6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

A dozen???

 

Tell me your story.

Tink you first time Thailand. You need to get out more🙃🙃

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Depends on the age difference ... 

In the context of bar girls being taken out of the bar to be supported, the age difference is usually quite significant.

21 hours ago, Cameroni said:

You have to put her to work. You cannot leave a woman to her own devices. She will get bored and frustrated with life unless she believes she's doing something worthwhile and is entertained.

 

Living it up will work for a while, but it will get boring for her eventually. 

 

So ideally you should map out a never ending project for her that puts her energies to work, to ensure she is not bored.

 

Boredom is the greatest  danger.

Boredom proneness is considered a personality trait. If you have one of those, you're in for a rough ride. You'll be spending your days trying to keep her occupied.

16 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

You think 60 to 75k is a decent salary ? Yikes.

I don't understand.  You think it's too high or too low?  That's THB; risen from 30K/mo ten years ago when I first helped her out of the bar.  It's enabled her to lead a middle class life (taxis, trips to  the beach, school fees), not a life of pleasure living it up.

"Decent" may be ambiguous.  I was going to write "comfortable" but thought that might seem a bit HiSo.  She has a car (her second) and a house in her name where we live.  She enjoys shopping but is not extravagant.  She gives the boys small salaries and teaches them to contribute to their needs.  They go to schools between public and private--tests and modest fees.   These are boys who suffered in public schools and had never been to the beach or a movie theater ten years ago.  They now enjoy school.

14 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

I just checked my bank account and my latest income forecast for next year.

 

Yes I can afford to get a 24 year old as even at my age. 😄

 

What is the rental on them these days? 

 

The "rental" on a 24-year-old is likely to be very high, once they have left the bar. If they don't already have children, they likely want some. If they are dating an older guy, they want the good life to compensate for sleeping next to an old prune LOL. That means they will be focused on owning some real estate and a car, the bare minimum, not to mention taking good care of their extended family. There are no free lunches in this game. They will have a troop of older sisters (close friends) showing them the way.

 

I forgot to mention, bar girls at 24 years of age are mentally very immature, and you will not be able to communicate with them in any meaningful way. They won't want to hang out with "papa", but be with their younger friends, doing what youngsters like to do.

 

So basically, I'm saying that a 24-year-old would be one of the worst possible choices for an older expat. If you need to have sex with one, just hire one for a few hours and get it out of your system.

56 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

The "rental" on a 24-year-old is likely to be very high, once they have left the bar. If they don't already have children, they likely want some. If they are dating an older guy, they want the good life to compensate for sleeping next to an old prune LOL. That means they will be focused on owning some real estate and a car, the bare minimum, not to mention taking good care of their extended family. There are no free lunches in this game. They will have a troop of older sisters (close friends) showing them the way.

 

I forgot to mention, bar girls at 24 years of age are mentally very immature, and you will not be able to communicate with them in any meaningful way. They won't want to hang out with "papa", but be with their younger friends, doing what youngsters like to do.

 

So basically, I'm saying that a 24-year-old would be one of the worst possible choices for an older expat. If you need to have sex with one, just hire one for a few hours and get it out of your system.

 

Thanks for the info but I already knew all of what you said, but thanks anyway.

 

I have heard stories first hand from guys who went though buying a car, then a house, support for the parents and the rest and then ended up broke, why can the old guys not realise that nowhere in the world is it natural for a young woman to fancy an old bloke, it is the money such girls are after. 

 

I was actually taking the piss with my reply to a guy who was showing off as he was paying for a full time 24-year-old. 😄

 

Any of us could do it but I would rather stay happy with my older partner, she was much younger when I met her 25 years ago, but so am I in that respect. 👍

 

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sure, bro.

 

Sure.

 

You will never know.

 

Well off independent women who are successful in business do not hang around in bar-girl bars, so you will never meet such people, but carry on with the payments lad, keep your wallet on display,  I am sure they all really fancy you for just being you. 😄

19 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

Thanks for the info but I already knew all of what you said, but thanks anyway.

 

I have heard stories first hand from guys who went though buying a car, then a house, support for the parents and the rest and then ended up broke, why can the old guys not realise that nowhere in the world is it natural for a young woman to fancy an old bloke, it is the money such girls are after. 

 

I was actually taking the piss with my reply to a guy who was showing off as he was paying for a full time 24-year-old. 😄

 

Any of us could do it but I would rather stay happy with my older partner, she was much younger when I met her 25 years ago, but so am I in that respect. 👍

 

There is only one solution, and that is to keep some few carrots in stock, and do not give all of them away 😉 

 

 

On 9/29/2025 at 7:26 AM, MalcolmB said:

It is very common in Thailand for customers to fall for the Ladies of the Night much like in the Hollywood hit Pretty Woman.

 

So then jealousy kicks in and you don’t want her out there plying her trade every night being soiled by hundreds of men.

 

So you pay her monthly not to work in the sex industry.

 

So now what? Should she get a normal job? Or can she just have a life of pleasure living it up?

I'm sure that it was said before many times that: you can take the girl out of the bar but you can't take the bar out of the girl.

25 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

You will never know.

 

Well off independent women who are successful in business do not hang around in bar-girl bars, so you will never meet such people, but carry on with the payments lad, keep your wallet on display,  I am sure they all really fancy you for just being you. 😄

 

I've already met them, man. They're all over the dating apps. The last thing I want is an "independent" woman.

6 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Boredom proneness is considered a personality trait. If you have one of those, you're in for a rough ride. You'll be spending your days trying to keep her occupied.

 

As is the inclination to be adventurous. If they are that way inclined they are also even more ilkely to cheat. Thrill seeking.

 

That's why I'm saying, it's best if she has a profession, a work, that keeps her busy, so you only have to do that a few days a week.

9 minutes ago, marin said:

So you are not attracted to smart women? That seems about right and is quite telling. 

 

I've never met a woman with a doctorate and said "Whoaaa, that doctorate is so sexy...what a turn on!".

 

Obviously, good intelligence is a bonus, though then they can also be more scheming, devious and dishonest, a double edged sword. Though I wouldn't want her to be more intelligent than me, not that that's ever happened, but it's theoretically possible.

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I've never met a woman with a doctorate and said "Whoaaa, that doctorate is so sexy...what a turn on!".

 

Obviously, good intelligence is a bonus, though then they can also be more scheming, devious and dishonest, a double edged sword. Though I wouldn't want her to be more intelligent than me, not that that's ever happened, but it's theoretically possible.

Oh, the comedian in you, still makes me cracking up 😆 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

I've already met them, man. They're all over the dating apps. The last thing I want is an "independent" woman.

 

Try meeting a woman in person using your own personality,  not through an app where the bar girls also hang out and pretend to be something they are not.

Just now, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

Try meeting a woman in person using your own personality,  not through an app where the bar girls also hang out and pretend to be something they are not.

 

That's how it works, you meet in person after you talk on the app.

 

I've met girls who are business owners and financially successful. Always self-centred, opinionated and difficult. Yet still expect you to pay for everything.

 

Thrill seekers, too, trips abroad, love expensive hobbies, complete nightmares as a partner.

Just now, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

Try meeting a woman in person using your own personality,  not through an app where the bar girls also hang out and pretend to be something they are not.

 

It is first when you start to be true to yourself, you also see the true person you interact with. Not that complicated, but for some it will never happen in a lifetime, since they continue to run away from themselves hiding. 

 

For everyone who mature and realize how simple things really are, it will be a gift for rest of your life. Come at peace within yourself and stop blaiming everyone else as bad people. 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

I've never met a woman with a doctorate and said "Whoaaa, that doctorate is so sexy...what a turn on!".

 

Obviously, good intelligence is a bonus, though then they can also be more scheming, devious and dishonest, a double edged sword. Though I wouldn't want her to be more intelligent than me, not that that's ever happened, but it's theoretically possible.

 

I doubt if there and many bar girls with any sort of education so you will be able to compete with them very easily. 

 

Bar girls must be the most scheming of Thai women, any one willing to sell themselves are not the best of characters. 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's how it works, you meet in person after you talk on the app.

 

I've met girls who are business owners and financially successful. Always self-centred, opinionated and difficult. Yet still expect you to pay for everything.

 

Thrill seekers, too, trips abroad, love expensive hobbies, complete nightmares as a partner.

 

Mutual Commitment where you do not play the successful part who expect women to pay at a date. Successful women wants to see commitment and responsibility 

12 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

Try meeting a woman in person using your own personality,  not through an app where the bar girls also hang out and pretend to be something they are not.

But I don't have much personality, and the little I have is bad!

1 minute ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

I doubt if there and many bar girls with any sort of education so you will be able to compete with them very easily. 

 

Bar girls must be the most scheming of Thai women, any one willing to sell themselves are not the best of characters. 

 

I quite agree. I don't go to girlie bars and in the apps the percentage of girls who work in bars is very small, about 30 per cent, and they are easily spotted and avoided.

 

I avoid bar girls and sex workers of any kind. 

 

There are educated girls who own businessses or work in demanding jobs all over the apps. I know, I have met them. Without fail, they were not as interesting as the girls who had more difficult lives.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's how it works, you meet in person after you talk on the app.

 

I've met girls who are business owners and financially successful. Always self-centred, opinionated and difficult. Yet still expect you to pay for everything.

 

Thrill seekers, too, trips abroad, love expensive hobbies, complete nightmares as a partner.

 

I see, women who are lying about being successful and after your wallet again?

 

Genuine women are a nightmare to you as you have an inferiority complex and feel beneath real educated and successful women. 

 

"Thrill seekers, too, trips abroad, love expensive hobbies......."

 

Yes I have come across women like that, they can do as they please as they have their own money to pay for such things.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I quite agree. I don't go to girlie bars and in the apps the percentage of girls who work in bars is very small, about 30 per cent, and they are easily spotted and avoided.

 

I avoid bar girls and sex workers of any kind. 

 

There are educated girls who own businessses or work in demanding jobs all over the apps. I know, I have met them. Without fail, they were not as interesting as the girls who had more difficult lives.

 

But you have told me many times you pay your woman a certain amount each month to be with you, what is that then?

17 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

I doubt if there and many bar girls with any sort of education so you will be able to compete with them very easily. 

High school and university fees aren't that expensive.

Educate your own like I did.

 

As a bonus, you get to hang out with all her school friends, and then her Uni pals.

7 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

I see, women who are lying about being successful and after your wallet again?

 

Genuine women are a nightmare to you as you have an inferiority complex and feel beneath real educated and successful women. 

 

"Thrill seekers, too, trips abroad, love expensive hobbies......."

 

Yes I have come across women like that, they can do as they please as they have their own money to pay for such things.

 

They're not lying, they really have a successful business. I met one who had a business making curry pastes for supermarkets. She had travelled to Iceland, and many other countries, was into ATV adventures and spending her money on lots of hobbies and thrills. But, believe it or not, still expected you to pay for everything.

 

This woman was very judgemental, difficult, hard to please, and  easily annoyed, quite apart from already having been used  to many experiences, so what you would offer her, would not even be that interesting.

 

The notion that these women are more "genuine" because they have money and a business is not accurate. Other women, who are poorer are often more genuine, as business owners are often apt at wearing different hats and putting on different faces. These well-off women are a night mare because 1) They are used to everything already, you cannot impress them with new experiences 2) They are difficult and opinionated 3) Their hobbies are thrill seeking things like ATV rides, expensive and demanding, like their whole personality 4) They are easily irritated and very demanding.

 

As for me having an "inferiority" complex and feeling beneath these "real educated and successful women", you're obviously mentally defective in some way to make that comment, so I won't go into that nonsense.

 

Yes, indeed these women can do as they please, which is one of the many, many reasons, they make such terrible partners.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

High school and university fees aren't that expensive.

Educate your own like I did.

 

As a bonus, you get to hang out with all her school friends, and then her Uni pals.

 

Very true, most of the professional failures I met, who did not have a successful business all went to university.

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Mutual Commitment where you do not play the successful part who expect women to pay at a date. Successful women wants to see commitment and responsibility 

 

There are many different types of women in the world, not just the stereotypes in your head. 

 

There is not a set of predefined rules to follow. 

 

You may pay for the bill at the restaurant and maybe she will then pay for a meal she has cooked with wine etc at her place, there are no set rules. 

 

There should be fun and laughter involved as well, it is not all about money. 

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But I don't have much personality, and the little I have is bad!

🤣

7 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

But you have told me many times you pay your woman a certain amount each month to be with you, what is that then?

 

That is par for the course when you date very young women, as I do, who have not yet achieved professional success, look after mother and at times need a few thousand baht to pay their electricity bill, rent or food.

 

So obviously, I do not shirk my responsibilities as the boyfriend, and help them out, nice guy that I am.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

They're not lying, they really have a successful business. I met one who had a business making curry pastes for supermarkets. She had travelled to Iceland, and many other countries, was into ATV adventures and spending her money on lots of hobbies and thrills. But, believe it or not, still expected you to pay for everything.

 

This woman was very judgemental, difficult, hard to please, and  easily annoyed, quite apart from already having been used  to many experiences, so what you would offer her, would not even be that interesting.

 

The notion that these women are more "genuine" because they have money and a business is not accurate. Other women, who are poorer are often more genuine, as business owners are often apt at wearing different hats and putting on different faces. These well-off women are a night mare because 1) They are used to everything already, you cannot impress them with new experiences 2) They are difficult and opinionated 3) Their hobbies are thrill seeking things like ATV rides, expensive and demanding, like their whole personality 4) They are easily irritated and very demanding.

 

As for me having an "inferiority" complex and feeling beneath these "real educated and successful women", you're obviously mentally defective in some way to make that comment, so I won't go into that nonsense.

 

Yes, indeed these women can do as they please, which is one of the many, many reasons, they make such terrible partners.

 

Generalised nonsense is all I can say, we can leave it there.