1 minute ago, riclag said:

  More ,Antifa tactics. anti ice enforcement violence,

anarchist violent  activism. 

"ANARCHIST’ ICE agent attackers could face life in prison"

 

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

On 9/17/2025 at 6:04 PM, Harrisfan said:

September 17, 2025, President Donald Trump announced he is formally designating the anti-fascist movement known as Antifa as a "major terrorist organization," following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. In a post on Truth Social, Trump described Antifa as a "sick, dangerous, radical left disaster" and called for investigations into its funders

Sorry 😢 he tryed this same gambit during his first debacle it got shot down anyway on the bright side at least it’s taking some attention away from his DECADES long CLOSE friendship with the MOST prolific PEDO in our history so there’s that……

13 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

From an earlier post...

 

"Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntifə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It consists of a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups that use nonviolent direct action, or violence to achieve their aims".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf"

When I first became aware of them: 

"Black-clad protesters wearing masks threw commercial-grade fireworks and rocks at police. Some even hurled Molotov cocktails that ignited fires. They also smashed windows of the student union center on the Berkeley campus where the Yiannopoulos event was to be held".

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley

17 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Three of the six Marines who took part in the flag raising on Iwo Jima  were later killed in action.  To state these Marines were "ANTIFA terrorists" is the height of disrespect.   

 

 

Don't be ridiculous.  "Anti-fascist" and ANTIFA  don't mean the same thing, not even close.  The armed forces of the Allies were indeed engaged in a battle against fascism on D Day, but that is light years away from the activities of ANTIFA adherents today.   Those who have taken part in ANTIFA protests in the U.S. in recent years are more anti-capitalist than anti-fascist. 

 

They are largely anarchists, but communists and socialists of various stripes also take part.  They are drawn together not so much by ideology but a willingness to engage in unlawful violent actions, such as attacking police or smashing store windows. As other posters have said, ANTIFA today is a movement, not a group with a hierarchal command structure.

Present-day activists who identify as ANTIFA are “anti-” a lot of things, especially in the current environment in which authoritarianism is rather quickly taking hold in the US. And sometimes ANTIFA adherents are indeed violent; I’m of the opinion that violence is sometimes called for, especially in response to violence perpetrated by an authoritarian regime, though where those lines are is certainly debatable.

 

As for anti-capitalism, capitalism and fascism are often in league with each other; corporations getting rich in Nazi Germany is well documented, as are the benefits enjoyed by tech and media companies in the US who cater to Trump’s whims.

 

But you’re right, comparing people who identify as ANTIFA in the present-day US with armies storming the Normandy beaches in 1944 is perhaps more a rhetorical device than anything else. Even if the two groups were/are largely fighting for the same values, the WWII soldiers were all white and heroic, whereas present-day ANTIFA activists are mostly black or brown, and scary looking. That’s pretty much what it comes down to, isn’t it.

5 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Present-day activists who identify as ANTIFA are “anti-” a lot of things, especially in the current environment in which authoritarianism is rather quickly taking hold in the US. And sometimes ANTIFA adherents are indeed violent; I’m of the opinion that violence is sometimes called for, especially in response to violence perpetrated by an authoritarian regime, though where those lines are is certainly debatable.

 

As for anti-capitalism, capitalism and fascism are often in league with each other; corporations getting rich in Nazi Germany is well documented, as are the benefits enjoyed by tech and media companies in the US who cater to Trump’s whims.

 

But you’re right, comparing people who identify as ANTIFA in the present-day US with armies storming the Normandy beaches in 1944 is perhaps more a rhetorical device than anything else. Even if the two groups were/are largely fighting for the same values, the WWII soldiers were all white and heroic, whereas present-day ANTIFA activists are mostly black or brown, and scary looking. That’s pretty much what it comes down to, isn’t it.

Please provide examples of authoritarianism taking over in the US. 

 

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Please provide examples of authoritarianism taking over in the US. 

 

Attempts in the past but Checks & balances saved the day.

If and when the Dems ever take control again ,it will be their turn to Govern .

 In the meantime Anarchy meet Law & Order.

55 minutes ago, riclag said:

Attempts in the past but Checks & balances saved the day.

If and when the Dems ever take control again ,it will be their turn to Govern .

 In the meantime Anarchy meet Law & Order.

You're a funny little guy!

 

"Law and Order" LOL!

 

Let's see...set up a gallows to hang the sitting Vice President. Beat and injure 140 Capitol Police.

 

What did Mr Law & Oder say on 6 January 2021:

 

"We love you all very much."

 

Then, when he gets elected again, he pardons those terrorists.

 

1984 is here in 2025.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Please provide examples of authoritarianism taking over in the US. 

 

Read a newspaper every couple of days; they’re easy to find, even online! Just the other day, for instance, Trump’s FCC chair threatened action against ABC (and its parent company, Disney) for remarks made by comedian Jimmy Kimmel that Trump didn’t like. Meanwhile, Nexstar, which owns a range of ABC affiliates, needs FCC approval for a merger that will make its directors wealthy. Basically, the administration threatened to withhold such approval unless ABC removed a comedian who was hurting the president’s feelings. This is pretty clearly in violation of the first amendment, and another example of the administration forcing an independent media corporation to bend to its will. It’s exactly how authoritarianism works.

 

Get woke, man. Because right now, it seems that you’re sound asleep.

1 minute ago, Cory1848 said:

Read a newspaper every couple of days; they’re easy to find, even online! Just the other day, for instance, Trump’s FCC chair threatened action against ABC (and its parent company, Disney) for remarks made by comedian Jimmy Kimmel that Trump didn’t like. Meanwhile, Nexstar, which owns a range of ABC affiliates, needs FCC approval for a merger that will make its directors wealthy. Basically, the administration threatened to withhold such approval unless ABC removed a comedian who was hurting the president’s feelings. This is pretty clearly in violation of the first amendment, and another example of the administration forcing an independent media corporation to bend to its will. It’s exactly how authoritarianism works.

 

Get woke, man. Because right now, it seems that you’re sound asleep.

So why do Trump not remove the board of Disney and install his own CEO. Is that not what an authoritarian would do? 

 

I do disapprove of Brendan Carr jawboning NBC, and I do not like Trump playing his tired chin-music, but it is hardly authoritarian.

 

When the Biden Administration was jawboning Facebook, was that authoritarian, and were they violating free-speech? 

23 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So why do Trump not remove the board of Disney and install his own CEO. Is that not what an authoritarian would do? 

 

I do disapprove of Brendan Carr jawboning NBC, and I do not like Trump playing his tired chin-music, but it is hardly authoritarian.

 

When the Biden Administration was jawboning Facebook, was that authoritarian, and were they violating free-speech? 

Brilliant mate ,it shows the hypocrisy of the other side .

2 hours ago, Cory1848 said:

But you’re right, comparing people who identify as ANTIFA in the present-day US with armies storming the Normandy beaches in 1944 is perhaps more a rhetorical device than anything else. Even if the two groups were/are largely fighting for the same values, the WWII soldiers were all white and heroic, whereas present-day ANTIFA activists are mostly black or brown, and scary looking. That’s pretty much what it comes down to, isn’t it.

 

    The Anti Fascists in the 1940's were the Communists fighting the Nazis .

Allies enemies were both of them .

Allies in Normandy opposed both Communist Anti fa and also Nazis 

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Please provide examples of authoritarianism taking over in the US. 

 

Best joke question of the week!

Where to start?

2 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Best joke question of the week!

Where to start?

Why not start with the most egregious? 

 

Oh, that's right, you have no idea. 

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So why do Trump not remove the board of Disney and install his own CEO.

Give him time!

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The Anti Fascists in the 1940's were the Communists fighting the Nazis .

Allies enemies were both of them .

Allies in Normandy opposed both Communist Anti fa and also Nazis 

You’re really twisting things around in knots here. During WWII, the “allies” included both the Western powers (on the Western front) and the Soviets (on the Eastern front); as far as I know, the phrase “antifascist” was not in use at the time. Fascist governments were in power in much of Eastern Europe in the 1920s and 1930s, just as in Italy and Germany (and Spain), but many of these countries considered the Soviets the greater evil and thus allied themselves with Germany. Toward the end of the war, the West (Churchill and Roosevelt) pretty much allowed Stalin to take over all of Eastern Europe, because Stalin was still an ally but also because the Western powers were too war-weary to argue the point.

 

Your attempt to shoehorn the term “antifascist” to apply to Soviet Russia but not the Western allies is incoherent.

11 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

You’re really twisting things around in knots here. During WWII, the “allies” included both the Western powers (on the Western front) and the Soviets (on the Eastern front); as far as I know, the phrase “antifascist” was not in use at the time. Fascist governments were in power in much of Eastern Europe in the 1920s and 1930s, just as in Italy and Germany (and Spain), but many of these countries considered the Soviets the greater evil and thus allied themselves with Germany. Toward the end of the war, the West (Churchill and Roosevelt) pretty much allowed Stalin to take over all of Eastern Europe, because Stalin was still an ally but also because the Western powers were too war-weary to argue the point.

 

Your attempt to shoehorn the term “antifascist” to apply to Soviet Russia but not the Western allies is incoherent.

 

    Thread crossing a bit here .

But the AntiFas from the 1940's were  German communist group who opposed Nazis .

   It is being discussed in other threads 

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So why do Trump not remove the board of Disney and install his own CEO. Is that not what an authoritarian would do? 

 

I do disapprove of Brendan Carr jawboning NBC, and I do not like Trump playing his tired chin-music, but it is hardly authoritarian.

 

When the Biden Administration was jawboning Facebook, was that authoritarian, and were they violating free-speech? 

No, an authoritarian would not install his own CEO to head up a private corporation, but would apply whatever pressure was at his disposal to get the existing CEO to do his bidding -- which is exactly what happened. This is the definition of authoritarianism -- along with pressuring academic institutions by threatening to withhold research funding, pressuring congresspeople by threatening to primary them, pressuring the (independent) Federal Reserve by threatening to fire people (which he can’t do, but he’s sure going to try), forcing federal bureaucrats to take loyalty tests, etc. etc. Not to mention creating a vast armed force loyal to him, recruiting people to that force by appealing to their racism, and starting them out by getting them to kidnap people off the street and deport them to the South Sudan and elsewhere without due process.

 

You may have disliked Biden for any number of reasons, and I’m not going to quarrel with you about that, but he did none of these things, and to characterize the Biden administration as “authoritarian” or “fascist” is laughable. They were much too meek in my opinion.

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Thread crossing a bit here .

But the AntiFas from the 1940's were  German communist group who opposed Nazis .

   It is being discussed in other threads 

OK, you’re right on that; looking it up, Antifaschistische Aktion, from what I can quickly read online, were sort of the “proactive wing” of the German Communist Party during the Weimar period, though I don’t know how active they could have been once the Nazis came to power; I think they went underground in 1933. But apparently various “Antifaschistische” groups began reemerging in Germany in 1944, when it became apparent that the Nazis would lose the war. Anyway, way off topic for this thread, I guess.

25 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

No, an authoritarian would not install his own CEO to head up a private corporation, but would apply whatever pressure was at his disposal to get the existing CEO to do his bidding -- which is exactly what happened. This is the definition of authoritarianism -- along with pressuring academic institutions by threatening to withhold research funding, pressuring congresspeople by threatening to primary them, pressuring the (independent) Federal Reserve by threatening to fire people (which he can’t do, but he’s sure going to try), forcing federal bureaucrats to take loyalty tests, etc. etc. Not to mention creating a vast armed force loyal to him, recruiting people to that force by appealing to their racism, and starting them out by getting them to kidnap people off the street and deport them to the South Sudan and elsewhere without due process.

 

You may have disliked Biden for any number of reasons, and I’m not going to quarrel with you about that, but he did none of these things, and to characterize the Biden administration as “authoritarian” or “fascist” is laughable. They were much too meek in my opinion.

I very much do not like the administration jawboning NBC and Trump commenting on it, but it was NBC's choice. If Kimmel was funny, and profitable, he would still be there. He mocked and ridiculed half the country, and he effectively lied. 

 

Pressuring academic institutions by threatening to withhold research funding unless they stop violent protests, stop the allowing the harassment of Jewish students, and abide federal law. 

 

Pressuring congresspeople by threatening to primary them? Nothing new about this by either side. Have you not noticed that Democrats vote lockstep on virtually everything? 

 

I do not like him jawboning Jerome Powell. 

 

Should is cabinet not be loyal? 

 

Kidnaping people off the street? If an immigration judge has issued an "Order of Removal", they have had all the due process they are legally entitled to.  

 

You may not like it, Trump is generally doing what he said he was going to do when he ran, and that's what people voted for. 

 

I never said Biden was an “authoritarian” or “fascist”, it's you saying it about Trump, which is laughable. 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Should [h]is cabinet not be loyal? 

 

 

In a word, no. Cabinet members (and all federal employees) pledge loyalty to the US Constitution, not to any individual. (What they should do is provide Trump with accurate information and suggest courses of action that are entirely legal.) Trump, however demands *personal* loyalty, which is the basis for an entirely different system of rule -- and which is antithetical to the most basic principles that have undergirded the United States since the country’s founding.

 

In an interview with Trump very early in his first administration, then FBI director James Comey revealed that Trump had demanded “personal loyalty” of Comey and the entire FBI. Comey tried to instruct Trump that his loyalty, and that of his agency, was bound to the Constitution. Comey of course didn’t last long under Trump; and the current FBI director is a brainless idiot (but he sure loves Trump!).

 

As for kidnappings by ICE agents, there’s no other way to characterize them -- contrary to what you say, there are no court orders; ICE simply shows up at a Home Depot and arrests anyone who even just *looks* like they might speak Spanish. And if you condone what Brett Kavanaugh wrote in a Supreme Court ruling -- that it was OK for ICE to harass people who meet “common sense” criteria, such as being employed in day labor or speaking English with an accent (whose “common sense” is this??), then I don’t know what to tell you.

 

You’re quite right, Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do during the election -- and his critics and those running against him rightly called him out as a wannabe fascist and dictator. What is most frustrating is that tens of millions of Americans either were completely duped by him, or in fact wanted him to trash the constitution and become their dictator.

4 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

In a word, no. Cabinet members (and all federal employees) pledge loyalty to the US Constitution, not to any individual. (What they should do is provide Trump with accurate information and suggest courses of action that are entirely legal.) Trump, however demands *personal* loyalty, which is the basis for an entirely different system of rule -- and which is antithetical to the most basic principles that have undergirded the United States since the country’s founding.

What is this claim based on? 

 

Yes, they pledge loyalty to the Constitution, but unless what they are being asked to do is illegal or unconstitutional, they should do what they have been asked to do.

 

In the event that what they are being asked to do is illegal or unconstitutional, they should resign and go to the press. 

4 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

In an interview with Trump very early in his first administration, then FBI director James Comey revealed that Trump had demanded “personal loyalty” of Comey and the entire FBI. Comey tried to instruct Trump that his loyalty, and that of his agency, was bound to the Constitution. Comey of course didn’t last long under Trump; and the current FBI director is a brainless idiot (but he sure loves Trump!).

Is this when Comey lied and told Trump he was not under investigation, recorder the meeting, and illegally leaked it to his "friend" that leaked it to the press? 

 

The same Comey that said "I do not recall" almost 300 time under oath? 

 

The you call Kash Patel "a brainless idiot" says a lot more about you than him. 

4 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

As for kidnappings by ICE agents, there’s no other way to characterize them -- contrary to what you say, there are no court orders; ICE simply shows up at a Home Depot and arrests anyone who even just *looks* like they might speak Spanish. And if you condone what Brett Kavanaugh wrote in a Supreme Court ruling -- that it was OK for ICE to harass people who meet “common sense” criteria, such as being employed in day labor or speaking English with an accent (whose “common sense” is this??), then I don’t know what to tell you.

Again, what is this based on? You are against the deportations, and want the country flooded with illegal aliens, I get it, but most that is not what most people voted for. 

 

Checking the status of people hanging around Home Depot looking for day-labor that don't speak English is no different than pulling someone over and giving them a breathalyzer if they've been swerving. 

 

4 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

You’re quite right, Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do during the election -- and his critics and those running against him rightly called him out as a wannabe fascist and dictator. What is most frustrating is that tens of millions of Americans either were completely duped by him, or in fact wanted him to trash the constitution and become their dictator.

What is frustrating to me, is that there are tens of millions of Americans that have been duped into believing Trump is trashing the constitution acting like a dictator.

 

The left has been telling me that Trump is Hitler, a fascist and a dictator for ten years.

Before that, the left was telling me that Romey was Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

Before that, the left was telling me that McCain was Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

Before that, the left was telling me that Bush 2 was Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

Before that, the left was telling me that Bush 1 was Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

Before that, the left was telling me that Reagan was Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

 

Apparently, everyone that is not the left's candidate, is Hitler, a fascist and a dictator.

On 9/18/2025 at 8:04 AM, Harrisfan said:

September 17, 2025, President Donald Trump announced he is formally designating the anti-fascist movement known as Antifa as a "major terrorist organization," following the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. In a post on Truth Social, Trump described Antifa as a "sick, dangerous, radical left disaster" and called for investigations into its funders

Trump may be "formally designating" Antifa as a terrorist organization, but that designation has no basis in law. It's as legally significant as nominating someone to be his BFF. There are no federal laws that delineate a category of crimes as domestic terrorism or perpetrators as domestic terrorists.

On 9/18/2025 at 8:44 AM, riclag said:

Antifa is  a myth according to Nadler.

 

"Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntifə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It consists of a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups that use nonviolent direct action, or violence to achieve their aims".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf

It's called a "movement" not an organization. It has no leadership, no membership rolls, on centralization at all. Basically, if  some like minded people want to call themselves Antifa, then they're Antifa.

And since some use nonviolent direct action, how would that qualify them to be called "terrorists"?

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

It's called a "movement" not an organization. It has no leadership, no membership rolls, on centralization at all. Basically, if  some like minded people want to call themselves Antifa, then they're Antifa.

And since some use nonviolent direct action, how would that qualify them to be called "terrorists"?

Hopefully that can tie that disgusting piece of human debris George Soros and his dreck son Alex to funding Antifa and jail them both. 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Hopefully that can tie that disgusting piece of human debris George Soros and his dreck son Alex to funding Antifa and jail them both. 

 

 

On 9/20/2025 at 3:07 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The Anti Fascists in the 1940's were the Communists fighting the Nazis .

Allies enemies were both of them .

Allies in Normandy opposed both Communist Anti fa and also Nazis 

"Individuals involved in the movement subscribe to a range of left-wing ideologies, and tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist, and anti-state views. A majority of individuals involved are anarchists, communists, and socialists,[7] although some social democrats also participate in the antifa movement".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

 

I would venture out to say these are the  far left radical extremists that are wanting to burn western civilization institutions down .The violent anarchist,commie's and socialist of the world that are calling the good guys Fascist,Hitler & Nazi's.  

On 9/19/2025 at 12:02 AM, Cameroni said:

 

There are several options. 

 

1)  Since Antifa is a global phenomenon, Trump could declare one of the foreign ANTIFA organizations a terrorist grouping, and thus circumvent the issue altogether, as pursuing local ANITFA would then flow from the foreign organization being a terrorist group.

 

2) They could use the synthetic drugs approach, ie pass a law that a certain defined list of organizations are terrorist groups, and leave that as an open list where local ANTIFA groups can be added as they are discovered.

 

Many options to do it in law.

 

Trump could borrow from the provisions of The Black Act in Britain in 1723. Legal rights were restricted for people blacking their faces or otherwise disguising themselves while carrying out crimes or intimidating people. There are some eerie similarities between the British Blacks as they were called and antifa, in dress, so-called "decentralization," and possible ties to ideologies committed to the overthrow of the government, with the British Blacks it was the Jacobites.

7 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Trump could borrow from the provisions of The Black Act in Britain in 1723. Legal rights were restricted for people blacking their faces or otherwise disguising themselves while carrying out crimes or intimidating people. There are some eerie similarities between the British Blacks as they were called and antifa, in dress, so-called "decentralization," and possible ties to ideologies committed to the overthrow of the government, with the British Blacks it was the Jacobites.

 

It's actually eerie, the similarities between the Black Faces in Britain at the time and ANTIFA today, class division, damage to property, the result of economic downturn.

 

Clearly  the US has to do something. The violence in the US is becoming a real problem.

On 9/18/2025 at 9:54 AM, novacova said:

These filthy dirtbag rats need to go down and tossed in the can, this is the only effective signal available .

Another due process fanatic.

The POTUS has announced  and has classified Antifa  as a domestic Terrorist organization. Here comes the challenges  3-2-1.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/