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Easiest Initial Visa to then convert to Non IMM O

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I am a USA citizen, aged 68.  I have been to Thailand many times over the years going back to 2004 and always used the Visa Exempt on arrival for my one or two month visits(got a 30 day extension on a few trips..  Now looking at going to Thailand on either the typical Visa Exempt now 60 day method, then probably doing the 30 day extension while working on getting the Non Imm O , over 50 for retirement.  I get that general process.  Gets a 90 day Non Imm O, then apply for one year extension.

 

However as I look at the new Thai E Visa site, there seems to be a Non IMM O 09 day stay option I can select and apply for while still in the USA.  It would seem then that would be the easy thing to get first, then when I get to Thailand I can work on getting the one year extension.  But all day long as I tried to fill out and submit the Evisa it always freezes and never completes.  Is the site malfunctioning or is there really no way to get the Non IMM O visa for 90?

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  • You would need to get your initial 1-year extension with 800k in the bank.  The account must remain at 800k for at least 3 months after your extension, and can never drop below 400k the rest of the ye

  • Your best option is to obtain Non O eVisa while in the US.  Do you have a Thai bank account in your name only.  If you do not then you must obtain the Non O eVisa prior to entering Thailand.

  • It certainly can be done and I just had a try.  The site is definitely freezing at the visa selection fields.  However, after a few minutes the fields do complete with the selected option.  Be patient

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1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

It would seem then that would be the easy thing to get first, then when I get to Thailand I can work on getting the one year extension.  But all day long as I tried to fill out and submit the Evisa it always freezes and never completes.  Is the site malfunctioning or is there really no way to get the Non IMM O visa for 90?

Your best option is to obtain Non O eVisa while in the US. 

Do you have a Thai bank account in your name only. 

If you do not then you must obtain the Non O eVisa prior to entering Thailand. 

That will enable you to open a Thai bank account. 

Don't know why your application is freezing. 

Assume you ticked Non O single entry 90 days. 

 

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https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

Is the site malfunctioning or is there really no way to get the Non IMM O visa for 90?

 

It certainly can be done and I just had a try.  The site is definitely freezing at the visa selection fields.  However, after a few minutes the fields do complete with the selected option.  Be patient and it should work.

 

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14 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Your best option is to obtain Non O eVisa while in the US. 

Do you have a Thai bank account in your name only. 

If you do not then you must obtain the Non O eVisa prior to entering Thailand. 

That will enable you to open a Thai bank account. 

Don't know why your application is freezing. 

Assume you ticked Non O single entry 90 days. 

 

https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2025_03/image.png.a8a8905c2a46c7fb40efaa5ef5f1f281.pngFetching info...  

 

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

Yes I did thanks

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14 hours ago, Upnotover said:

 

It certainly can be done and I just had a try.  The site is definitely freezing at the visa selection fields.  However, after a few minutes the fields do complete with the selected option.  Be patient and it should work.

 

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Yes that is exactly what I selected.  I will get back to it.  Thanks

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14 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Your best option is to obtain Non O eVisa while in the US. 

Do you have a Thai bank account in your name only. 

If you do not then you must obtain the Non O eVisa prior to entering Thailand. 

That will enable you to open a Thai bank account. 

Don't know why your application is freezing. 

Assume you ticked Non O single entry 90 days. 

 

https://assets.aseannow.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2025_03/image.png.a8a8905c2a46c7fb40efaa5ef5f1f281.pngFetching info...  

 

https://www.thaievisa.go.th/

No Thai bank acccount...  Yes I made the right selection it just kind of stalls.  Thanks.

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Man, still can not get the site to move much.  Now, it is stuck at the initial login.  I have tried at various times of the day in case the Thai servers or whatever are sleeping or busy..  I use firfox usually.  maybe will try Edge or Chrome??  I tried Edge and it now seems to be working and I am filling out the online stuff

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man this took several iterations.  Finally got to the end and submitted and tried to pay.  Of course my credit card rejected foreign payment initially.  I had to reply yes to their text message and then credit card citicard said try payment again.  So back to visa site and got to payment part.  Submitted payment, now status is pending document check (1) is the status.  whatever that means or what document it is checking.  even thought just a 90 day initial visa, I had to submit proof of income or 800 k baht.  I uploaded by USA social security benefit statement.  Site also asked for flight number expected, expected arrival and departure dates, accomodation location, phone number including all the sub province information.  I used Diana Estates off of soi bukhao where I have stayed before and lady named Meow was very helpful.   I guess this info is not that different from the old Arrival Card we used to fill out.   Proof of current location I uploaded a copy of my USA driver license which has my Home address on it.  No idea if they then want utility bill or some other document.  Been ten minutes now and waiting to see what happens.  Ok got email receipt for payment.  Does not guarantee that the visa is approved.  I am a bit nervous that the visa asked for income or deposit verification amounts.  I hope the online 90 day thing is not mixing up requirements for extension.  It did not ask for proof of transfers, which seems ok as one would not have made transfers yet.  Oh man if only the USA embassy would issue the Income statement affidavits as before.  Things would be so much simpler

 

Next question is , assuming this visa gets approved, do I still need to do the TDAC thing within 3 days of my arrival?

Now you wait.  If they want more information you'll receive an e-mail letting you know what they want.  If not, you'll receive the visa anywhere from 3-15 days normally.

 

If you don't have a Thai passport, you have to do a TDAC every time you arrive in Thailand.

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Just now, BrandonJT said:

Now you wait.  If they want more information you'll receive an e-mail letting you know what they want.  If not, you'll receive the visa anywhere from 3-15 days normally.

 

If you don't have a Thai passport, you have to do a TDAC every time you arrive in Thailand.

Roger that.  I put down an expected arrival date of December 7 so I have time to plan.  I have not booked anything yet.  I am committed here in the USA until November 15 anyway.  Just hope that if they have any questions I can give them what they want and can get this visa approved and that they don't play games and take my money, reject the application and would have to do it again.  I had that experience with Indian visa once and didn't re apply.  Plus the indian site at the time said you may get a 5 or a 10 year visa/  I don't like paying in advance with no gurantees of what I am even paying for!

16 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

Roger that.  I put down an expected arrival date of December 7 so I have time to plan.  I have not booked anything yet.  I am committed here in the USA until November 15 anyway.  Just hope that if they have any questions I can give them what they want and can get this visa approved and that they don't play games and take my money, reject the application and would have to do it again.  I had that experience with Indian visa once and didn't re apply.  Plus the indian site at the time said you may get a 5 or a 10 year visa/  I don't like paying in advance with no gurantees of what I am even paying for!

Normally the only reason they would reject without giving you a chance to fix would be if you made a mistake on your passport information, like your name or passport number, etc.

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OK.  its been one day since I paid and submitted my application.  Status from the website still says "Processing

Pending Document Check (1)

 

I can imagine that.  I mean somebody has to check some things.  Sadly, the place I was going to rent Diana Estates responded to me saying they are sold out during my intended visit period.  Too bad.  I really liked that location.  I hope the thai evisa people do not actually check that I have a reservation or booking there because I don't.

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On 11/3/2025 at 3:01 PM, BrandonJT said:

Now you wait.  If they want more information you'll receive an e-mail letting you know what they want.  If not, you'll receive the visa anywhere from 3-15 days normally.

 

If you don't have a Thai passport, you have to do a TDAC every time you arrive in Thailand.

Today, NOV 6 I got an email saying they needed my last three bank statements showing the deposits for my Social Security benefits.  Took a bit of fiddling to get three documents attached as I could only seem to attach one. I could not select multiple files and drag and drop them, and once I put one in the site I could not add another, the site seemed to only allow an edit and drag in or select another file which would replace the one that was in there.  I eventually managed to merge the three statements with the SSA transactions underlined and submitted that.  The interesting thing here is, Had I started this application a month earlier, I would NOT have three months of SSA deposits to show since my first SSA deposit was in august.  

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I hope when I do my first request for extension of stay I can still use monthly deposit method?  I am aware that some official Thai documents that may be outdated seem to only give the option of showing deposits for one year or the 800 k on deposit method.  There is a non imm o document here you can download and it does 

 

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/issuing-and-changing-type-of-visa/

 

 

5. 5.1 แสดงสมุดบัญชีเงินฝากและหนังสือรับรองยอดเงินฝากจากธนาคาร
ในประเทศไทย (เป็นภาษาไทย (เรียนผู้บัญชาการสำนักงานตรวจคน
เข้าเมือง))
5.2 สำเนาบัญชีเงินฝากประจำหรือออมทรัพย์ ทุกหน้า โดยมีเงิน
ในบัญชีไม่น้อยกว่า 800,000 บาท (ระบุชื่อผู้ยื่นคำขอแต่เพียงผู้เดียว)
5.3 หลักฐานการโอนเงินสกุลต่างประเทศเข้ามาในประเทศไทย
**(เอกสาร ข้อ 5.1, 5.2 และ 5.3 ต้องระบุชื่อผู้ยื่นคำขอแต่เพียงผู้เดียว
พร้อมกับลงวันที่และปรับสมุดให้เป็นวันเดียวกับวันยื่นคำขอ)
5.1 Present passbook and deposit certificate from banks
in Thailand (in Thai language (Attention:
Immigration Commissioner))
5.2 Copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the
applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account of not less than
Baht 800,000 (all documents must be in the Applicant’s name)
5.3 Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to Thailand
**(Documents under 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 must be issued and updated to
be the same date of the Application and all documents must be in
the Applicant’s name.)
6. หนังสือรับรองจากสถานทูต หรือสถานกงสุลของคนต่างด้าวประจำประเทศ
ไทยหรือต่างประเทศ เพื่อแสดงว่า บุคคลต่างด้าวเป็นผู้มีบำนาญไม่น้อยกว่า
เดือนละ 65,000 บาท (พร้อมแสดงหลักฐานอ้างอิงที่มาของรายได้ดังกล่าว)
A letter of guarantee from the local or overseas Embassy or Consulate
that proving the monthly pension of the Applicant not less than Baht
65,000 per month (together with reference documents showing the
source of monthly pension)
7. หลักฐานเงินฝาก ตามข้อ 5 และหลักฐานเงินได้ ตามข้อ 6 (จำนวน 1 ปี)
ซึ่งรวมกันได้ ไม่น้อยกว่า 800,000 บาท
Evidence of deposited money under Clause 5 and evidence of income
under Clause 6 (for one

 

No immigration office in Thailand will accept monthly deposits for the very first annual extension. It's easy to say that this is because you cannot show that you have 12 months of transfers, but that's not really the reason.  Even if you can show it for 10 years, it still would not be accepted because it's simply not an accepted method for the first 1-year extension.  The only option for that is proof of your Thai bank balance of 800,000 or embassy certified income (which likely is not an option for you).

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Just now, BrandonJT said:

No immigration office in Thailand will accept monthly deposits for the very first annual extension. It's easy to say that this is because you cannot show that you have 12 months of transfers, but that's not really the reason.  Even if you can show it for 10 years, it still would not be accepted because it's simply not an accepted method for the first 1-year extension.  The only option for that is proof of your Thai bank balance of 800,000 or embassy certified income (which likely is not an option for you).

I have heard the opposite but I hope others can comment/  Not to distract from the hope, but if one showed 10 years of deposits, how would that not be acceptable?  That I do not believe would be unacceptable.  It meets the requirements.

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13 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

No immigration office in Thailand will accept monthly deposits for the very first annual extension. It's easy to say that this is because you cannot show that you have 12 months of transfers, but that's not really the reason.  Even if you can show it for 10 years, it still would not be accepted because it's simply not an accepted method for the first 1-year extension.  The only option for that is proof of your Thai bank balance of 800,000 or embassy certified income (which likely is not an option for you).

If true this is a real pain.  I can transfer in the 800K if necessary.  And at the same time I will start transferring in monthly incomes so that by the next yearly extension I will have 12 months of monthly deposits.  I will as quickly as possible without breaking things, then start withdrawing the 800k.  I have a hard time believing that arriving with a Non Imm O and then extending it the first time still requires and only allows the 800k method.  But so be it,

 

I am thinking now to use an agent for the first 800k. Then at the same time start the monthly deposits for the next extension.  I really would prefer not to put some 23,000 USD on deposit there all at once.  I prefer to keep my monies invested in the USA.

 

Thank you for your replies.  I do understand what you wrote.

1 hour ago, gk10012001 said:

I have heard the opposite but I hope others can comment/  Not to distract from the hope, but if one showed 10 years of deposits, how would that not be acceptable?  That I do not believe would be unacceptable.  It meets the requirements.

Because they say the transfers must have occurred while you are already on the type of stay you want to apply for. How are you going to show 12 months of transfers while you were already on non-O/extension when this is your first extension? That's not possible.

4 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

I am thinking now to use an agent for the first 800k. Then at the same time start the monthly deposits for the next extension.  I really would prefer not to put some 23,000 USD on deposit there all at once.  I prefer to keep my monies invested in the USA.

 

That wont work.  You would need to maintain the 800/400/800 balance for the first year at the same time making the 65k monthly deposits.  Only in the 2nd year could you then use only the monthly deposit method.

On 11/4/2025 at 1:50 AM, gk10012001 said:

Man, still can not get the site to move much.  Now, it is stuck at the initial login.  I have tried at various times of the day in case the Thai servers or whatever are sleeping or busy..  I use firfox usually.  maybe will try Edge or Chrome??  I tried Edge and it now seems to be working and I am filling out the online stuff

 

Note: Firefox has morphed into an awful browser with each and every update. Edge is miles better.

 

Good luck with your application.

7 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

If true this is a real pain.  I can transfer in the 800K if necessary.  And at the same time I will start transferring in monthly incomes so that by the next yearly extension I will have 12 months of monthly deposits.  I will as quickly as possible without breaking things, then start withdrawing the 800k.  I have a hard time believing that arriving with a Non Imm O and then extending it the first time still requires and only allows the 800k method.  But so be it,

 

I am thinking now to use an agent for the first 800k. Then at the same time start the monthly deposits for the next extension.  I really would prefer not to put some 23,000 USD on deposit there all at once.  I prefer to keep my monies invested in the USA.

 

Thank you for your replies.  I do understand what you wrote.

once you use an agents to assist with the 800,000, it is hard to DIY, as the requirements for the 800,000, are that you have to have the amount in a bank in your name only, for 2 months prior to the application, and 3 months after getting the extension stamp, then it can drop to 400,000 for the remainder of the year. having the money in your bank for minutes does not conform to the financial requirements

7 hours ago, gk10012001 said:

I am thinking now to use an agent for the first 800k. Then at the same time start the monthly deposits for the next extension.  I really would prefer not to put some 23,000 USD on deposit there all at once.  I prefer to keep my monies invested in the USA.

That won't work!

 

Using the 800K funds method, the 800K must be in a Thai bank account for 2 months on the date of submitting the application, 3 months afterwards, then you can make a withdrawal must keep a remaining balance of 400K for the remainder of the year.

When switching from the 800K funds method to the 12 x 65K monthly overseas transfer method, you need to provide evidence of meeting the conditions of the previous extension (2 +3 + 7) and the 12 x monthly transfers for the next extension. Using an agent, you could not comply with those conditions.

 

If the OP wishes to go the whole hog with retirement here and is happy to jump through the extended funding, banking (including phone registration for banking) and immigration hoops, then lots of practical advice has already been given.

 

Otherwise stick to 60-day visa-exempt + 30 day extension. Free with no banking faff.

 

Add 3 or 4 safe entries at 4500 baht a pop, and the cost of 3 or four short visits to regional cities at around 4500 baht a round/trip, and leave your pensions and hard-earned where it's safer and earning interest. Pull your money from the ATM 2 or 3 times a month for "operating expenses".

 

But bring a wedge of cash ($10k or equivalent) on your first entry for getting set up in a rental and other stuff that needs more significant funding up front.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

If the OP wishes to go the whole hog with retirement here and is happy to jump through the extended funding, banking (including phone registration for banking) and immigration hoops, then lots of practical advice has already been given.

 

Otherwise stick to 60-day visa-exempt + 30 day extension. Free with no banking faff.

 

Add 3 or 4 safe entries at 4500 baht a pop, and the cost of 3 or four short visits to regional cities at around 4500 baht a round/trip, and leave your pensions and hard-earned where it's safer and earning interest. Pull your money from the ATM 2 or 3 times a month for "operating expenses".

 

But bring a wedge of cash ($10k or equivalent) on your first entry for getting set up in a rental and other stuff that needs more significant funding up front.

Someone that is willing to go through all that trouble would be better off just paying an agent every year.
Much cheaper, simpler, and more secure that way.

3 hours ago, BrandonJT said:

Someone that is willing to go through all that trouble would be better off just paying an agent every year.
Much cheaper, simpler, and more secure that way.

 

Horses for courses and not if they are kicking-off their retirement here but don't have a Thai bank account yet. They would need the enabling Non-O visa from overseas for that and, as already covered, would need the seasoned lump-sum for initial application plus monthly income during the first year if they want to switch to that method for subsequent years and get their 800k back.

 

I haven't read of any agents who can get an account opened along with their usual services, assisting the self-funded or 'full-service' for the rest. Maybe there are, and I missed it?

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Horses for courses and not if they are kicking-off their retirement here but don't have a Thai bank account yet. They would need the enabling Non-O visa from overseas for that and, as already covered, would need the seasoned lump-sum for initial application plus monthly income during the first year if they want to switch to that method for subsequent years and get their 800k back.

 

I haven't read of any agents who can get an account opened along with their usual services, assisting the self-funded or 'full-service' for the rest. Maybe there are, and I missed it?

There are plenty of agents that can still open a bank account if applying for the non-O and extension.  I know for a fact that @ThaiVisaCentre still offers that service.

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On 11/6/2025 at 9:31 PM, NanLaew said:

If the OP wishes to go the whole hog with retirement here and is happy to jump through the extended funding, banking (including phone registration for banking) and immigration hoops, then lots of practical advice has already been given.

 

Otherwise stick to 60-day visa-exempt + 30 day extension. Free with no banking faff.

 

Add 3 or 4 safe entries at 4500 baht a pop, and the cost of 3 or four short visits to regional cities at around 4500 baht a round/trip, and leave your pensions and hard-earned where it's safer and earning interest. Pull your money from the ATM 2 or 3 times a month for "operating expenses".

 

But bring a wedge of cash ($10k or equivalent) on your first entry for getting set up in a rental and other stuff that needs more significant funding up front.

I really hate the yearly extension process.  But I may have to go that route.  For now, I did get the Non IMM O visa from the online website.  Took about one week.  I will use that to enter Thailand next month.  Then I will see if I really want to open a bank account so I can prepare for future extensions...Or not.  I always planned to retire or semi retire in Thailand after my first visit in 2004 and subsequent 14 more visits.  Very unhappy how complicated they have made things. All doable and really only takes a day or two each year to run the gamut.  My biggest gripe right now is that Tax thing of being in country over 180 days a year.  Time will tell and other expats can report how that works.  I have no intention or desire to provide a foreign country with my detailed income, and tax information.  

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On 11/7/2025 at 3:42 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Horses for courses and not if they are kicking-off their retirement here but don't have a Thai bank account yet. They would need thye enabling Non-O visa from overseas for that and, as already covered, would need the seasoned lump-sum for initial application plus monthly income during the first year if they want to switch to that method for subsequent years and get their 800k back.

 

I haven't read of any agents who can get an account opened along with their usual services, assisting the self-funded or 'full-service' for the rest. Maybe there are, and I missed it?

Yep I am fully on board now.  I do have my new approved Non Imm O visa.  took only one week online from the USA using online Evisa website.  Me being a Florida resident it apparently was processed by the Washington DC embassy.  I got the visa so if I decide to, I should be able to open a Thai bank account in preparation of being able to do One year extensions, should I decide to do extensions.   Then, by hook or by crook could deposit the 800K needed in order that it gets Seasoned for two months prior to my first extension near the end of the first 90 days.

 

Thank you everybody for the information.  

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On 11/6/2025 at 8:59 PM, Liquorice said:

That won't work!

 

Using the 800K funds method, the 800K must be in a Thai bank account for 2 months on the date of submitting the application, 3 months afterwards, then you can make a withdrawal must keep a remaining balance of 400K for the remainder of the year.

When switching from the 800K funds method to the 12 x 65K monthly overseas transfer method, you need to provide evidence of meeting the conditions of the previous extension (2 +3 + 7) and the 12 x monthly transfers for the next extension. Using an agent, you could not comply with those conditions.

 

Not quite sure I understand.  I get that the first extension requires the 800k.  For my second extension I would want to use the 12x65k method.  Can I do that?  I do not need to withdraw any of the original 800k if that confuses things.

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On 11/6/2025 at 8:28 PM, steve187 said:

once you use an agents to assist with the 800,000, it is hard to DIY, as the requirements for the 800,000, are that you have to have the amount in a bank in your name only, for 2 months prior to the application, and 3 months after getting the extension stamp, then it can drop to 400,000 for the remainder of the year. having the money in your bank for minutes does not conform to the financial requirements

I understand.  I will have a bank account in my name.  I just thought the visa agents might literally act like a loan, deposit the 800k, I pay them their fee, etc..  Money is seasoned.  Stays in the account as long as is needed.  I then start the 12x65k deposits on my own.  And I thought I would withdraw or start withdrawing the 800k at some point.  I imagined I would pay back the agent just like a loan?  I figured maybe 10% charge to them for one years use?  I guess I did not fully understand what the visa agents do initially.  In retrospect it sounds dodgy.

 

Thanks

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