3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Frustrated you can't make your  bogus conspiracy claims stick? 

What conspiracy?

 

You bought the jab.  No refunds.

 

 

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No, They're not. Peddling vaccine misinformation again:

 

Per the Associated Press:

No, COVID-19 vaccines aren’t gene therapy

December 23, 2022

 

"CLAIM: The COVID-19 vaccines “are a gene therapy, NOT a vaccine.”

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The COVID-19 vaccines do not change a person’s genes, as gene therapy does, experts say. The shots from Pfizer and Moderna use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to instruct the body to create a protein from the coronavirus. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine, meanwhile, uses a modified adenovirus to trigger an immune response."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-gene-therapy-806280914802

 

 

The President of BAYER, Stefan Oelrich during the opening ceremony of the World Health Summit, Oct 24, 2021, said:

“Ultimately the mRNA vaccines are an example for that cell and gene therapy … if we had surveyed two years ago … we would’ve probably had a 95% refusal rate … this pandemic has … opened many people’s eyes.”

Note that under enormous pressure he later came back on the statement in which he told Covid-19 vaccines were actually gene therapy.  

 

You're once again proving out the topic of this thread -- Disinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine is a problem.

 

Website Peddles Old, Debunked Falsehood About COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines

June 28, 2022

 

"An executive at the German pharmaceutical company Bayer referred to mRNA vaccines used against COVID-19 as an example of innovation in biotech at the World Health Summit 2021. But a website post takes the executive’s words out of context to falsely claim he said the vaccines are gene therapy.

...

In the context of his speech — which emphasized the value of ingenuity in health care and praised the public’s growing acceptance of new treatments and preventions — it appears he was using the vaccines as an example of new technology that could pave the way for other developments, like the cell and gene therapies that Bayer is working on."

...

The company also has a page on its website explaining how COVID-19 vaccines work and it includes a section debunking the myth that mRNA vaccines can somehow alter DNA.

 

So, the claim circulating now is just a retread of an already debunked falsehood about the vaccines, which have proven to be both safe and effective.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/scicheck-website-peddles-old-debunked-falsehood-about-covid-19-mrna-vaccines/

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; 

 

Months !!!  🤣  it takes years and years to prove if a novel therapeutic is "safe and effective" 

mRNA vaccine structure was in use prior to Covid.  The first mRNA vaccines  were developed against the Ebola virus. The technology was not used for other vaccines because  it was expensive and needed an economy of scale to  support wider use. 

 

The R&D path began in the early 1980's at the  University of British Columbia in Canada. Dr. Pieter Cullis and his team solved the puzzle of lipids and their potential use in  medical treatments. A lot of  R&D went on for the next 25 years. Then in 2007 Dr. Derrick Rossi,  the Canadian stem cell biologist, started  his lab at Harvard Medical School. By 2009 he had used mRNA to make adult cells function like embryonic stem cells.He then founded Moderna in 2010.

In 2014, Dr. Kizzmekia Corbett, a researcher with the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the United States,was already working  on coronavirus biology and vaccine development. He was building on the Canadian   government research and data base following the  Canadian SARS crisis in 2003 and the Saudi Arabian Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) in 2012.  Dr. Corbett's team made the pivotal discoveries on the spike protein and vaccine development. This is when the NIH started its relationship with Moderna.

 

mRNA vaccines did not happen overnight. There were decades of testing and research. 

Too many non scientists talking like they know it all. 

Why is it all the negative claims are directed at western vaccines? How come there are no reported illnesses or conspiracies  associated with the Russian and Chinese vaccines? The Russians were giving away their Sputnik vaccine, even if it wasn't  particularly effective. Same for the Chinese vaccines.

Just now, Purdey said:

Too many non scientists talking like they know it all. 

As opposed to all you non-scientists that actually do know it all?

15 minutes ago, Airalee said:

What conspiracy?

 

You bought the jab.  No refunds.

 

 

 

I guess I need to speak to you in a language you seem to prefer:

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I guess I need to speak to you in a language you seem to prefer:

 

The vaccines are transitioning people? 

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

mRNA vaccines did not happen overnight. There were decades of testing and research. 

In the lab in a test tube and on mice...never before in a worldwide 

coerced and propagandised human population...all those who took took part in the "covid vaccine" experiment are unfortunately now the the mice.

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

How come there are no reported illnesses or conspiracies  associated with the Russian and Chinese vaccines?

 

Because they are not mRNA   ???

Because those 2 countries  are free and fair democracies with strong track records of freedom of speech rights too ???

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The vaccines are transitioning people? 

Mark Bajerski reckons that the mRNA vaxxes take away the recipient's soul.

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Mark Bajerski reckons that the mRNA vaxxes take away the recipient's soul.

So Bajerski has evidence that the soul exists? That would win some awards. 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans."

36 minutes ago, johng said:

In the lab in a test tube and on mice...never before in a worldwide 

coerced and propagandised human population...all those who took took part in the "covid vaccine" experiment are unfortunately now the the mice.

So what was the ebola vaccine?

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

So what was the ebola vaccine?

 

Not forced upon an unsuspecting worldwide  population

and to me ( not a virologist and so a total idiot)

looks like it is not an mRNA  'vaccine'

it uses a genetically modified  vesicular stomatitis virus the modified bit to look like a bit from Ebola virus.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/ebola/hcp/vaccines/index.html#cdc_vaccine_product_information_contraindications_and_precautions-precautions-and-contraindications

 

 

ERVEBO® is a replication-competent, live, attenuated recombinant vesicular stomatitis virus (VSV) vaccine. It is not possible to become infected with EBOV from the vaccine. The vaccine only contains a gene from the Ebola virus, not the whole virus.

 

interestingly later it warns

 

Presence of VSV RNA post vaccine

Attenuated VSV vaccine virus RNA has been detected by reverse-transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) in urine up to seven days post-vaccination, in blood and saliva up to 14 days post-vaccination, and in fluid from skin vesicles up to 20 days post-vaccination. Transmission of vaccine virus through personal contact is theoretically possible. Healthcare providers administering vaccine should exercise appropriate infection control practices.

Vaccine recipients should avoid:

• Sharing needles, razors, toothbrushes, eating utensils, drinking from the same cup, and open mouth kissing for two weeks after vaccination. If oral sores develop after vaccination, vaccine recipients should avoid these activities until the sores heal.
• Contact and association with immunocompromised individuals, pregnant or breastfeeding women, and children less than 1 year of age for up to six weeks following vaccination.
• Exposing livestock to the recipient's blood and body fluids for up to six weeks following vaccination.

 

So like the "live attenuated" Polio 'vaccine' 

this one can also give you some undesirable side effects

not as bad as Ebola or Polio  but still.

Vesicular stomatitis virus  symptoms seem very similar to the

Monkey Pox  that was all the rage just a short while ago.

 

 

Was the Ebola vaccine not tested for five years?

 

Ebola death rate was I think about 50% as well

On 10/5/2025 at 8:44 PM, thesetat said:

I would have to agree.. Most misinformation or incorrect information given by the government or government agencies to get the masses to cooperate quietly. Then it becomes easy to silence the ones that go against their narrative.  Who can honestly and accurately say that the Covid spread as well as the vaccine demands were not supplied with misinformation or lack of information given by the governments. WE all know how easily and how often the press as well as anyone spouting government  rhetoric can be manipulated to use their access to the public to push the narrative as prescribed by the government. Just look at how TAT and all the other Thai agencies manipulate the stories in the news. This happens worldwide. For all we know, Covid was created by and distributed worldwide to boost the Phancy companies who were faltering at the time. The reports from doctors and independent tests on populations for the vaccine  who went against the government rhetoric were silenced. Social media banned and blocked anything and everything that went against the government rhetoric. There was so much control over the mainstream stories how good the vaccine was and how bad the virus was that it seemed unreal. Who can honestly say they know for sure the vaccine helped stop deaths and has no future related incidents caused by the vaccines forced on everyone. We all know that the vaccine did not prevent anyone catching Covid. So why force it so much into people to have to take it? There are so many questions relating to this. It does not take some conspiracy theorists to get the feeling something was wrong with how the world governments managed the virus as well as silencing those respectable doctors who went against the rhetoric the governments wanted you to see and hear. The link to this fact check in the initial Op only relies on what the government tells them is accurate. So, I will repeat a sentence from above. 

Most misinformation or incorrect information given by the government or government agencies are to get the masses to cooperate quietly. Then it becomes easy to silence the ones that go against their narrative.  Who can honestly and accurately say that the Covid spread as well as the vaccine demands were not supplied with misinformation or lack of information given by the governments. WE all know how easily and how often the press as well as anyone spouting government  rhetoric can be manipulated to use their access to the public to push the narrative as prescribed by the government. Anyone who believes the government is releasing all the facts about anything really needs to see their own head doctor. Governments only tell you what they think or want you to know or think. Truths and lies are blurred or silenced. 

It is not possible to state that governments provide the public with 100% truth and facts at any given time. Numerous factors, including national security concerns, the potential for public panic, and political motivations, lead to governments withholding or selectively releasing information. A truly and completely transparent government is a theoretical ideal, not a consistent reality

Well said mate - nail on the head hit.

 

IMO a major part of what happened is because of what happened following the MERS and SARS outbreaks. After those two virus outbreaks, the USA and most countries worked with the UN (WHO) to implement a series of international protocols to deal with what would happen if/when a MERS or SARS outbreak occurred on a global scale. The death rate of MERS and SARS, the previous coronavirus outbreaks, was between 20-40%. But those outbreaks were isolated geographically because if did not spread easily.  When Covid first hit it was identified as a Coronavirus and they panicked and declared a Pandemic and implemented all those protocols. Part of those protocols was the shut down of any 'disinformation' that would stop People from following the Government's directives. That was the beginning of the problems - first that they developed a global protocol - and second that they pressed the panic button.

 

Once that button was pressed, things were implemented under those protocols. Of note was that even when it became clear that the mortality rate was nowhere near SARS or MERS, they refused to stop.  Bureaucracies never easily give up power and control in doing what they are doing - so they continued to plough on forward despite the growing concerns being raised - shutting them down as 'disinformation'. 

 

In hindsight it is clear fairly quickly that it was not a MERS/SARS type virus that was going to kill 50-100 million people.  Because it was 'made' (or evolved if you think that) using the standard a bad flu structures as a base, it did what was flu viruses do - mutated and weakened its mortality rate so that it can spread far and wide. MERS and SARS did not do that - they either killed or made the hosts very sick, and they were not very contagious (unlike a flu),  and therefore they died out. 

 

IMO all the things done wrong, were directly because of the UN (WHO)  International Protocols that were signed on to by most countries.  Trump withdrew from the WHO in 2020 because of what happened, and as of this date the USA is not a member of WHO.  IMO every country should make their own plans and implement them themselves for any serious disease or epidemic. There is no way the UN should be telling countries how to deal with any such outbreak - there is no 'one size fits all' solution to anything.  

On 10/6/2025 at 5:52 AM, save the frogs said:

 

So you're saying Fauci is like the Pope? 

 

Silly monkeys never listen - they dont have the ability.