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Law breaking Israelis causing more problems in Thailand

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11 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

They could just ban them like other countries have done.

 

 

Indonesia and Malaysia are predominantly Muslim countries.

 

I guess Israelis will avoid Thai provinces with high numbers of Muslims? 

 

But then again, Jewish people and Muslims are co-existing fine in Western countries. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I am very concerned about pockets of Thailand becoming Israeli Ghettos

The jews im my country (UK) do not live in ghettos , preferring gated upmarket developments,  we do have ghettos however and they are  occupied by our own underclass or followers of the religion of peace

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

The Bangkok Post, Channel 3, Kaosod etc etc.

 

Why some people have been brainwashed into believing the Israel behavior shouldn’t be called out for what it is is puzzling.

Called out is one thing.

You're doing something much more extreme than that.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I guess Israelis will avoid Thai provinces with high numbers of Muslims?

As most other people do, too

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well you could go to a country that bans all Israelis for political reasons such as Malaysia or Indonesia.

Thailand is never going to do that.

As far as extra security for Chabad centers, can you provide actual evidence of such extra costs, if any?

I do know that Jewish spaces globally have security concerns and the actual security protection mechanics (whether from the Jewish community, state, or a mix) are specific to specific situations.

 

Good question. Whilst Thailand has not made the extra cost of policing the various Chabad centres in Thailand public, and I gather there are several and in particular in Pai the conflict arose because of a Chabad House, if we look towards Germany, who have made the extra cost of policing synagogoues public, the cost is 26 million US Dollars a year of extra burden for the tax payer.

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1600374282-germany-allocates-26-million-to-protect-synagogues-jewish-community-centers

48 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

To clarify about this all Israeli passport holders are banned entering all of Indonesia. Same as Malaysia. Not because of bad behavior as tourists or expats but because of foreign policy about the government of Israel.

I think that your post implied differently. 

It also could be if you have an Israeli stamp in your passport, get refused entry, 

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Just now, Jingthing said:

Called out is one thing.

You're doing something much more extreme than that.

Rubbish.

 

If it was any other group causing all this endless trouble for our beautiful Thai hosts you wouldn’t be defending their disgusting and criminal behavior.

 

It is a big problem and should be addressed.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Good question. Whilst Thailand has not made the extra cost of policing the various Chabad centres in Thailand public, and I gather there are several and in particular in Pai the conflict arose because of a Chabad House, if we look towards Germany, who have made the extra cost of policing public, the cost is 26 million US Dollars a year of extra burden for the tax payer.

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1600374282-germany-allocates-26-million-to-protect-synagogues-jewish-community-centers

Germany is a special case. 

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2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Tensions and Israelis seems to be a common theme.

 

Your distaste for Jews also seems to be a common theme.

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1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

As most other people do, too

Phuket is the most popular tourist destination outside of Bangkok and is about 33% Muslim.

 

This OP is about tourist avoiding Israelis. 
 

Pai has had a lot of problems with them and is 98% Buddhist.

 

Nice try tough, not letting your racism get in the way of a good story 

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Rubbish.

 

If it was any other group causing all this endless trouble for our beautiful Thai hosts you wouldn’t be defending their disgusting and criminal behavior.

 

It is a big problem and should be addressed.

You're posting rubbish. 

It's not as if Israeli tourists/expats are the only people who have badly misbehaved in Thailand.

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Germany is a special case. 

Why?

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Germany is a special case. 

 

It may be a special case on many levels, but the cost of policing synagogues is not a "special case", countries all over the world have to take extra measures to protect synagogues, from UK to US to Germany to Spain to France and certainly in Thailand.

 

This creates an extra burden on tax payers, in Germany the cost is 26 million USD, and the cost would be similar in most countries.

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Indonesia and Malaysia are predominantly Muslim countries.

 

I guess Israelis will avoid Thai provinces with high numbers of Muslims? 

 

But then again, Jewish people and Muslims are co-existing fine in Western countries. 

 

Try asking the guy who got stabbed the other week in Manchester outside the Synagogue 

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Phuket is the most popular tourist destination outside of Bangkok and is about 33% Muslim.

 

This OP is about tourist avoiding Israelis. 
 

Pai has had a lot of problems with them and is 98% Buddhist.

 

Nice try tough, not letting your racism get in the way of a good story 

Funny to hear you point out racism.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

It may be a special case on many levels, but the cost of policing synagogues is not a "special case", countries all over the world have to take extra measures to protect synagogues, from UK to US to Germany to Spain to France and certainly in Thailand.

So what do you want to do? Outlaw Jews worshipping? 

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1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

It may be a special case on many levels, but the cost of policing synagogues is not a "special case", countries all over the world have to take extra measures to protect synagogues, from UK to US to Germany to Spain to France and certainly in Thailand.

 

This creates an extra burden on tax payers, in Germany the cost is 26 million USD, and the cost would be similar in most countries.

So true.

Wherever they go, trouble follows it seems.

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Why?

Hilarious that you would ask that. If you really don't know -- cut that, of course you know. 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So what do you want to do? Outlaw Jews worshipping? 

 

Clearly a special tax should be imposed on Israeli visitors and Israeli expats in Thailand, to cover the millions of dollars that have to be expended to protect their never ending "places of worship", from synagogues to Chabad Houses  and all the other Jewish religious associations.

 

Whilst this would be unlikely to cover the full cost of policing Chabad houses and synagogues, etc, which is most likely in the  20 million dollar range in Thailand, it would have the very beneficial impact to drive down tourist numbers of Israelis and also the number of Israeli expats..

 

Of course the mafioso Israelis with money will not be deterred, to be fair this tax should be based on income.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Clearly a special tax should be imposed on Israeli visitors and Israeli expats in Thailand, to cover the millions of dollars that have to be expended to protect their never ending "places of worship", from synagogues to Chabad Houses  and all the other Jewish religious associations.

SLEAZY LIE!

You have zero idea of the dollar cost to Thailand.

Also if there is a cost there is also of course an economic benefit to have any kind of tourists and expats.

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

SLEAZY LIE!

You have zero idea of the dollar cost to Thailand.

Also if there is a cost there is also of course an economic benefit to have any kind of tourists and expats.

 

That's patently untrue, if Germany expends 26 million US Dollars to protect synagogues it is reasonable to estimate the cost of protecting synagogues and Chaba Houses in Thailand at around 20 million US Dollars.

 

Again, a figure the Thai tax payer has to bear.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's patently untrue, if Germany expends 26 million US Dollars to protect synagogues it is reasonable to estimate the cost of protecting synagogues and Chaba Houses in Thailand at around 20 million US Dollars.

 

Again, a figure the Thai tax payer has to bear.

 

Actually the 26 Miillion Germany spends on protecting Synagogues, is only the federal government subsidiy. In reality the local "states" pay for the policing, which costs Hessia 10 million Euro a year. So the total cost of protecting jewish centres of learning, synaogues, etc comes to around.126million USD, if you include what each state spends on this each year.

 

The 26 million is only the additional federal subsidy.

 

So it is more than likely that Thailand spends at leasat 20 million to protect snyagogues, Chabad Houses etc, probably more.

50 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Here is an English sign for you from the news 5 days ago.

The Thais have had enough of them.

 

https://alkhamisa.com/en/thai-restaurant-posts-sign-banning-israelis-sparking-controversy/

 

 

 

 

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My original post was asking about the sign you mentioned about Thais being banned from an Israeli establishment, I've seen the 'no Israeli' ones. 

This is what you said ,quote. 

 

 

'There was an Israeli place up in Pai earlier this year that had a sign up benning Thais.

 

That is what kicked it off together with the hospital incident.'

They learned it from their government: rudeness wins.

Once a Pariah, always a Pariah 

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1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I consider this entire topic yet another malicious transparent effort to insult all Jewish Israeli nationals.

 

You would be an expert on malicious efforts to defame someone ........ as you make every effort to do so regarding anything to do with the duly elected Republican agendas and the President of the US.

 

To take offense to this topic , given the vitreol you dish out week after week within other topics, mostly political......... is the greatest example of hypocricy on this site.

 

From what i read,  those here who might have some negative views of Israeli visitors and attitudes of some of them ....... these views are presented quite civily when compared to the names and utterly undignified slanders you feel entitled to throw out here .   

 

Maybe you could try to set a better example  ?     

11 minutes ago, roo860 said:

My original post was asking about the sign you mentioned about Thais being banned from an Israeli establishment, I've seen the 'no Israeli' ones. 

This is what you said ,quote. 

 

 

'There was an Israeli place up in Pai earlier this year that had a sign up benning Thais.

 

That is what kicked it off together with the hospital incident.'

 

No, I think what kicked it off was the creation of a local Chabad House in Pai, which caused great tension with the local population.

 

 

37 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, and to be fair other nationalities also congegrate in their "ghettos", Brits, Germans, Indians,

Brits do not live in ghettos,   we live in neighbourhoods or communities, and formerly colonies

I imagine it's the same with Germans.   But  Indians ,  Pakistanis and Africans are a different matter

Speaking of the issues in Pai, what appears to be at the root of this is a great and disproportionate influx of Israelis, which appears to be caused by two factors, the opening of a local Chabad House in Pai, and the promotion of Pai as a destination for IDF soldiers to visit to recuperate.

 

Locals allege that some Israeli tourists refuse to pay for accommodation, services and motorbike rentals, flout traffic regulations, cause disturbances through excessive noise and alcohol consumption, and engage in drug use and petty theft.  These actions, they claim, place a significant strain on the local police and healthcare services.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/politics/40046513

 

The cost of poliicing synagogues and Chabad houses has to be increased by the strain Israelis place on local Thai police with criminal actions and demands on healthcare.

 

 

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes. Widely reported at the time.

 

 

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