2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Several pharmaceutical companies are also pursuing mRNA vaccines and treatments for cancer, and a number of clincial trials are underway. "Cancer cells will often have certain surface markers that the rest of the cells in your body don't have," says Blakney. “You can train your immune system to recognise and kill those cells, just like you can train your immune system to recognise and kill a virus: it's the same idea, you just figure out what proteins are on the surface of your tumour cells and use that as a vaccine."

I do not agree with this one little bit.

 

I have written extensively on 'cancer' and I contend that it is the body that creates 'cancer' to self-protect.

 

The future to stopping all illness and sicknesses is open health dialog, and an appreciation of nature. For it is nature where we all started. It has all the answers and is our destiny.

Just now, Des1 said:

Yes, if the messenger is an idiot

 

So riddle me this...  Who funds those studies?  Or doesn't...

 

And in ancient lore, who gets to call the tune?

 

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I do not agree with this one little bit.

 

I have written extensively on 'cancer' and I contend that it is the body that creates 'cancer' to self-protect.

 

The future to stopping all illness and sicknesses is open health dialog, and an appreciation of nature. For it is nature where we all started. It has all the answers and is our destiny.

Well, I appreciate your endeaver, for sure taking a stand againts traditional "western" medical. I get it. It's a hard road.

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So riddle me this...  Who funds those studies?  Or doesn't...

 

And in ancient lore, who gets to call the tune?

 

Oh God,give me a break

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

How do you know; the gains FAR OUTWEIGH the risks? Because Big Pharma says so? Because compromised health professionals say so? Because know-nothing, say-nothing white -coats shut their gobs because they are on a good earner. They should be looking after their patient's  health rather than their bank balance.

 

The whole system is rotten to the core.

I therefore should accept the word of unqualified commentators and conspiracy theorists on the internet over professionals?

True, professionals don't always get it right, perhaps in the next life everything will be perfect. Unfortunately not in this one.

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The Importance Of Pediatric Vaccinations

Should new borns get Hepatitis vaccines? If so why?

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I do not agree with this one little bit.

 

I have written extensively on 'cancer' and I contend that it is the body that creates 'cancer' to self-protect.

 

The future to stopping all illness and sicknesses is open health dialog, and an appreciation of nature. For it is nature where we all started. It has all the answers and is our destiny.

 

Ok, fair enough.

Maybe you know something I don't. 

 

8 minutes ago, Des1 said:

Oh God,give me a break

 

Still no answer...  Who funds the studies?

 

 

18 minutes ago, Des1 said:

Well, I appreciate your endeaver, for sure taking a stand againts traditional "western" medical. I get it. It's a hard road.

Thanks Sir. A respectful post. I appreciate that.

 

It is a stony road for sure. The 'Modern Medical Establishments' have cemented themselves in position for 120 years. Nature has been sent back to the dark ages.

 

Fortunately, there is now such a thing as the www. When I was at medical school, the only way to research, was to spend hours in the appropriate libraries. In saying that, there are still shelves of research docs and data, that have not been digitalised. Access to much of this is not open. The US military is especially secretive. As is the UK. For example; getting the actual nitty-gritty on Thalidomide was a nightmare. And the WHO's role in in all.

 

I support truth. There is little possibility of truth being revealed if the establishment only allows one side to be see.

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Should new borns get Hepatitis vaccines? If so why?

 

You'd probably be giving the answer away if you specified the hepatitis that's only spread through sexual contact...

 

9 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

I therefore should accept the word of unqualified commentators and conspiracy theorists on the internet over professionals?

True, professionals don't always get it right, perhaps in the next life everything will be perfect. Unfortunately not in this one.

 

You don't have believe a word I say. Although, you should take note and get a different perspective. Research for yourself. Not always easy though.

 

Modern medicine = follow the money.

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You'd probably be giving the answer away if you specified the hepatitis that's only spread through sexual contact...

 

Sorry. It's Hep B. Question still stands should newborn babies be getting Hep B vaccines?

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You don't have believe a word I say. Although, you should take note and get a different perspective. Research for yourself. Not always easy though.

 

Modern medicine = follow the money.

full of BS

37 minutes ago, Des1 said:

Well, excuse me for not giving credence to your obvious superior knowledge, so much more than people who have spent years studing biochemestry, what the f**k do they know

 

I don't know about them, but the very first thing I learned when I got a job as an engineer is who signs my paychecks.  That trumped almost every bit of the science I learned at school.  Sucks, I know.  But that's how it works in the real world.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

I don't know about them, but the very first thing I learned when I got a job as an engineer is who signs my paychecks.  That trumped almost every bit of the science I learned at school.  Sucks, I know.  But that's how it works in the real world.

 

 

 

so sad

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry. It's Hep B. Question still stands should newborn babies be getting Hep B vaccines?

Preggers ladies. Babes. Toddlers. Kids. And children under the age of 18 shouldn't have ANY vaccine. After that age (18+) people should be able to decide for themselves.

 

In fact most medicine is harmful. Keep the kids away from it.

3 minutes ago, Des1 said:

so sad

 

Still no answer.  Nothing relevant. 

 

Who funds the studies that say the vaccines are safe and effective?

 

Just now, impulse said:

 

Still no answer.  Nothing relevant. 

 

Who funds the studies that say the vaccines are safe and effective?

 

The answer is absolutely relvant

6 minutes ago, Des1 said:

full of BS

BS! Say why Des buddy.

 

What have I said that IYO is BS?

 

Let's debate. I'm here for you, and all the others, that might want a different perspective on health. Instead of swallowing the Big Pharma nonsense hook line and sinker.

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You don't have believe a word I say. Although, you should take note and get a different perspective. Research for yourself. Not always easy though.

 

Modern medicine = follow the money.

You are assuming I haven't done my research. I don't listen to unqualified voices on the internet. I would have thought that was obvious in any other context. 

Just because 'big pharma' dominates the manufacture and distribution of drugs doesn't mean vaccine verification procedures are compromised by them. They aren't.

 

Also, plenty of honest, decent people who care about quality, working in modern medicine. Some great work being done on a daily basis to combat the health challenges that face us all. 

12 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I don't know about them, but the very first thing I learned when I got a job as an engineer is who signs my paychecks.  That trumped almost every bit of the science I learned at school.  Sucks, I know.  But that's how it works in the real world.

 

 

 

omg ...such bs when someone tells us how things really are...zzzzzzz

26 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry. It's Hep B. Question still stands should newborn babies be getting Hep B vaccines?

 

The answers are not hard to find, for anyone who really bothers to look or care:

 

"Hepatitis B is a hearty virus that causes serious infections in humans. It can lead to liver disease and liver cancer. It lives in the blood and body fluids of an infected person, but it can also survive on surfaces for up to a week. Hepatitis B infection can cause either short-term (up to six months) or life-long problems, but it always wreaks havoc.

 

Why do kids need Hep B vaccine?
The younger someone is when they get hepatitis B disease, the worse the consequences. Kids don’t show symptoms like adults do. If infected at a young age kids are more likely to go undiagnosed and become a chronic carrier of the virus. Chronic carriers have lifelong problems and issues from this infection.

 

Newborns need a vaccine, why?
Infected mothers can pass the virus on to their babies during childbirth, so it’s important for all babies to be vaccinated in case the mother doesn’t know that she has this virus in her blood. Too many babies have caught Hepatitis B this way, so now they are all vaccinated. Even one baby getting this disease at birth is too many!

I don’t engage in “risky” behaviors, so I don’t need to worry...right?
Hepatitis B is spread through blood and body fluids, but this virus can survive outside the body for a week. This means up to 7 days after someone has left blood on something, such as, playground equipment, a water bottle, a school desk, any surface; it can be picked up through an opening in the skin or eyes of another person — a person who isn’t “at risk.” Just because you don’t participate in risky behavior, like having multiple sex partners or injecting IV drugs, doesn’t mean that you can’t catch this disease. Some other people at higher risk are diabetics and health care workers. [emphasis added]

 

https://med.umich.edu/1libr/IMMS/RecommendHepBUM.pdf

 

2 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

You are assuming I haven't done my research. I don't listen to unqualified voices on the internet. I would have thought that was obvious in any other context. 

Just because 'big pharma' dominates the manufacture and distribution of drugs doesn't mean vaccine verification procedures are compromised by them. They aren't.

 

Also, plenty of honest, decent people who care about quality, working in modern medicine. Some great work being done on a daily basis to combat the health challenges that face us all. 

I'm not assuming you have not done any research Sir. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is different to what you would normally hear. That doesn't make me wrong; does it? And I can back my claims up. Try me?

 

I'll say the following truth; Modern Medicine has got it completely and utterly wrong. There are root causes for all illness and sickness. Modern Medicine (Big Pharma) does not address those. Why should it. a healthy customer is no good for business. So why not make people sick? Good idea that. Let's lessen symptoms, and restrict the body's attempt to self-heal. Then we have a customer for life.

 

Cancer is a good example. There are reasons for all cancers. Get to the root causes, rather  than deal with the problem when it's often too late.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

2 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

You are assuming I haven't done my research. I don't listen to unqualified voices on the internet. I would have thought that was obvious in any other context. 

Just because 'big pharma' dominates the manufacture and distribution of drugs doesn't mean vaccine verification procedures are compromised by them. They aren't.

 

Also, plenty of honest, decent people who care about quality, working in modern medicine. Some great work being done on a daily basis to combat the health challenges that face us all. 

I'm not assuming you have not done any research Sir. I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is different to what you would normally hear. That doesn't make me wrong; does it? And I can back my claims up. Try me?

 

I'll say the following truth; Modern Medicine has got it completely and utterly wrong. There are root causes for all illness and sickness. Modern Medicine (Big Pharma) does not address those. Why should it. a healthy customer is no good for business. So why not make people sick? Good idea that. Let's lessen symptoms, and restrict the body's attempt to self-heal. Then we have a customer for life.

 

Cancer is a good example. There are reasons for all cancers. Get to the root causes, rather  than deal with the problem when it's often too late.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

BS! Say why Des buddy.

 

What have I said that IYO is BS?

 

Let's debate. I'm here for you, and all the others, that might want a different perspective on health. Instead of swallowing the Big Pharma nonsense hook line and sinker.

Well, I just came back from something to eat, confronted by this army of true believers.Oh My.

So does "BIG PHARMA include everyone in the medical community? i just want to get that clear.

god help any of them actually trying to do good. perhaps they do good by mistake?

2 minutes ago, Des1 said:

Well, I just came back from something to eat, confronted by this army of true believers.Oh My.

So does "BIG PHARMA include everyone in the medical community? i just want to get that clear.

god help any of them actually trying to do good. perhaps they do good by mistake?

Big Pharma is an umbrella term for the Modern Medicine Establishment. It is controlled by big money. And has precious little to do with public health. Just a huge money making business.

 

Of course there are some white-coats who do good. I've met some. But on the flip-side, I've also met plenty who check their bank balances every day.

 

Hard to convince a white-coat that he is wrong when his pay check depends on him staying dumb.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Big Pharma is an umbrella term for the Modern Medicine Establishment. It is controlled by big money. And has precious little to do with public health. Just a huge money making business.

 

Of course there are some white-coats who do good. I've met some. But on the flip-side, I've also met plenty who check their bank balances every day.

 

Hard to convince a white-coat that he is wrong when his pay check depends on him staying dumb.

 

 

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

44 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Still no answer.  Nothing relevant. 

 

Who funds the studies that say the vaccines are safe and effective?

 

 

Just now, Des1 said:

 

Aliens

 

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Big Pharma is an umbrella term for the Modern Medicine Establishment. It is controlled by big money. And has precious little to do with public health. Just a huge money making business.

 

Of course there are some white-coats who do good. I've met some. But on the flip-side, I've also met plenty who check their bank balances every day.

 

Hard to convince a white-coat that he is wrong when his pay check depends on him staying dumb.

 

 

zzzzzzzzzzzz