black.  

Best example yet of only being open-minded to your narrative and not those of others.

i just dropped in.... to see what condition my condition was in .

 

found a really GREAT explanation which covers the tactics of a poster or ten that bring their debatable skills to these topics.   ONE  very notable who surpasses all .   ( most here just use an ad hominem attack or two with an emoji .

 

so ............ "

Pilpul is a word historically used to describe advancing numerous complex arguments to obscure issues and discussions rather than to persuade. It typically takes the form of constant bickering over every point and using bull<deleted> tactics such as strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. This Yiddish word historically described strategies for Talmudic debates that were used to test intellect and persistence. The modern connotation has shed ethnic identification and explains the ubiquitous tactics in today’s Liars’ World.

In a strawman attack, an individual distorts, exaggerates, or misrepresents an opponent’s argument, making it easier to refute. This creates an argument that is easier to knock down and is used to divert attention from the issue. A prime example is, for immigration, a stance against it is stretched to be a stance against all immigration or all non-white immigrants. An ad hominem attack could be that you are part of the MAGA “cult” because of this stance."

 

as for my view on these "vaccinations"  :     if you want them,  go right ahead.    

8 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

It never ceases to amaze me, that people instead of looking into the arguments presented, spend time to look up the author {or the channel on which he published his arguments), on biased 'Fact-check' sites, and use that borrowed assessment then as an excuse to dismiss the issue instead of making up their own minds. 

It never ceases to amaze me that people don't check the qualifications of the author presenting the argument and don't fact-check their assertions for misinformation before posting them on a forum.

57 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Really!

 

My Father was a British Royal Marine, one of the 'red berets' who served in the jungles of Burma in 1943 alongside the Gurkhas forcing the Japanese to retreat.
He was probably one of the earliest conspiracy theorist, believing all medication was a form of poison, and believed in nature taking its course.
During his military years, he was shot in the leg and temporary blinded by a Japanese snipers bullet that missed by a fraction but burnt the nerves in the back of his eyes.

Tough cookies those these paras, he refused eye drops and any treatment including morphine whilst his leg was stitched.

 

Years later, his visions deteriorated, and he went lame in one leg.
X-rays revealed he still has fragments of a bullet in his leg, which were producing toxins and attacking his nervous system.
Still, he refused any operation or injections to stem the ongoing effects of the toxins.
Age 5, I recall my Mother had to sneak me to the doctors for the usual vaccinations children received, as my Father was opposed to such practices.

 

By age 11 my Father had very limited vision and in a wheelchair.
Whilst I was at school and my Mother at work, one bright sunny day he took himself off to a local park in his wheelchair, dressed in a short-sleeved shirt when the weather suddenly changed, and he was caught in a torrential downpour.

As a result, he caught a cold, which turned into flu, then pleurisy, at which point the GP begged him to go to hospital, but he refused as nature was the natural cure.
It wasn't until he started becoming unconscious that against his wishes he was taken to hospital and there diagnosed with phenomena.
Although they inserted drips, whenever he regained consciousness he'd remove the needles and play hell with the staff.

7 days later he passed away from bronchial phenomena, leaving behind a son, wife, brother and sister to morn.

 

If you believe nature on its own can heal the body, then you're obviously delusional.

Interesting.

 

My father was a Chindit. Near the Burma/Thai border.

Just now, Liquorice said:

It never ceases to amaze me that people don't check the qualifications of the author presenting the argument and don't fact-check their assertions for misinformation before posting them on a forum.

The OP links to a guy that wrote a well-informed essay on (see title). I do not agree with him on everything, but he is not just speaking without research. 80 references.

 

This shooting the messenger is infectious.

6 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The OP links to a guy that wrote a well-informed essay on (see title). I do not agree with him on everything, but he is not just speaking without research. 80 references.

 

This shooting the messenger is infectious.

It’s not the number of references that matter, it’s the quality of the reference.  

17 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The OP links to a guy that wrote a well-informed essay on (see title). I do not agree with him on everything, but he is not just speaking without research. 80 references.

Well written essay, not necessarily well-informed essay.

37 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The OP links to a guy that wrote a well-informed essay on (see title). I do not agree with him on everything, but he is not just speaking without research. 80 references.

 

This shooting the messenger is infectious.

And.... Kim Jong Un has almost an entire country that will swear to his miraculous abilities.  Certainly more believable than a mere 80 references on an essay!

 

As other poster's have mentioned.... when it comes to science its quality over quantity.

 

49 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

It never ceases to amaze me that people don't check the qualifications of the author presenting the argument and don't fact-check their assertions for misinformation before posting them on a forum.

To put it bluntly > the qualifications of an author are irrelevant.  It's the quality of the argument that he is presenting that matters.  And this is a well-written and well-researched article and should not be dismissed with 'ad honinem' non-arguments, which are the last resort of those that have no counter-arguments.  

16 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

And.... Kim Jong Un has almost an entire country that will swear to his miraculous abilities.  Certainly more believable than a mere 80 references on an essay!

As other poster's have mentioned.... when it comes to science its quality over quantity.

 

... Then why this obsession with titles, qualifications and peer-reviewed studies.  Let the quality of the arguments presented be the determining factor whether his arguments are valid, sound and believable. 

9 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

Laura Knight-Jadczvk : appreciation of Prof Mark Baillie's book; 'New Light on the Black Death'

 

"There is sufficient data presented in Baillie's book to support the theory that the Black Death was due to an impact by Comet Debris - similar to the impacts on Jupiter by the fragments of Comet Shoemaker-Levy back in 1994.

 

No there isn't - the argument presented by Prof Makr Braille suggests that “cosmic” influences (such as meteor/comet events) might have had environmental effects (atmospheric, etc.) that could contribute to the disease’s [Bubonic Plague] severity or spread - not cause it.

 

9 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As to exactly how these deaths occurred, there are a number of possibilities: earthquakes, floods (tsunami), rains of fire, chemicals released by the high-energy explosions in the atmosphere, including ammonium and hydrogen cyanide, and possibly even comet born disease pathogens.

 

... or the Bubonic Plague as clear and scientifically unrefuted evidence proves...  

 

9 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

If it has happened as often as Baillie suggests, it can happen again. And if, as we suspect, the Earth is slated for a bombardment in the not too distant future, it seems that there are more ways to die in such an event than just getting hit by a comet fragment."

 

https://www.academia.edu/40469041/Book_Review_New_Light_on_the_Black_Death_by_Mike_Baillie#title

 

Indeed there are...  viruses !

 

9 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Nature has all the answers.

 

No it doesn't - which is why Medical Intervention and development has saved billions of lives.

 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

To put it bluntly > the qualifications of an author are irrelevant.  It's the quality of the argument that he is presenting that matters.  And this is a well-written and well-researched article and should not be dismissed with 'ad honinem' non-arguments, which are the last resort of those that have no counter-arguments.  

I gave a counterargument, you just chose to ignore it and deflect with another question.

2 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

I gave a counterargument, you just chose to ignore it and deflect with another question.

Your counter-argument was to 'check the qualifications of the author', which has nothing to do with the quality of the arguments he presents in this article. 

On 9/8/2025 at 1:00 PM, simon43 said:

One of the few places where polio still exists is in backward, goat-shagging regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Muslim village leaders  deny access to nurses to enter villages to vaccinate the kids against polio because ....... (well I don't know why - perhaps these men have been brainwashed by Red Phoenix's posts....after all, if these men are sharing only 1 brain cell between them, then thats a possibility!)

Can it be spread through goats?

38 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Your counter-argument was to 'check the qualifications of the author', which has nothing to do with the quality of the arguments he presents in this article. 

The quality of the argument is immaterial, if it's fictitious and can't be substantiated.
The scientific arguments disprove some of your conspiracy theories, yet you choose to ignore it.

On 9/8/2025 at 12:05 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Why Trump is Wrong About the Polio Vaccine: It is Far From Amazing

Great article by Sayer Ji, explaining in full detail why Trump's recent praise of the polio vaccine is flat out wrong (looks like Trump is being played again by Bill Gates 'of Hell') 

 

 

Source: https://sayerji.substack.com/p/why-trump-is-wrong-about-the-polio

 

"Look, you have some vaccines that are so amazing. The polio vaccine, I happen to think is amazing," President Donald Trump declared on 5 September, echoing the words of Bill Gates, which had been given a prominent platform at a White House dinner just days earlier."

...

In mainstream tellings, polio was a terrifying viral scourge eliminated by Salk and Sabin's "miracle" vaccines, and today we are on the cusp of eradicating it globally if everyone would just comply. Gates himself never misses a chance to repeat that polio cases have dropped 99% since 1988 "thanks to mass vaccination campaigns". The polio vaccine, we're told, is "not controversial" -- a model of safe, effective medicine that no sane person could oppose. Trump echoed exactly this sentiment, urging that "vaccines that work...they're not controversial at all...those vaccines should be used"¹. But this rosy narrative is far from the full story. In fact, it's flat-out wrong on multiple counts:

,,,

Trump's newfound parroting of Gates's polio talking points is therefore not a triumph of bipartisanship -- it's a dangerous re-centering of a narrative that desperately needs to be challenged."

 

In this very well researched article Sayer Ji breaks down each myth and reveals what the real polio story looks like.  The article can be accessed here > 

https://sayerji.substack.com/p/why-trump-is-wrong-about-the-polio

 

Mod's note: post content shortened to comply with fair use quoting.

 

 

From your link

 

Polio was not simply a contagious virus attacking at random -- it was frequently a byproduct of industrial toxins (like pesticides such as DDT and arsenic) and other environmental factors, not a germ magically vanquished by a shot.

 

Polio was identified in 1840.  DDT was first synthesized in 1874, and did not see wide use until 1939.  The timeline does not match.