On 10/23/2025 at 7:36 AM, Ralf001 said:

 

Manslaughter...... bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

Why was Bazza on the road ?

I don't know or care whether he has a nickname not does it matter Why he was there or not.

My comment was in general to the road safety in this country. Crosswalk are there for a reason with signals or not see one there is a reason slow down proceed with caution. I was taught pedestrian always have the right of way why because no human can overcome Kilos of steel deliver with speed and force vehicle are considered weapons and it is time the leaders of this country start to realize it!

For whatever reason he was crossing and when neither he or you or anyone you love or care for should meet such a faith. 

On 10/23/2025 at 5:47 AM, jacko45k said:

Don't be obtuse, most of the reports I have read use the term  'speeding motorbike', which most certainly suggests fault. The OP here says it too!

No such thing as 'turning green', they are either green or not' and there should be no speeding on approach to lights that were not green, nor speeding when there is a pedestrian in the road..

Where have you been? Most traffic lights count down to green when green is close (10 seconds to go), so you could say when the countdown starts, it's "turning green". They also count down to red, which is extremely dangerous as vehicles speed up to make the light before it turns red.

Obviously the guy on the motorbikr was going too fast ,he was going to gun it through 

23 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Where have you been? Most traffic lights count down to green when green is close (10 seconds to go), so you could say when the countdown starts, it's "turning green". They also count down to red, which is extremely dangerous as vehicles speed up to make the light before it turns red.

I cannot recall that is the case at this junction. 

On 10/22/2025 at 4:23 PM, VBF said:

I corresponded with Barry twice over the years regarding visa issues - he was most helpful, courteous and efficient.

I also met him once at a party given by a mutual friend where he also turned out to be a "damn good sort".

 

I only mention that to show appropriate respect, but I suppose it's possible that his eyesight and/or reactions had deteriorated due to his age.

Doesn't make the incident any less sad of course, but just a thought.

 

He was indeed a gentleman.

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

I cannot recall that is the case at this junction. 

I do know that set of traffic lights counts down to green and red. I was only commenting that "turning green" is a thing here in Pattaya.

On 10/23/2025 at 10:54 AM, Georgealbert said:

The Pattaya Mail has posted details of the funeral service.

Schedule of Funeral Rites

23 October 15.00 hrs: Bathing Rites

24-28 October 19.00 hrs: Prayers

29 October 15.00 hrs: Cremation Ceremony

 

Wat Tham Samakkhi Temple South Pattaya
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uZT4HM6hcWbVE5Jx6?g_st=al

 

5:00pm is not 15:00 hrs.

 

Which one is it?

11 minutes ago, treetops said:

 

5:00pm is not 15:00 hrs.

 

Which one is it?

As the post say, the details are taken from the Pattaya Mail.

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/in-loving-memory-of-barry-kenyon-523545

On 10/22/2025 at 11:47 PM, jacko45k said:

Don't be obtuse, most of the reports I have read use the term  'speeding motorbike', which most certainly suggests fault. The OP here says it too!

No such thing as 'turning green', they are either green or not' and there should be no speeding on approach to lights that were not green, nor speeding when there is a pedestrian in the road..

Did the biker have insurance and a   license ?

On 10/23/2025 at 4:54 PM, Georgealbert said:

The Pattaya Mail has posted details of the funeral service.

Schedule of Funeral Rites

23 October 15.00 hrs: Bathing Rites

24-28 October 19.00 hrs: Prayers

29 October 15.00 hrs: Cremation Ceremony

 

Wat Tham Samakkhi Temple South Pattaya
https://maps.app.goo.gl/uZT4HM6hcWbVE5Jx6?g_st=al

Pattaya Mail have now corrected the time on the funeral service notice.

 

 

14 hours ago, p414 said:

Did the biker have insurance and a   license ?

Heaven knows. If the rider rented it, likely it came with the bog standard CPTL insurance that costs a few hundred baht a year. As to licence, well I do not know if a Thai one (no real need to show larger bike skills) was used or an IDP. When I used to get an IDP in the UK they stamped all the boxes giving me qualification to drive everything, a fork lift truck and tractor included. 

I debated whether to start a new thread as I hear that this offends some people to talk about the details of the accident.

But decided it was OK here as there has already been a lot of discussion about that.

 

This article in the Daily Mail gives a much clearer picture (in my opinion) as to what actually happened.

 

Others may read it differently, but what I gleaned was:

 

He did cross at the light or at least near the light.

He was on the median and at the time he stepped down the light was red.

But it was a very stale red.

So soon after he stepped down the light turned green and the rest is tragic history.

 

If my reading is true or close to true, it brings up something for others to consider.

When crossing busy roads and you see the light is red if you don't see a time counter, do you just hope it's a fresh red and risk crossing on a stale red. Or do you wait perhaps wasting a lot of time if it was fresh until the next cycle.

 

Sorry to those that are offended by this.

 

British MBE-honoured author, 84, is mowed down and killed by motorbike rider while crossing a road in Thailand | Daily Mail Online

49 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I debated whether to start a new thread as I hear that this offends some people to talk about the details of the accident.

But decided it was OK here as there has already been a lot of discussion about that.

 

This article in the Daily Mail gives a much clearer picture (in my opinion) as to what actually happened.

 

Others may read it differently, but what I gleaned was:

 

He did cross at the light or at least near the light.

He was on the median and at the time he stepped down the light was red.

But it was a very stale red.

So soon after he stepped down the light turned green and the rest is tragic history.

 

If my reading is true or close to true, it brings up something for others to consider.

When crossing busy roads and you see the light is red if you don't see a time counter, do you just hope it's a fresh red and risk crossing on a stale red. Or do you wait perhaps wasting a lot of time if it was fresh until the next cycle.

 

Sorry to those that are offended by this.

 

British MBE-honoured author, 84, is mowed down and killed by motorbike rider while crossing a road in Thailand | Daily Mail Online

 

so he stepped out in front of the scoot.

3 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

so he stepped out in front of the scoot.

No.

He was a lovely bloke and very helpful to me when I had call to use him professionally back in 2003 so sorry to see him go violently and not quitely in his sleep. RIP Barry you left the world a better place than you found it. Thappray Raod is a terrible race track - it's better to spend 5 minutes trying to cross it than chance it and lose your life. Saw a terrible accident there last winter when we did out usual 3 months sojourn in Jomtien. Do take care when crossing Thai roads and be patient and never cross on corners. 

 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/barry-kenyon-cremation-ceremony-29-october-at-3-p-m-523545

28 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

months sojourn

Beautiful word.

Sojourn...stop- over ,short journey 

Something needs to be done about that bloody road and safety of pedestrians 

 

Even going across where that bread shop is can be dangerous 

 

There needs to be more police activity,no use saying we need more WALK lights ...they don't stop !

 

12 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Something needs to be done about that bloody road and safety of pedestrians 

 

Even going across where that bread shop is can be dangerous 

 

There needs to be more police activity,no use saying we need more WALK lights ...they don't stop !

 

The problem with traffic in Thailand is that nothing will be done the onus is entirely on the individual. You must treat every road crossing as a potential death trap and take every possible precaution. If it takes five minutes to cross safely, then it takes five minutes. Use that time to watch the chaos unfold and be thankful you’re not contributing to it.

 

The only thing I ever truly fear in Thailand is the roads and the drivers they are among the worst in the world.

 

One of the saddest things I witnessed during my time in Thailand happened the day after Valentine’s Day a few years ago, at a junction near Central Festival. There was an elderly white couple probably Scandinavian, in their seventies. The man lay motionless and bloodied on the road while his wife stood over him, her face filled with shock, fear, and utter sadness, as paramedics worked desperately to save him.

In my mind, they weren’t the typical tourists perhaps they were here for a special occasion. But in a moment of misjudgment, as they crossed the corner, the motorcycle didn’t see him or he didn’t see it and now he lay there, possibly dead, from a split-second lapse in awareness.

 

Let Barry’s sad and tragic death be a solemn reminder to us all: never forget how unforgiving the roads can be, and always take care.

 

Speaking both specifically about that very dangerous intersection, and presumably at thousands of other roads in Thailand, you can follow every safest possible procedure while crossing and still be at significant risk.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Speaking both specifically about that very dangerous intersection, and presumably at thousands of other roads in Thailand, you can follow every safest possible procedure while crossing and still be at significant risk.

Upon returning to the UK after my "sojourn", I greatly anticipate the finished pavements, good roads, efficient roundabouts, consistent road discipline, and overall safety. I look forward to the clean air, polite people, clear signage, preserved heritage, the security of the NHS, competitive supermarkets, the stability of our democracy, justice and the rule of law, the fundamental rights of freedom of speech and thought, and the profound value of the structural guarantees paid for through high taxes, high labour costs, and rigorous regulation, which contrasts sharply with the low-cost environment of Thailand where those guarantees are reduced; the pleasure of great springs and summers, access to decent TV, and the peace of mind provided by cars with regular MOTs.If you moved to Thailand you wanted cheap and that's what you got. 

 

The sad bitter truth is had Barry lived in the Uk he would probably still be alive but his life may not have been diverse. 

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/barry-kenyon-honoured-as-pattaya-community-comes-together-in-moving-farewell-524646

On 10/31/2025 at 6:33 AM, Jingthing said:

I debated whether to start a new thread as I hear that this offends some people to talk about the details of the accident.

But decided it was OK here as there has already been a lot of discussion about that.

 

This article in the Daily Mail gives a much clearer picture (in my opinion) as to what actually happened.

 

Others may read it differently, but what I gleaned was:

 

He did cross at the light or at least near the light.

He was on the median and at the time he stepped down the light was red.

But it was a very stale red.

So soon after he stepped down the light turned green and the rest is tragic history.

 

If my reading is true or close to true, it brings up something for others to consider.

When crossing busy roads and you see the light is red if you don't see a time counter, do you just hope it's a fresh red and risk crossing on a stale red. Or do you wait perhaps wasting a lot of time if it was fresh until the next cycle.

 

Sorry to those that are offended by this.

 

British MBE-honoured author, 84, is mowed down and killed by motorbike rider while crossing a road in Thailand | Daily Mail Online

There are crossings that never go green for crossing (such as Thepraya by Thepprasit) so as always you can't rely on lights, have to look to ensure it's clear for the duration of your crossing, running may be required

On 10/20/2025 at 11:10 AM, Vietem said:

I had a book published some years ago which Barry kindly proof-read for me. Didn't ask for anything. True gent. 

Is it available for us to read ?