September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: I said I don't think Kirk's assassination should be celebrated. Vehemently disagreeing with someone who is killed is not the same as celebrating their death. If the people who were fired or expelled from school were publicly celebrating Kirk's death, I'll reluctantly accept that, but I think it's way too much of a punishment. People who do things like this in political circumstances are extreme right- or left-wing, but I am concerned that actions like this will dampen free speech in our country. If you owned a company and found out you had an employee was posting support for the KKK in their social medial account, would you fire them? What if they were also spouting off at work? How does it dampen free speech?
September 17, 2025Sep 17 6 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Thank you for acknowledging the way I express myself here on the forums, but I'm sure not everyone agrees with you. 🤭 Above, you say you think "There is something unusually repellent about a human being celebrating another human being's death. And I think it is legitimate for those people to face employment consequences." Let's see if you change your mind about that if Robinson is convicted, sentenced to death, and the day comes when he faces a firing squad (the method of execution in Utah). I expect that there will be many right-wingers "dancing in the streets" then. 😞 Will you? Well, there is a clear difference. Charlie Kirk did not kill a father of two children. Tylor Robinson, if he does face the firing squad, will do so because he killed the father of two children. That is quite a crucial difference. In the case of real, despicable criminals, :I think some relief is allowed, though even then I do not think right wingers will dance in the street to celebrate his death. I don't think they do that, it's more of a leftist or middle eastern thing. I think with Robinson, and his homosexual furry/trans love thing, Armed Queers of Salt Lake City, then these young college students dancing singing "Homie got shot in the head", right wingers are more apoplectic with disgust and shock, that such things even exist.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 4 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Thank you for acknowledging the way I express myself here on the forums, but I'm sure not everyone agrees with you. 🤭 Above, you say you think "There is something unusually repellent about a human being celebrating another human being's death. And I think it is legitimate for those people to face employment consequences." Let's see if you change your mind about that if Robinson is convicted, sentenced to death, and the day comes when he faces a firing squad (the method of execution in Utah). I expect that there will be many right-wingers "dancing in the streets" then. 😞 Will you? Cameroni should have said celebrating murder. Execution is not murder. How many people celebrated Bin-Ladin's death, ot the death or enemy combatants? Not everyone, to be sure, but it's not the same thing.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: If you owned a company and found out you had an employee was posting support for the KKK in their social medial account, would you fire them? What if they were also spouting off at work? How does it dampen free speech? I would not fire an employee for posts I didn't like on their social media accounts, or if they were marching in the streets waving signs over their head. I would warn and, if necessary, eventually fire an employee if they continually discussed topics with other employees that disturbed them and interfered with their work. Free speech is publicly expressing your opinion on something, as long as you're not advocating violence. Punishing people for posting their opinions on their social media accounts is, IMO, an attempt to dampen free speech you don't agree with.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 11 minutes ago, Cameroni said: Well, there is a clear difference. Charlie Kirk did not kill a father of two children. Tylor Robinson, if he does face the firing squad, will do so because he killed the father of two children. That is quite a crucial difference. In the case of real, despicable criminals, :I think some relief is allowed, though even then I do not think right wingers will dance in the street to celebrate his death. I don't think they do that, it's more of a leftist or middle eastern thing. I think with Robinson, and his homosexual furry/trans love thing, Armed Queers of Salt Lake City, then these young college students dancing singing "Homie got shot in the head", right wingers are more apoplectic with disgust and shock, that such things even exist. First of all, I don't think Kirk's marriage and fatherhood of two children have any relevance here. Secondly, above you say, " In the case of real, despicable criminals, :I think some relief is allowed..." That's exactly the excuse Robinson is alleged to have made in his alleged assassination of Kirk. He is alleged to have written, "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out." And lastly, you could say Robinson allegedly did the same thing to Kirk in an effort to protect his trans partner that Kirk would have done to Robinson if he had endangered his two boys.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 3 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I would not fire an employee for posts I didn't like on their social media accounts, or if they were marching in the streets waving signs over their head. I would warn and, if necessary, eventually fire an employee if they continually discussed topics with other employees that disturbed them and interfered with their work. Free speech is publicly expressing your opinion on something, as long as you're not advocating violence. Punishing people for posting their opinions on their social media accounts is, IMO, an attempt to dampen free speech you don't agree with. Faie enough. You would allow an employee that publicly supported the KKK to remain in your employ, I would not. By disallowing an employer from firing an employee that supported the KKK, are you not infringing on the free speech rights of the employer?
September 17, 2025Sep 17 16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: Cameroni should have said celebrating murder. Execution is not murder. How many people celebrated Bin-Ladin's death, ot the death or enemy combatants? Not everyone, to be sure, but it's not the same thing. It's the same thing if you think the person who was killed/executed was a danger to you and your family.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: It's the same thing if you think the person who was killed/executed was a danger to you and your family. No. It could possibly be that same thing if the person killed was actually a danger to you and or your family.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, Yellowtail said: Faie enough. You would allow an employee that publicly supported the KKK to remain in your employ, I would not. By disallowing an employer from firing an employee that supported the KKK, are you not infringing on the free speech rights of the employer? Would you allow an employee who publicly supported the Democrat Party to remain in your employ? How about one who stated they were a socialist or communist? When does using your ability to hire and fire interfere with the free speech rights of the workers? Where is the line they dare not cross? I do think employers have free speech rights and can even use their business to support different political issues, but I don't think the business itself has any free speech rights. But that's just my opinion on this, and, as you know, I'm a far-left liberal and fully endorse free speech. I know the right does not, and wants to limit the free speech and actions of everyone with whom they disagree.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: No. It could possibly be that same thing if the person killed was actually a danger to you and or your family. Even I, who is not celebrating Kirk's death, can understand why Robinson would rightfully think Kirk was a danger to his trans partner - his family.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Even I, who is not celebrating Kirk's death, can understand why Robinson would rightfully think Kirk was a danger to his trans partner - his family. How was kirk a danger to his trans partner?
September 17, 2025Sep 17 5 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Even I, who is not celebrating Kirk's death, can understand why Robinson would rightfully think Kirk was a danger to his trans partner - his family. This is what you people on the left do. It’s always, I’m against murder, but……
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: How was kirk a danger to his trans partner? Lefties are weirdos
September 17, 2025Sep 17 Just now, TedG said: This is what you people on the left do. It’s always, I’m against murder, but…… Words are just words. Lefties want to stop free speech
September 17, 2025Sep 17 5 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Would you allow an employee who publicly supported the Democrat Party to remain in your employ? How about one who stated they were a socialist or communist? When does using your ability to hire and fire interfere with the free speech rights of the workers? Where is the line they dare not cross? I do think employers have free speech rights and can even use their business to support different political issues, but I don't think the business itself has any free speech rights. But that's just my opinion on this, and, as you know, I'm a far-left liberal and fully endorse free speech. I know the right does not, and wants to limit the free speech and actions of everyone with whom they disagree. I would allow Democrats, socialists, communist whatever all to remain in my employ, I have never hired, fired, or not hired anyone on the basis or their political ideology, race, religion or sexual orientation, and I have hired hundreds, and fired dozens. As an employer, I should not be allowed to put up a Harris poster in the breakroom, but my employees should be allowed to put up Trump posters against my will, correct?
September 17, 2025Sep 17 13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: How was kirk a danger to his trans partner? Kirk was vehemently anti-trans and anti-gay. He was also a misogynist and a racist.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: Kirk was vehemently anti-trans and anti-gay. He was also a misogynist and a racist. So?
September 17, 2025Sep 17 12 minutes ago, TedG said: This is what you people on the left do. It’s always, I’m against murder, but…… I'm not excusing Robinson's alleged actions, but I'm saying I understand what now appears to have been his motive.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: I'm not excusing Robinson's alleged actions, but I'm saying I understand what now appears to have been his motive. There is no motive except hate from a nutter.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: I would allow Democrats, socialists, communist whatever all to remain in my employ, I have never hired, fired, or not hired anyone on the basis or their political ideology, race, religion or sexual orientation, and I have hired hundreds, and fired dozens. As an employer, I should not be allowed to put up a Harris poster in the breakroom, but my employees should be allowed to put up Trump posters against my will, correct? As far as your first comment, good for you! As far as your second question, you, as an employer, should not put up any politically oriented material at your workplace. Your employers should not be allowed to do that either, such as wearing shirts with politically oriented messages. They, and you, should be allowed to put up posters in your yard and even on your car, or march down the street holding signs in support of political figures or causes. This is my opinion, and it may not be the law.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 Popular Post 7 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Kirk was vehemently anti-trans and anti-gay. He was also a misogynist and a racist. 4 demonstrably false accusations in just 2 sentences. Wokie of the day award goes to you😅
September 17, 2025Sep 17 4 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: There is no motive except hate from a nutter. Yes! But where did that hate come from? In this case, I think the hate came primarily from Kirk's stances on issues regarding trans and gays.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 Popular Post 1 minute ago, WDSmart said: Yes! But where did that hate come from? In this case, I think the hate came primarily from Kirk's stances on issues regarding trans and gays. The hate came from the killer dumbo
September 17, 2025Sep 17 1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said: 10 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Kirk was vehemently anti-trans and anti-gay. He was also a misogynist and a racist. 4 demonstrably false accusations in just 2 sentences. Wokie of the day award goes to you😅 All my statements above are true, as far as I can tell from what I've read about Kirk over the past three days. Before that, I had never heard of him. But, I will take your award of Wokie of the Day! I do consider myself "woke," and have been for over 40 years now. ❤️
September 17, 2025Sep 17 Just now, WDSmart said: All my statements above are true, as far as I can tell from what I've read about Kirk over the past three days. Before that, I had never heard of him. But, I will take your award of Wokie of the Day! I do consider myself "woke," and have been for over 40 years now. ❤️ You're weird.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: 3 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes! But where did that hate come from? In this case, I think the hate came primarily from Kirk's stances on issues regarding trans and gays. The hate came from the killer dumbo If Robinson's hate came from him being a "killer dumbo," then that's a good defense for him when he goes to trial - insane, so he cannot be found guility of all these charges. 😁
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: You're weird. "Wierd" or "woke"? Make up your mind!! 😁
September 17, 2025Sep 17 2 minutes ago, WDSmart said: If Robinson's hate came from him being a "killer dumbo," then that's a good defense for him when he goes to trial - insane, so he cannot be found guility of all these charges. 😁 What is wrong with you? You're sick
September 17, 2025Sep 17 32 minutes ago, WDSmart said: First of all, I don't think Kirk's marriage and fatherhood of two children have any relevance here. We'll have to agree to disagree, the shooter destroying a family and killing a father of two is rather a key difference. 33 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Secondly, above you say, " In the case of real, despicable criminals, :I think some relief is allowed..." That's exactly the excuse Robinson is alleged to have made in his alleged assassination of Kirk. He is alleged to have written, "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out." It's completely different. Robinson ACTUALLY killed a father of two. Kirk did not such thing. It's not about hatred. It's about someone being a cold blooded killer, and someone else not being a killer. Do you not see the difference? There is a difference between killing a killer, and kiling a family man who comitted no crime. I am surprised you don't see it. 53 minutes ago, WDSmart said: And lastly, you could say Robinson allegedly did the same thing to Kirk in an effort to protect his trans partner that Kirk would have done to Robinson if he had endangered his two boys. Kirk did not know even know Lance Twiggs exists. Let alone endanger him. You're stretching to create an equivalance that does not exist. Robinson is a killer. Kirk is an innocent father of two.
September 17, 2025Sep 17 20 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Kirk was vehemently anti-trans and anti-gay. He was also a misogynist and a racist. What does anti-trans mean? Kirk was against children being medically transitioned. What does anti-gay mean? What is that claim based on? He was not a misogynist, nor was he a racist, I would call you a liar, but I am certain you have only ever heard or seen the little doctored bits the left shows you. If you have any evidence, please provide it, In any event, even if he were all those things, he was not, how would he be a danger to the killer or the killer's lover?
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