At the heart of President Trump's program is the expulsion of illegal immigrants from America. Illegals are taking American jobs. Yet these crybabies want to have it both ways. They want to be treated as special.

 

‘The whole thing is screwed up’: Farmers in deep-red Pennsylvania struggle to find workers

In Tioga County, where President Donald Trump won 75 percent of the vote in 2024, farmers are losing patience with the White House’s promise of a quick solution for farm workers. Their urgent need is highlighted by stories like those of a multigenerational dairy farm that sold off all its dairy cows because the owner could not find workers and another where a farmer’s job listings have received no responses...

The whole thing is screwed up,” said John Painter, a three-time Trump voter who runs an organic dairy farm in Westfield. “We need people to do the jobs Americans are too spoiled to do.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/15/farm-labor-shortage-pennsylvania-trump-immigration-00560820

 

Maybe if these crybaby farmers offered a decent wage and decent living conditions they wouldn't have a problem. And if that means higher prices for dairy products, so be it. Loyal Americans won't have a problem with that once they understand that it's the price we have to pay to give our fellow Americans good jobs.

Typical callous Maga fanatic.

I think he did say he was going to deport all the murderers ,lunatics' ,

drug dealers ,Child molesters (but he does seem to be doing his best to

protect some of them, his friends) ,but now he's going after pregnant

women , kids, hardworking people who have been in USA for years have

committed no crimes ,while trying to get citizenship ,that's why people

are angry....even some Magas , 

 

regards worgeordie

If I got off on schadenfreude, I would say that these farmers who voted for Trump are getting what they deserve. But I won't. Because they don't. But what it does show is that the claim that people knew what they were getting when they voted for Trump is at least partially true. Trump was very clear about where he stood on immigration. Lots of voters apparently didn't believe that he really meant it.

 

Of course, in other ways he misled voters too, He tried to give the impression that he rejected project 2025 because support for it played very badly among voters. In fact, apart from the abortion program of project 2025, he was and is an enthusiastic supporter of it.

Just now, worgeordie said:

I think he did say he was going to deport all the murderers ,lunatics' ,

drug dealers ,Child molesters (but he does seem to be doing his best to

protect some of them, his friends) ,but now he's going after pregnant

women , kids, hardworking people who have been in USA for years have

committed no crimes ,while trying to get citizenship ,that's why people

are angry....even some Magas , 

 

regards worgeordie

That's a big reason he's lost so much support among Hispanic voters. They came away with the impression that he was going to go after criminals only. They didn't pay close attention to what he was really saying.

45 minutes ago, annotator said:

Maybe if these crybaby farmers offered a decent wage and decent living conditions they wouldn't have a problem. And if that means higher prices for dairy products, so be it. Loyal Americans won't have a problem with that once they understand that it's the price we have to pay to give our fellow Americans good jobs.

 

Yeah sure, the average American is so loyal that he agrees to give part of his salary so another American can have a job, which he actually isn't interested in.

Reason the immigrants were in the US was because they agreed to do a job Americans don't want to do, and agreed to a minimal wage, which was still much higher as what they earned in their home country.

28 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

That's a big reason he's lost so much support among Hispanic voters. They came away with the impression that he was going to go after criminals only. They didn't pay close attention to what he was really saying.

 

To be fair, the criminality is right there in the label "illegal immigrant", which is why the opposition is so desperate to relabel them as "undocumented workers."

 

And it's a glorious thing to deport millions of criminals.

 

But at the same time, the regime must revisit work visa quotas to allow for enough legal, temporary workers as needed, to do the work Americans won't.

 

Somehow, though, I don't think that would satisfy the opposition, as it would have minimal effect on census tabulations, federal funds dispersal and potentially voting trends.

Maga's only eat McDonalds. So they think it won't have an effect on them.

8 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

To be fair, the criminality is right there in the label "illegal immigrant", which is why the opposition is so desperate to relabel them as "undocumented workers."

 

And it's a glorious thing to deport millions of criminals.

 

But at the same time, the regime must revisit work visa quotas to allow for enough legal, temporary workers as needed, to do the work Americans won't.

 

Somehow, though, I don't think that would satisfy the opposition, as it would have minimal effect on census tabulations, federal funds dispersal and potentially voting trends.

So you mean these people aren't stealing jobs from Americans. That there's some work Americans won't do no matter what the pay? Let's see if the Republicans do something. The way it's set up now, these workers can only work for the employer who sponsors them. "That's a way of keeping their wages low. If they had freedom to change jobs, we'd find out how much their labor is really worth and if Americans would want to work for those wages.

2 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Maga's only eat McDonalds. So they think it won't have an effect on them.

A good example of a misinformed individual.

28 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Yeah sure, the average American is so loyal that he agrees to give part of his salary so another American can have a job, which he actually isn't interested in.

Reason the immigrants were in the US was because they agreed to do a job Americans don't want to do, and agreed to a minimal wage, which was still much higher as what they earned in their home country.

And they agreed to a minimal wage because they didn't have any leverage to get paid what the market says their labor is actually worth. And it's not just the pay. The working conditions are also an issue.

 

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So you mean these people aren't stealing jobs from Americans. That there's some work Americans won't do no matter what the pay? Let's see if the Republicans do something. The way it's set up now, these workers can only work for the employer who sponsors them. "That's a way of keeping their wages low. If they had freedom to change jobs, we'd find out how much their labor is really worth and if Americans would want to work for those wages.

 

Yes, they are "stealing" jobs.  As illegals, they have fewer rights and protections, and may be abused by employers.  They have to accept lower wages, which are still often an order of magnitude higher than what they'd make back home.

 

Make it all legal and the market, if allowed to, will sort it out.  As long as there's a backdoor illegal pool of low-paid serfs, we don't have to make the hard decisions.

15 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

The way it's set up now, these workers can only work for the employer who sponsors them.

 

Yes, because they are temporary workers, hired for one specific limited assignment.

 

The pay and working conditions should be outlined before taking the temporary job.  There should be penalties for employers who fail to live up to contractual obligations.

 

At the end of the temporary assignment, worker go home.  Lather, rinse, repeat...........although it may be possible to apply for new contracts and visa extensions without leaving the country.

1 hour ago, novacova said:

A good example of a misinformed individual.

 

Let 'em have their circle jerk.  It's a prescribed treatment for the syndrome.

 

Eventually, they'll go down for their nap.

 

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

Let 'em have their circle jerk.  It's a prescribed treatment for the syndrome.

 

Eventually, they'll go down for their nap.

 

 

Lol seems both of you don't get it. No surprise there.

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Yes, because they are temporary workers, hired for one specific limited assignment.

 

The pay and working conditions should be outlined before taking the temporary job.  There should be penalties for employers who fail to live up to contractual obligations.

 

At the end of the temporary assignment, worker go home.  Lather, rinse, repeat...........although it may be possible to apply for new contracts and visa extensions without leaving the country.

So, in other words, you support a system that will depress wages thanks to overregulation instead of allowing a system for these workers to be paid at market rates. In other words, keep the wages low for this industry with the result that few Americans will want them.

4 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Yes, because they are temporary workers, hired for one specific limited assignment.

 

The pay and working conditions should be outlined before taking the temporary job.  There should be penalties for employers who fail to live up to contractual obligations.

 

At the end of the temporary assignment, worker go home.  Lather, rinse, repeat...........although it may be possible to apply for new contracts and visa extensions without leaving the country.

You just don't get it, do you? As long as there's a system that allows access to a pool of aliens, wages for workers will be depressed. We'll never know the fair value for their labor. At the least there should be imposed a living minimum  wage and good working conditions  that could offer a decent working life to Americans if they choose to do this work. What you want is a way to make sure that these jobs will never appeal to Americans..

31 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So, in other words, you support a system that will depress wages thanks to overregulation instead of allowing a system for these workers to be paid at market rates. In other words, keep the wages low for this industry with the result that few Americans will want them.

 

Yes, exactly, if you want to put words in muh mouf'.

 

Or you can go back and read again, this time for comprehension.

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Yes, exactly, if you want to put words in muh mouf'.

 

Or you can go back and read again, this time for comprehension.

So, you're saying that you don't support workers coming to the United States for one temporary assignment? Or rather do you believe that this system doesn't artificially depress wages and make these jobs less attractive to Americans? It looks to me like you were claiming the latter to be the case.