‘China Fueling World's Move Away from Fossil Fuels Says Report

[Alan Zweibel]

Since the beginning of the industrial age, the global economy has required more and more fossil fuels — coal, oil and gas — to power growth.
It is increasingly clear, however, that China’s aggressive efforts to sell batteries, solar panels and wind turbines to the world is on course to bring that era to an end, a new report says. The Chinese dominance of clean-energy industries is “creating the conditions for a decline in fossil fuel use,” according to a report by Ember, a research group focused on the prospects for clean-energy technologies.

The report includes a sprawling set of data to support its claim.

https://archive.ph/kRVro#selection-699.0-699.65

[blaze master]

 

Moving away from fossil fuels etc is definitely a good idea and needed. However its not so simple....

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFc&pp=ygUUbGFuZG1lbiBjbGVhbiBlbmVyZ3k%3D

[richard_smith237]

Hardly plateau... China's coal consumption also hit a record high in 2023, reaching 4.88 billion tonnes representing over half of the global total.

 

Production is concentrated in Inner Mongolia, Shanxi, Shaanxi, and Xinjiang, with these four provinces accounting for 80% of the country's coal output.

 

China is actively developing new coal mine capacity, with an estimated 1,280 million tonnes per annum of new capacity under development.

 

 

 

[Alan Zweibel]

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Hardly plateau... China's coal consumption also hit a record high in 2023, reaching 4.88 billion tonnes representing over half of the global total.

 

Production is concentrated in Inner Mongolia, Shanxi, Shaanxi, and Xinjiang, with these four provinces accounting for 80% of the country's coal output.

 

China is actively developing new coal mine capacity, with an estimated 1,280 million tonnes per annum of new capacity under development.

 

 

 

From the article:

  But last year, China met 84 percent of its electricity demand growth with solar and wind power, according to the report. That meant it was able to cut fossil fuel use by 2 percent, despite a growing demand for power...

China is still building dozens of new coal-burning power plants, he said, but instead of running constantly like many existing ones, they might be at full capacity only during peaks in energy demand. Meanwhile, the contribution of wind and solar to the grid was quickly growing, he said.

“Coal is increasingly acting like training wheels,” said Yuan Jiahai, a professor at North China Electric Power University. “It provides balance and backup while the clean electricity system gains strength and confidence.”

[Alan Zweibel]

42 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Moving away from fossil fuels etc is definitely a good idea and needed. However its not so simple....

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fmbZwxEnAFc&pp=ygUUbGFuZG1lbiBjbGVhbiBlbmVyZ3k%3D

From what I can see without viewing, these are the words of a fictional character written by someone who creates TV series. Why should I watch this? I suspect his speech makes no reference to the rapid rise of battery storage  thanks to their precipitous decline in cost. And other storage solutions as well. Also the rise of geothermal power thanks, ironically enough, to the technological achievements of frackers. And there are other sources coming online as well.

[blaze master]

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

From what I can see without viewing, these are the words of a fictional character written by someone who creates TV series. Why should I watch this? I suspect his speech makes no reference to the rapid rise of battery storage  thanks to their precipitous decline in cost. And other storage solutions as well. Also the rise of geothermal power thanks, ironically enough, to the technological achievements of frackers. And there are other sources coming online as well.

 

Ok.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Since the beginning of the industrial age, the global economy has required more and more fossil fuels — coal, oil and gas — to power growth.
It is increasingly clear, however, that China’s aggressive efforts to sell batteries, solar panels and wind turbines to the world is on course to bring that era to an end, a new report says. The Chinese dominance of clean-energy industries is “creating the conditions for a decline in fossil fuel use,” according to a report by Ember, a research group focused on the prospects for clean-energy technologies.

The report includes a sprawling set of data to support its claim.

https://archive.ph/kRVro#selection-699.0-699.65

Thanks to the usual Chinese m.o.

- subsidise R&D and register as many patents as possible;

- subsidise market demand and impose regulations in order to reach a high level of economies of scale in production;

- use low prices allowed by mass production to overflow the world with cheaper products, and reach a higher level of economies of scale (and also possibly subsidise production for exports).

[emptypockets]

Everything China does is with strategic intent.

They became the world's factory and decimated manufacturing in many countries.

They will do the same with power/ electricity. Get the world hooked on solar and wind, then bam, turn off power production remotely.

Many covert communication systems have been found in Chinese inverters already. Flick of a software switch and no more power.

 

Hope the happy campers who own Chinese made EV's realise that their driving habits and probably voices are all being fed back to the CCP.

[Yagoda]

Renewables will never replace fossil fuel so it is in the interest of China to promote Renewables and perpetuate the climate change hoax so as to deprive the west of the power they need to satisfy the industrialization and the AI revolution. While China is actively promoting the green new scam, they are building all sorts of fossil fuel power plants. China's goal is a destruction of the West and the reimposition of the Middle Kingdom as the most powerful country on earth, indeed, they seek world domination. The green new scam and Renewables is part of their War efforts

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, candide said:

Thanks to the usual Chinese m.o.

- subsidise R&D and register as many patents as possible;

- subsidise market demand and impose regulations in order to reach a high level of economies of scale in production;

- use low prices allowed by mass production to overflow the world with cheaper products, and reach a higher level of economies of scale (and also possibly subsidise production for exports).

The usual Chinese mo is to steal technology and other people's research.

[VocalNeal]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

While China is actively promoting the green new scam,

 

Well they've got lots into electric cars🤔

[richard_smith237]

55 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

From the article:

  But last year, China met 84 percent of its electricity demand growth with solar and wind power, according to the report. That meant it was able to cut fossil fuel use by 2 percent, despite a growing demand for power...

China is still building dozens of new coal-burning power plants, he said, but instead of running constantly like many existing ones, they might be at full capacity only during peaks in energy demand. Meanwhile, the contribution of wind and solar to the grid was quickly growing, he said.

“Coal is increasingly acting like training wheels,” said Yuan Jiahai, a professor at North China Electric Power University. “It provides balance and backup while the clean electricity system gains strength and confidence.”

 

Fact check your information - China's power consumption Coal remains dominant, accounting for over half of China’s electricity generation - typically between 56% and 61%.

[KhunLA]

CN leading the way on mass producing affordable products for alternative use of fossil fuels.  Solar system components & EV has eliminated out need and use of fossil fuel, on a personal level, unless O&A.

 

Which is the fault of the govt, still cozying up to FF industry.  Slowly breaking away, or trying to, and a work in progress.

 

Kudos to CN for that.

 

Shame on the govts, such as USA, for blocking that availability in their countries.  Consumers paying the price, and yet, they still re-elect the idiots.  Ignorance is Bliss.    Can't fix stupid 😎

 

 My brothers & friends who know about our Solar & BEVs, my independence and freedom from depending on FF hate that solar systems & BEV are crap and or overpriced in the USA.

[Alan Zweibel]

27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Fact check your information - China's power consumption Coal remains dominant, accounting for over half of China’s electricity generation - typically between 56% and 61%.

What makes you think that I need to do a fact check? Do you think that this "But last year, China met 84 percent of its electricity demand growth with solar and wind power, according to the report. That meant it was able to cut fossil fuel use by 2 percent, despite a growing demand for power..." is somehow incompatible with your statement?

 

[richard_smith237]

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

What makes you think that I need to do a fact check? Do you think that this "But last year, China met 84 percent of its electricity demand growth with solar and wind power, according to the report. That meant it was able to cut fossil fuel use by 2 percent, despite a growing demand for power..." is somehow incompatible with your statement?

 

Because you've chosen to beleive 'one' report out of China, while all other information contradicts this....     China has not met 84% of its electricity / power demand with Solar and Wind..   the report you posted is a complete fabrication - almost political propaganda.

 

This is China's energy breakdown: 

Energy Source vs Share of Electricity Generation

- Coal:    ~56–61%

- Natural Gas / Oil:    ~3–4%

- Nuclear:    ~4–5%

- Hydropower:    ~13–15%

- Wind:    ~9–10%

- Solar:   ~8–12% (short-term spike seen in 2024–2025)

- Bioenergy / Other Renewables:   ~2%

 

 

At best Wind and Solar have produced 22% of China's energy - this is a far cry from the claims of 84%...  

 

 

 

 

 

https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/People's_Republic_of_China

 

https://ideas.energy/china-2024

 

https://globalenergyprize.org/en/2024/05/17/coal-accounts-for-more-than-half-of-chinas-power-consumption-growth

 

https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/China

 

 

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Because you've chosen to beleive 'one' report out of China, while all other information contradicts this....     China has not met 84% of its electricity / power demand with Solar and Wind..   the report you posted is a complete fabrication - almost political propaganda.

 

This is China's energy breakdown: 

Energy Source vs Share of Electricity Generation

- Coal:    ~56–61%

- Natural Gas / Oil:    ~3–4%

- Nuclear:    ~4–5%

- Hydropower:    ~13–15%

- Wind:    ~9–10%

- Solar:   ~8–12% (short-term spike seen in 2024–2025)

- Bioenergy / Other Renewables:   ~2%

 

 

At best Wind and Solar have produced 22% of China's energy - this is a far cry from the claims of 84%...  

 

 

 

 

 

https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/People's_Republic_of_China

 

https://ideas.energy/china-2024

 

https://globalenergyprize.org/en/2024/05/17/coal-accounts-for-more-than-half-of-chinas-power-consumption-growth

 

https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/China

 

 

The source cited in the OP are shills for the Greenies.

[BLMFem]

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The source cited in the OP are shills for the Greenies.

Yes, let's defend ourself against "the Greenies", the most sinister bunch of people you'll ever meet!🤣

Seriously buddy, is there no subject that can give your pearls a rest?

[Alan Zweibel]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Because you've chosen to beleive 'one' report out of China, while all other information contradicts this....     China has not met 84% of its electricity / power demand with Solar and Wind..   the report you posted is a complete fabrication - almost political propaganda.

 

This is China's energy breakdown: 

Energy Source vs Share of Electricity Generation

- Coal:    ~56–61%

- Natural Gas / Oil:    ~3–4%

- Nuclear:    ~4–5%

- Hydropower:    ~13–15%

- Wind:    ~9–10%

- Solar:   ~8–12% (short-term spike seen in 2024–2025)

- Bioenergy / Other Renewables:   ~2%

 

 

At best Wind and Solar have produced 22% of China's energy - this is a far cry from the claims of 84%...  

 

 

 

 

 

https://lowcarbonpower.org/region/People's_Republic_of_China

 

https://ideas.energy/china-2024

 

https://globalenergyprize.org/en/2024/05/17/coal-accounts-for-more-than-half-of-chinas-power-consumption-growth

 

https://www.eia.gov/international/content/analysis/countries_long/China

 

 

The article does not say China is getting 84% of its electricity demand from solar and wind. Try reading it again.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, let's defend ourself against "the Greenies", the most sinister bunch of people you'll ever meet!🤣

You must therefore share their agenda

[Alan Zweibel]

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The source cited in the OP are shills for the Greenies.

You've done nothing but make claims without providing any backup evidence. Why should any care for the comments of someone who just offers empty opinions?

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

“creating the conditions for a decline in fossil fuel use,”

 

Yeah. Right. A Greenie organization shilling for a dictatorial, murderous, racust, aggressive country that is one of the worst polluters in the world. Convert the West to renewables while China laughs and burns coal and wood.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You've done nothing but make claims without providing any backup evidence. Why should any care for the comments of someone who just offers empty opinions?

Sorry I cant open your eyes or teach you to do basic research, but you should check your sources before you spew your propaganda.

 

Why should anyone care for the comments of someone who just spews propaganda?

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The article does not say China is getting 84% of its electricity demand from solar and wind. Try reading it again.

 

Fair point on the demand growth... 

 

However, the difference is stark and deliberate:

- Electricity demand growth pertains solely to the additional electricity required compared to the previous year - driven by factors such as increased residential consumption, industrial expansion, and the proliferation of electric vehicles.

- Energy demand, however, encompasses all forms of energy consumption, including oil, coal, natural gas, renewables, and nuclear power.

 

In 2024, clean electricity sources - primarily wind and solar - accounted for 84% of China's electricity demand growth, a notable increase from 47% in the previous decade.

 

Yet, this statistic is profoundly misleading. It conveniently omits China's substantial and growing reliance on coal. In 2024, China initiated the construction of 94.5 gigawatts of new coal-fired power capacity - the highest in a decade.

 

Simultaneously, coal consumption increased by 1.7%, and coal imports reached a record high of 542.7 million metric tons.

 

This juxtaposition of rapid renewable expansion with an unabated coal build-out paints a misleading picture of China's energy landscape. While wind and solar are indeed growing, they are not supplanting coal; rather, they are being added alongside it.

 

The narrative that China's renewable energy efforts are significantly displacing fossil fuels is, at best, an oversimplification.

In essence, highlighting that wind and solar met 84% of electricity demand growth without acknowledging the simultaneous surge in coal infrastructure is not only selective reporting but also intellectually dishonest.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

The usual Chinese mo is to steal technology and other people's research.

Not for this particular business., nor for EV, nor for 5G/6G, etc..

[Yagoda]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

intellectually dishonest.

Here is inellectual homesty:

 

1. you cant run a modern economy on renewables

2. The climate change crisis, net zero, climate disaster, is a lie for political reasons.

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Not for this particular business. 

What does that mean?

[candide]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What does that mean?

It means that stealing knowledge has been their m.o. for established technologies, but that they have invested in their own technologies for new technologies, such as solar panels, EVs, new generations of telecom equipment, etc...  Keep up to date...

[Yagoda]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

It means that stealing knowledge has been their m.o. for established technologies, but that they have invested in their own technologies for new technologies, such as solar panels, EVs, new generations of telecom equipment, etc...  Keep up to date...

Your allegation is that China has not stolen renewable energy technology? All the advances are solely from the genius of the brilliant Han civilization?

[Lacessit]

43 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, let's defend ourself against "the Greenies", the most sinister bunch of people you'll ever meet!🤣

Seriously buddy, is there no subject that can give your pearls a rest?

He/she/it is running out of blue rinse.

[candide]

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your allegation is that China has not stolen renewable energy technology? All the advances are solely from the genius of the brilliant Han civilization?

They may have stolen some of it, but it's not the main point. The main point is that China uses its huge market to reach high levels of economies of scale in a certain number of new businesses. For solar panels, they may produce around 80% of the world production.