13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I have no respect for anyone that makes claims but is unable to support their position. They are either stupid, lazy, liars, or more often than not, all three. 

Thanks to show us your character. 

Look for an idiot to communicate. It's not me.

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are badly mistaken.  There was never a Palestinian state.

 

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Google it. They you know better.

 

No need for me to Google it.  I know very well there was no Palestinian state before The Palestinian Liberation Organization declared the establishment of the State of Palestine on Nov. 15, 1988.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/Palestine-Liberation-Organization

 

But perhaps you can tell us when a Palestinian state existed?  It's up to you to prove that there has been an independent kingdom, nation, country or state called Palestine before the PLO declaration  in 1988.  It's possible you are confusing the use of Palestine as the name of a geographic region and its use in reference to a "political entity" such a nation or kingdom or province thereof.  According to a heavy-duty source, the Encyclopedia Britannica:  "After Roman times the name [Palestine] had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain."  https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

 

It's true people have lived for millennia in the geographic area we today call Palestine, but they didn't have a country of their own.  You have to go back to Biblical times (about 3,000 years ago) and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.

 

I've written a post about this before and will include the quote for more detail.

On 5/21/2025 at 10:38 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine had been offered a state under the 1947 U.N. partition plan, but the Arab League rejected the plan.  What Israel took over on  May 14, 1948, was the territory allotted to the Jewish state under the United Nation's partition plan for Mandatory Palestine, which at that time was under British control.   Before the U.K. received the Mandate for Palestine from the League of Nations, the Ottoman Empire had ruled the region we today call historical Palestine since 1516 CE.  

https://www.bloomberg.com/explainers/israel-hamas-war-history-of-israeli-palestinian-conflict-explained

 

Prior to the  Ottoman Turks, the rulers had been the Mamluk Sultanate; Ayyubid Dynasty; European Crusaders; Fatimid Caliphate; Mongol Empire;  Abbasid Caliphate; Umayyad Caliphate;  Rashidun Caliphate; Byzantine Empire; Roman Empire; Seleucid Empire; Ptolemaic Kingdom; Achaemenid (Persian) Empire; Babylonian Empire and Assyrian Empire.      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

Bottom line:  A geographic region called Palestine- Yes.  A country called Palestine before  1988- No.

 

 

9 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

No need for me to Google it.  I know very well there was no Palestinian state before The Palestinian Liberation Organization declared the establishment of the State of Palestine on Nov. 15, 1988.  https://www.britannica.com/topic/Palestine-Liberation-Organization

 

But perhaps you can tell us when a Palestinian state existed?  It's up to you to prove that there has been an independent kingdom, nation, country or state called Palestine before the PLO declaration  in 1988.  It's possible you are confusing the use of Palestine as the name of a geographic region and its use in reference to a "political entity" such a nation or kingdom or province thereof.  According to a heavy-duty source, the Encyclopedia Britannica:  "After Roman times the name [Palestine] had no official status until after World War I and the end of rule by the Ottoman Empire, when it was adopted for one of the regions mandated to Great Britain."  https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine

 

It's true people have lived for millennia in the geographic area we today call Palestine, but they didn't have a country of their own.  You have to go back to Biblical times (about 3,000 years ago) and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.

 

I've written a post about this before and will include the quote for more detail.

 

 

You are the greatest. By far 🎉🥳

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

You are the greatest. By far 🎉🥳

 

Not the  greatest, just factually correct.

On 9/21/2025 at 12:44 PM, Hummin said:

 

It have been 100 years of post colonial shame. Some says the Palestinians and the Jews had better during the Ottaman rule, but who really knows. The total pain and misery from day one Israel became a state have been a slow genocide and displacement of a larger group of people who used to live in the area. Displaced by a minority because Europe felt guilty for Hitler Germany genocide. Two wrong doesnt make one right 

 

Describe this " larger group of people who used to live in the area".

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, its obvious that you meant that the mysterious unnamed   previous poster who  allegedly lied when he stated he wasn't Jewish or Israeli .

   OK , do you I believe Yellowtail when he said he was neither Israeli nor Jewish?

 

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

 

14 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  What is the significance of that .

Is that a thinly veiled threat of violence ?

Are you trying to put the frighteners on me ?

 

Nonsense.  I am happy to argue with you here and and eat or have a drink with you IRL.  Just because we have opposing view doesn't mean I hate you the way you appear to hate Palestinians.

 

14 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 You are badly mistaken.  There was never a Palestinian state.

 

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine,  governed by the British under a League of Nations mandate.

 

During this period, residents of all ethnic and religious backgrounds—Jews, Muslims, Christians—held British-issued Palestinian passports, as did Golda Meir.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's true people have lived for millennia in the geographic area we today call Palestine, but they didn't have a country of their own.  You have to go back to Biblical times (about 3,000 years ago) and the Iron Age to find centuries in which people who were actually born in historical Palestine ruled  the region.  That would be the Kingdoms of  Israel  and Judah.

 

I've written a post about this before and will include the quote for more detail.

 

 

 

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine, it wasn't just a loose area, it was administered by the British.  It wasn't a sovereign state, but it was a country defined by borders and identified as "Palestine" on Palestinian Passports issued by the British who administered the country.

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Describe this " larger group of people who used to live in the area".

 

Arab was the majority, and I'm sure you can Google and find your trusted sources of you even was slightly curious 🧐 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine,  governed by the British under a League of Nations mandate.

 

During this period, residents of all ethnic and religious backgrounds—Jews, Muslims, Christians—held British-issued Palestinian passports, as did Golda Meir.

 

56 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine, it wasn't just a loose area, it was administered by the British.  It wasn't a sovereign state, but it was a country defined by borders and identified as "Palestine" on Palestinian Passports issued by the British who administered the country.

 

Mandatory Palestine was NOT a country in the commonly used  sense of  the word meaning a nation or state.  "Mandatory Palestine was a British administrative territory that existed between 1920 and 1948 in the region of Palestine, and after 1922, under the terms of the League of Nations' Mandate for Palestine. The British took the territory deeming it presently unfit for self-governance."   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

 

From the occupation of historical Palestine  by the British Army in 1917 until May 14,1948,  the British had full legislative and administrative control over Palestine. Arabs, Jews and Christians who met certain qualifications could  become nationals of Mandatory Palestine, but they were considered "protected persons" and not British subjects.  As protected persons they could obtain a special type of British passport which became invalid when the Mandate ended.  "The Passport Regulations employed the term ‘inhabitant of Palestine’ rather than ‘Palestinian citizen.’" https://ktalegal.com/british-mandate-of-palestine-mandate-passports/

 

Golda Meir disagrees with you

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_23ywuSzC/?igsh=MXhjMnlzNmJyaGZvMA==

On 9/23/2025 at 11:15 AM, Yellowtail said:

Why not try having an honest discussion?

Impossible with those who support terrorism and antisemitism

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

 

 

Nonsense.  I am happy to argue with you here and and eat or have a drink with you IRL.  Just because we have opposing view doesn't mean I hate you the way you appear to hate Palestinians.

 

 

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine,  governed by the British under a League of Nations mandate.

 

During this period, residents of all ethnic and religious backgrounds—Jews, Muslims, Christians—held British-issued Palestinian passports, as did Golda Meir.

 

It was a territory but not a state. It included present day Israel.

 

The Arabs and Jews there been fighting over the whole area since 1948.  

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

Same as the other quoted guy and personally very cowardly of both not to admit it and actually try to misrepresent their identities as if to show their far right fundamentalist, extremist Israel support is for some other reason.

 

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Golda Meir disagrees with you

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_23ywuSzC/?igsh=MXhjMnlzNmJyaGZvMA==

 

No, she doesn't.  She is referring to the fact that in Mandatory Palestine, both the Jews and Arabs who lived there were called Palestinians.  That was a geographic designation which applied to everyone in what was then Mandatory Palestine, not just Arabs.  It had nothing to do with a country called Palestine.

 

Below is what Golda Meir thought on the subject of a country called Palestine.  The quote is from her famous interview with The Sunday Times on June 15, 1969. 

"There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist."

https://quotepark.com/quotes/1942910-golda-meir-there-were-no-such-thing-as-palestinians/

That quote has often been inaccurately summarized as "There are no Palestinians."  In an interview with The New York Times on Aug. 27, 1972, she clarified that she had meant: ""I said there never was a Palestinian nation"

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1972/08/27/issue.html

 

In an op-ed piece in The New York Times on Jan. 14, 1976, Meir went into detail regarding the nonexistence of a Palestinian nation.  She said:  "As late as May 1956, Ahmed Shukairy, subsequently head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, declared to the United Nations Security Council, “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.” In view of this, I believe I may be forgiven if I took Arab spokesmen at their word."  https://aish.com/golda-meir-on-the-palestinians/

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

No, she doesn't.  She is referring to the fact that in Mandatory Palestine, both the Jews and Arabs who lived there were called Palestinians.  That was a geographic designation which applied to everyone in what was then Mandatory Palestine, not just Arabs.  It had nothing to do with a country called Palestine.

 

Below is what Golda Meir thought on the subject of a country called Palestine.  The quote is from her famous interview with The Sunday Times on June 15, 1969. 

"There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian state? It was either southern Syria before the First World War and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country from them. They did not exist."

https://quotepark.com/quotes/1942910-golda-meir-there-were-no-such-thing-as-palestinians/

That quote has often been inaccurately summarized as "There are no Palestinians."  In an interview with The New York Times on Aug. 27, 1972, she clarified that she had meant: ""I said there never was a Palestinian nation"

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1972/08/27/issue.html

 

In an op-ed piece in The New York Times on Jan. 14, 1976, Meir went into detail regarding the nonexistence of a Palestinian nation.  She said:  "As late as May 1956, Ahmed Shukairy, subsequently head of the Palestine Liberation Organization, declared to the United Nations Security Council, “It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria.” In view of this, I believe I may be forgiven if I took Arab spokesmen at their word."  https://aish.com/golda-meir-on-the-palestinians/

 

 

 

 

In evidence of this I am supposed to have said, “There are no Palestinians.” My actual words were: “There is no Palestinian people. There are Palestinian refugees.” The distinction is not semantic.

 

https://aish.com/golda-meir-on-the-palestinians/

6 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

 

 

    You are accusing YT of lying when he states that he isn't Israeli or Jewish .

   Why are you clamming that he is lying ?

Based on what ?

34 minutes ago, JimCM said:

 

In evidence of this I am supposed to have said, “There are no Palestinians.” My actual words were: “There is no Palestinian people. There are Palestinian refugees.” The distinction is not semantic.

 

https://aish.com/golda-meir-on-the-palestinians/

 

That quote came from The New York Times op-ed piece which I quoted and for which I gave the link you cited.  Meir is acknowledging  that while there was no Palestinian people in terms of nationality, there were people who had formerly lived in Palestine and were at the time refugees.

 

However hard you try to twist it, there was never a country called Palestine before 1988.

38 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

That quote came from The New York Times op-ed piece which I quoted and for which I gave the link you cited.  Meir is acknowledging  that while there was no Palestinian people in terms of nationality, there were people who had formerly lived in Palestine and were at the time refugees.

 

However hard you try to twist it, there was never a country called Palestine before 1988.

I have never said there was, or wasn’t a Palestinian country. 
Twisting nothing and in fact posted what you said.

 

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    You are accusing YT of lying when he states that he isn't Israeli or Jewish .

   Why are you clamming that he is lying ?

Based on what ?

 

I am not "clamming" anything

 

On 9/26/2025 at 3:30 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

The last member who said that was lying.

 

   Yes you were indeed claiming something .

You stated he was lying .

What are you basing your claims on ? 

How do you know that he was lying ?

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

I have never said there was, or wasn’t a Palestinian country. 
Twisting nothing and in fact posted what you said.

 

Do you agree there never was a country, kingdom, nation or state named Palestine before the PLO announced the State of Palestine in 1988?

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   Yes you were indeed claiming something .

You stated he was lying .

What are you basing your claims on ? 

How do you know that he was lying ?

I did not state he was lying, I stated another member lied.

 

Which member are you asking about?

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Do you agree there never was a country, kingdom, nation or state named Palestine before the PLO announced the State of Palestine in 1988?

You’re playing with semantics.  Israeli’s would love to say Palestine never existed when in fact it did.

 

Call it what you like, it was Palestine before it was Israel.

11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

Yeah, you seem to believe all manner of nonsense. You don't have to believe me, I don't care.

 

In any event, you claiming I am a Jew is just another weak dodge from you.

 

And what difference would it make if I were a Jew? You are not able to answer questions honestly, so you spew nonsense, 

11 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Nonsense.  I am happy to argue with you here and and eat or have a drink with you IRL.  Just because we have opposing view doesn't mean I hate you the way you appear to hate Palestinians.

 

 

There was a country called Mandatory Palestine,  governed by the British under a League of Nations mandate.

 

During this period, residents of all ethnic and religious backgrounds—Jews, Muslims, Christians—held British-issued Palestinian passports, as did Golda Meir.

Palestine has never been a state recognized by the UN. 

 

You are such a phony

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Palestine has never been a state recognized by the UN. 

 

You are such a phony

 

Palestine existed before the UN, which was created post WW2.

 

As for being called a phony "sticks & stones...."

12 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I believe YT is either Israeli, Jewish or has some close (probably familial) connection with same.

 

Yeah, you seem to believe all manner of nonsense. You don't have to believe me, I don't care.

 

In any event, you claiming I am a Jew is just another weak dodge from you.

 

And what difference would it make if I were a Jew? You are not able to answer questions honestly, so you spew nonsense, 

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Palestine existed before the UN, which was created post WW2.

 

As for being called a phony "sticks & stones...."

 

   In which year did Palestine come into existence and who was leader of the Country ?

On 9/21/2025 at 10:07 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Ireland recognised a Palestine state a few month go .

What difference has it made ?

what changes have happened since then ?

 

Obvious to anybody, It will take time to build a force coming from multiple countries 'signing on' to support for Palestine. And keep in mind that netanyahu will fight this force as hard as he can and for as long as he can. He's a nasty evil dictator. Death and los of limbs of hundreds of thousand of kids, and more, means nothing to him. 

 

Also true there needs to be much more solid action to get the captive israelies released.  

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Palestine existed before the UN, which was created post WW2.

So?

3 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Obvious to anybody, It will take time to build a force coming from multiple countries 'signing on' to support for Palestine. And keep in mind that netanyahu will fight this force as hard as he can and for as long as he can. He's a nasty evil dictator. Death and los of limbs of hundreds of thousand of kids, and more, means nothing to him. 

 

Also true there needs to be much more solid action to get the captive israelies released.  

 

    The Countries that recognize Palestine will not be sending any military into support independence .

   If anything the UK would be going into Gaza to fight against Hamas , as the UK have stated that Hamas need to be removed from power and influence