1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, you didn't. You read a quote on some leftist university website, but quite clearly you did not read the full judgement. If you had, you would know the right to free speech is not absolute.

This is the leftist university website I got my information from:

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/educational-activities/first-amendment-activities/snyder-v-phelps/facts-and-case-summary-snyder-v-phelps

 

The official website of the US Court System. Now surprising how you embrace the practice of the Big Lie.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

In the case I mentioned Christian fanatics at his funeral were loudly accusing a dead soldier of being gay. The Supreme Court ruled that was protected. If it is protected in such a case, why wouldn't insults directed at Charlie Kirk not be?

 

Yes, I am very familiar with the case.. However, you are completely out of your depth and have not understood what was said.

 

The court merely ruled that in respect of a speech about a public concern such statements could not be used as a basis for liability for a tort for emotional distress.

 

Hateful speech is NOT protected in an absolute manner. This is a long establishe fact, there are a large number of exceptions to First Amendment protection that the Supreme Court has defined over time.

 

The Westboro case was decided on very particular facts. From the same case you refer to, this is a statement by one of the Supreme Court Judges involved:

 

Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case.

 

[Westboro did not] dispute that their speech was "so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency, and to be regarded as atrocious, and utterly intolerable in a civilized community." Instead, they maintained that the First Amendment gave them a license to engage in such conduct. They are wrong

 

In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims"

 

So don't mispresent things, you clearly don't understand, Alan.

 

10 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

The left will get what it really deserves.

And the cycle continues.

 

Yet another ingnoramus, caught up in the us vs them cycle and perptuating hate for people with different beliefs when you really are just different sides of the same coin.

 

1 minute ago, w00n s3n said:

And the cycle continues.

 

Yet another ingnoramus, caught up in the us vs them cycle and perptuating hate for people with different beliefs when you really are just different sides of the same coin.

 

 

The left is so filled with hate that it goes to kill people in front of their children and wife, and then complains others are full of hate.

 

You are a disgrace.

2 minutes ago, w00n s3n said:

And the cycle continues.

 

Yet another ingnoramus, caught up in the us vs them cycle and perptuating hate for people with different beliefs when you really are just different sides of the same coin.

 

So far, it has not really been a cycle. 

 

It’s time it was.

2 minutes ago, w00n s3n said:

And the cycle continues.

 

Yet another ingnoramus, caught up in the us vs them cycle and perptuating hate for people with different beliefs when you really are just different sides of the same coin.

 

I would have agreed a long time ago. The left is not only on the same coin, it is no longer a part of the same universe. Leftists belong on their own island now, seperate from normal folks

Man gets cancelled due to his wife’s hurty words.

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Man gets cancelled due to his wife’s hurty words.

I actually agree with you, nobody can control what the woman they sleep with says.

Nor should they ever attempt or be expected to do so.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The left is so filled with hate that it goes to kill people in front of their children and wife, and then complains others are full of hate.

 

You are a disgrace.

 

What have I  said that indicates I am left?  oh thats right nothing.   

In fact, I detest this whole left and right debate, because i am nether right nor left and i understand nothing is absolute.

If anything  i am a staunch centrist.  

I beleive people like you who (left or right) that insist these labels are what is disgraceful in America today.

Look at the state of the place, the entire country is so bloody ditracted with this bull<deleted>, they are ignoring the big picture -- that the US is broken and the current government is completely morally bankrupt  and sucking the  corpse of America dry. 

Thats not a left or right thing, no matter what party colours trump hides behind

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, I am very familiar with the case.. However, you are completely out of your depth and have not understood what was said.

 

The court merely ruled that in respect of a speech about a public concern such statements could not be used as a basis for liability for a tort for emotional distress.

 

Hateful speech is NOT protected in an absolute manner. This is a long establishe fact, there are a large number of exceptions to First Amendment protection that the Supreme Court has defined over time.

 

The Westboro case was decided on very particular facts. From the same case you refer to, this is a statement by one of the Supreme Court Judges involved:

 

Our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case.

 

[Westboro did not] dispute that their speech was "so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, as to go beyond all possible bounds of decency, and to be regarded as atrocious, and utterly intolerable in a civilized community." Instead, they maintained that the First Amendment gave them a license to engage in such conduct. They are wrong

 

In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims"

 

So don't mispresent things, you clearly don't understand, Alan.

 

Are you seriously claiming that a case that the court judge to be lacking grounds in a civil matter, would judge those grounds to justify the government taking action on those grounds? That's just ridiculous. 

 

And it's clear that you disagree with Charlie Kirk that there is no such thing legally speaking as hate speech.

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Are you seriously claiming that a case that the court judge to be lacking grounds in a civil matter, would judge those grounds to justify the government taking action on those grounds? That's just ridiculous. 

 

And it's clear that you disagree with Charlie Kirk that there is no such thing legally speaking as hate speech.

 

I can guarantee you now that if any case came to to the Supreme Court now regarding the  leftists abusing Charlie Kirk in death, there is absolutely no doubt that they would decide very differently to Westboro.

 

 

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Man gets cancelled due to his wife’s hurty words.

 

Now it's "hurty words" but when a woman expresses her dislike of immigrants you're happy to throw her in jail, lol.

 

So the left can abuse dead people at will, but you're not allowed to say bad things about immigrants. Got it.

 

Hypocrisy much?

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

I can guarantee you now that if any case came to to the Supreme Court now regarding the  leftists abusing Charlie Kirk in death, there is absolutely no doubt that they would decide very differently to Westboro.

 

 

You know, from a moment I was afraid that you might be posting a hypothetical case about something that would happen in the future. Because that would be ridiculous. Clearly you have no reasoned argument to offer so you resort to fortune telling instead.

8 minutes ago, w00n s3n said:

and the current government is completely morally bankrupt  and sucking the  corpse of America dry. 

 

So you are a leftist you lying hound.

 

J.D. Vance has openly endorsed the mass doxing of American citizens who dared to speak critically about Charlie Kirk’s assassination.

 

Under the guise of “civility,” Vance has lent his voice to a campaign that seeks not justice, but vengeance. The message is clear: mock the regime, and you will be exposed, punished, and possibly attacked.

 

The so-called Charlie Kirk Data Foundation has already compiled over 63,000 names, many of whom are ordinary citizens—teachers, nurses, veterans, firemen—whose 'crime' was posting Kirk’s own inflammatory rhetoric.

 

Some have lost jobs. Others have received threats. And all have been marked by a system that now treats dissent as deviance.

 

The US has lost it.

 

10 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

And all have been marked by a system that now treats dissent as deviance.

 

The US has lost it.

 

 

Looks like you have lost it. Total misrepresentation of the facts. 

 

It is cheering assassination that is being punished. And rightly so.

 

Here are some of the people who are being sacntioned and what they said:

 

 

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Looks like you have lost it. Total misrepresentation of the facts. 

 

It is cheering assassination that is being punished. And rightly so.

 

Here are some of the people who are being sacntioned and what they said:

 

 

Charlie Kirk would be appalled.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Looks like you have lost it. Total misrepresentation of the facts. 

 

It is cheering assassination that is being punished. And rightly so.

 

Here are some of the people who are being sacntioned and what they said:

 

 

But it is a good thing to see that you've abandoned fortune telling 

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

So you are a leftist you lying hound.

See, you just cant let the labels go. I don't see the Trump as left or right I see him as an amoral black hole. I dont beleive you could actually call him Republican though he ran unduer that flag. He was once a Democrat, too but the reality is Trump is for Trump.

According to Wiki and easily verified:

 

Quote

In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, he changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, he again returned to the Republican Party.

Why can you not accept that both the non-radicalized left and right have policies whith merit?

Or that tradionally the spectrum in america was never truly left or right but occupied a small band in the center?

People like you perpetuate the division. It need not be either or. 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Man gets cancelled due to his wife’s hurty words.

 

That's not what happened at all. There was a legal agreement in place that set out the terms/framework for the operation of the business.  Nobody operates a franchise like this without a contract/agreement.  Highly likely the wife was a party to the agreement too.

Under the terms of said agreement, he is now no longer operating the Texas Roadhouse at that location.

Do you think the Roadhouse legal team had no input to the decision?  I don't.  He was legally relieved of his employment - of course pending any legal case that may be brought.  But I don't expect to see a legal case/lawsuit be successful.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

So the Left cowardly kills a political opponent who was engaging with them, and then claims "protected speech" when they spew the most hateful, vile and targeted mockery of the man they killed.

 

How absolutely disgusting the Left is, really, but you are completely wrong of course if you think there is some sort of absolute free speech. There isn't, and free speech has been curtailed many times. 

 

Be ready for the hateful, vile and disgusting comments of ANTIFA and leftist people mocking Charlie's death, being punished.

 

 

You keep making the same mistake and that is the reason you are getting flack.

You keep saying the "left" killed him.

No they did not,it was one person who took a shot at him.

Your hatred for anything on the left side is so strong it prohibits you from thinking clearly.

If next week some one from maga shoots a person will it be ok for us to say maga killed him?

 

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Charlie Kirk would be appalled.

 

Do not pretend you speak in the name of the great Charlie Kirk. You are trying to defend vile, disgusting human beings who are cheering assassination. Charlie Kirk never did that.

 

The fact is that Charlie's attempt to engag in dialogue with the left has failed. You cannot debate with people who deny reality, who claim that a man can put on a wig and then say he is a woman. And when you then disagree with their denial of reality they shoot you in the head.

 

Charlie could not imagine that the ANTIFA and trans./LGBT left would be like this, a murderous, hate-filled cabal bent on assassination. Had he known that, he would have modified his views, as he would do now, no doubt.

Was the left just not doxxing ICE officers and calling out that they not allowed to wear masks so that they and their families could be attacked? 

 

Ohhhb, poor widdle lefty

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

You keep saying the "left" killed him.

No they did not,it was one person who took a shot at him.

 

Of course one person shot him. However, there is already a database of 60,000 plus leftists who were cheering on the assassination.

 

in fact surveys have shown that 40% of Democrats would support removing Trump by any means. Only 8% of Democrats believe Kirk's killer is a leftist.

 

The reality is that an incredibly large proportion of leftists is prepared to use violence, we see it now with 60,000 plus leftists cheering Charlie's assassination.

 

We also see it here, with a Fox news van having a bomb placed on its underside by leftist extremists..

 

2 Utah men arrested after explosive device found under news media vehicle

 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/utah-man-arrested-after-explosive-device-found-news/story?id=125564512

 

There is a network of leftists who are prepared to kill and commit violence in America.

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

Was the left just not doxxing ICE officers and calling out that they not allowed to wear masks so that they and their families could be attacked? 

 

Ohhhb, poor widdle lefty

Public servants should be accountable for their acts. If they can't be identified, they can't be held accountable.

 

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Charlie Kirk would be appalled.

Why? Per the left he’s a Nazi, racist, misogynist 

 

On, that’s right, those were all lies.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Do not pretend you speak in the name of the great Charlie Kirk. You are trying to defend vile, disgusting humab beings who are cheering assassination. Charlie Kirk never did that.

 

The fact is that Charlie's attempt to engag in dialogue with the left has failed. You cannot debate with people who deny reality, who claim that a man can put on a wig and then say he is a woman. And when you then disagree with their denial of reality they shoot you in the head.

 

Charlie could not imagine that the ANTIFA and trans./LGBT left would be like this, a murderous, hate-filled cabal bent on assassination. Had he known that, he would have modified his views, as he would do now, no doubt.

not sure what is worse, when you try channel charlie kirk or regurigate ideas from the broverse. There are dangers to adopting an identity based solely on what you heard on a podcast at the gym.

7 minutes ago, jvs said:

You keep making the same mistake and that is the reason you are getting flack.

You keep saying the "left" killed him.

No they did not,it was one person who took a shot at him.

Your hatred for anything on the left side is so strong it prohibits you from thinking clearly.

If next week some one from maga shoots a person will it be ok for us to say maga killed him?

 

But when some whacko attack a leftist, it’s all about the MAGA hate spewing Trump, right?

 

You guys crack me up, Go watch the view for some  fresh talking points. 

So watch, next the left will be all about what “real” Christians would do, right?

 

Of course that’s after the same left spent a month mocking Christian parents because the prayed for their slain children. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, w00n s3n said:

not sure what is worse, when you try channel charlie kirk or regurigate ideas from the broverse. There are dangers to adopting an identity based solely on what you heard on a podcast at the gym.

 

You picked a strange new name, JakeC, but still spewing the same nonsense I see. How many other accounts do you have?