On 9/22/2025 at 12:46 AM, NoDisplayName said:

Shirley, he means the evildoers on Epstein's list, right?

 

Right????

No, he means Obama, and stop calling me Shirley.

5 minutes ago, Fact said:

You are full of delusional babble.  

Sounds like you don't follow the news and/or live in a maga bubble of unreality.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're delusional if you believe it's a literal organization. It is NOT. 

If a group calling themselves ANTIFA engages in violence, they are an organization.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Sounds like you don't follow the news and/or live in a maga bubble of unreality.

Sounds like you are not good at making any points. 

3 minutes ago, Fact said:

ANTIFA is a group of individuals known for engaging mayhem.  How are they fighting fascism? 

It is not an organization. Period.

If you're talking tactics, then I would agree anyone from any ideology that uses political violence is wrong, except in self defense.

The vast majority of domestic U.S. political violence comes from the right wing.

Just now, Jingthing said:

It is not an organization. Period.

If you're talking tactics, then I would agree anyone from any ideology that uses political violence is wrong, except in self defense.

The vast majority of domestic U.S. political violence comes from the right wing.

Antifa is a loosely organized anti-fascist movement known for militant protest tactics, but it isn’t a formal group or a legally designated terrorist organization.

 

Why does ANTIFA call themselves anti anti-fascist while using  fascist tactics? 

8 minutes ago, Fact said:

 

Good question — there’s a bit of nuance here.

The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) has never been formally designated as a “terrorist organization” in the same way that foreign groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS are, because U.S. law only has a legal designation system for foreign terrorist organizations (FTOs), not for domestic ones.

That said:

• As early as the 1870s, the U.S. government recognized the KKK’s violence as terrorism. Congress passed the Enforcement Acts (including the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871), which gave the president power to use federal troops and suspend habeas corpus to suppress Klan violence.

• The FBI and the Department of Justice have long treated KKK violence as domestic terrorism under the U.S. Code definition (18 U.S.C. § 2331), even if there isn’t an “official designation” system.

• In modern counterterrorism discussions, scholars, journalists, and federal agencies frequently describe the KKK as America’s oldest terrorist group.

👉 So the short answer: the KKK has been treated as a domestic terrorist threat since the 19th century, but it has never had a formal “terrorist organization” designation because U.S. law doesn’t allow for designating domestic groups that way.

Do you want me to break down the legal definition of domestic terrorism and show exactly how KKK actions fit under it?

 

 

So this law that doesn't exist can now be used to classify ANTIFA (an organisation that doesn't even exist) as a terrorist organisation?

 

 

Wow!...... the US has some crazy laws....or not?

Just now, Fact said:

Antifa is a loosely organized anti-fascist movement known for militant protest tactics, but it isn’t a formal group or a legally designated terrorist organization.

 

Why does ANTIFA call themselves anti anti-fascist while using  fascist tactics? 

Weird comment. Violence isn't owned by any specific ideology.

Trump is making Antifa which is NOT an organization into a terrorist organization. Be very wary of the road he's going down on that if you value constitutional freedoms. I know maga only cares about the 2nd amendment though.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

So this law that doesn't exist can now be used to classify ANTIFA (an organisation that doesn't even exist) to be classed as a terrorist organisation?

 

 

Wow!...... the US has some crazy laws....or not?

There is U.S. Code definition (18 U.S.C. § 2331).

Just now, Jingthing said:

Weird comment. Violence isn't owned by any specific ideology.

Trump is making Antifa which is NOT an organization into a terrorist organization. Be very wary of the road he's going down on that if you value constitutional freedoms. I know maga only cares about the 2nd amendment though.

You have to admit that ANTIFA uses violence. 

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Weird comment. Violence isn't owned by any specific ideology.

Trump is making Antifa which is NOT an organization into a terrorist organization. Be very wary of the road he's going down on that if you value constitutional freedoms. I know maga only cares about the 2nd amendment though.

 I asked you how a self-proclaimed "Anti-fascist" can go around acting like a fascist?  Your reply did not address my question.

Just now, Fact said:

 I asked you how a self-proclaimed "Anti-fascist" can go around acting like a fascist?  Your reply did not address my question.

It wasn't a question that made any sense.

You're obviously talking about violence and calling violence fascist.

It isn't. Violence is violence and isn't owned by any political ideology.

If you're asking me if I approve or disapprove of violence. I disapprove from anyone of any ideology. Obviously in situations of self defense and wars, violence is necessary.

8 minutes ago, Fact said:

There is U.S. Code definition (18 U.S.C. § 2331).

There is also Brandolini's Law.

Just now, Jingthing said:

It wasn't a question that made any sense.

You're obviously talking about violence and calling violence fascist.

It isn't. Violence is violence and isn't owned by any political ideology.

If you're asking me if I approve or disapprove of violence. I disapprove from anyone of any ideology. Obviously in situations of self defense and wars, violence is necessary.

 

ANTIFA use uses violence.   Thus, you need disprove of ANTIFA.   Just because they call themselves Anti-fascist does not mean anything.  They go around acting like brown shirts. 

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

There is also Brandolini's Law.

Indeed, this is often used by the left.  

1 minute ago, Fact said:

 

ANTIFA use uses violence.   Thus, you need disprove of ANTIFA.   Just because they call themselves Anti-fascist does not mean anything.  They go around acting like brown shirts. 

I disapprove of violent tactics from any person or group. 

Again most of the political violence in the US is from the right wing.

 

Just now, Jingthing said:

I disapprove of violent tactics from any person or group. 

Again most of the political violence in the US is from the right wing.

 

Thus, you must disprove of ANTIFA.  

Just now, Fact said:

Thus, you must disprove of ANTIFA.  

Antifa is not an organization.

In as much as any group uses violence, I disapprove of their tactics.

Just now, Fact said:

Thus, you must disprove of ANTIFA.  

 

One, isn't it disapprove? Two you can disapprove of the tactics used by an organisation with out necessarily disapproving of their objectives and therefore still support them but with reservations.

Just now, Jingthing said:

Antifa is not an organization.

In as much as any group uses violence, I disapprove of their tactics.

Now, you can disavow ANTIFA instead of trying to defend them.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

One, isn't it disapprove? Two you can disapprove of the tactics used by an organisation with out necessarily disapproving of their objectives and therefore still support them but with reservations.

Will, how is this group fighting fascism? 

4 minutes ago, Fact said:

Now, you can disavow ANTIFA instead of trying to defend them.

There is not a them to disavow as they're not an organization.

I can disavow tactics. You're wasting your time now. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

There is not a them to disavow as they're not an organization.

I can disavow tactics. You're wasting your time now. 

They are a loose organization.   Thus,  you agree that the anti-facists act like facists. 

Just now, Fact said:

They are a loose organization.   Thus,  you agree that the anti-facists act like facists. 

We're going in an endless loop. Just stop.

Just now, Jingthing said:

We're going in an endless loop. Just stop.

You are in a loop. 

Just now, Fact said:

You are in a loop. 

Of your own making.

Are you a masochist or something?

Just now, Jingthing said:

Of your own making.

Are you a masochist or something?

 

No, why do you ask? 

Just now, Fact said:

 

No, why do you ask? 

I wasn't asking you for a date.

Just now, Jingthing said:

I wasn't asking you for a date.

 

You're look for a safe exit from this thread after I pointed your logical inconsistencies. 

11 minutes ago, Fact said:

Will, how is this group fighting fascism? 

 

 

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