haven't gone back for the last couple of years. Tedious at best. And yes, the crowd sucks big time . Nothing to do with what Pattaya was until about 8 to 10 years ago. my opinion (not alone though..)

23 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

calling out a simple demographic observation as "racist" is the real low blow here — he said 70% Indian, 10–20% Chinese tour groups (bright hats, flags = standard package tours, not slurs). That’s fact, not hate — Pattaya’s own tourism board logs India as #1 source market in 2024 (over 2M visitors, up 40% YoY), with Chinese rebounding via groups.Aussies? Sure, some bogans exist — but they’re <5% of total visitors now (down from 15% pre-COVID). Most are families, retirees, or sports fans — not "yahooing in singlets." Violent incidents? Thai police stats show Indians/Chinese in <1% of arrests vs. Westerners (incl. Aussies) in ~12% — but that’s per behavior, not race.You “prefer Indians”? They’re mostly  polite, big spenders, family-oriented —they smell, from the food they eat!

Pattaya’s economy, bars, and hotels love them. But don’t twist facts into racism just to virtue-signal. Observing tour groups isn’t hate — it’s reality. 

 

Totally agree. This forum has turned into a loony left fest. If they don't agree with your comment they call you racist or far right 

23 hours ago, Mason45 said:

I always thought that a rascist was a person who spent weekends at the race track. By the way there's 2 thing's that annoy me the most. 1. Racial discrimination. 2. Indians in Pattaya.

Off you go then.....

1 hour ago, VBF said:

Quite so. I've avoided WS for some years now, except for 1 or 2 visits in a 2 month trip, or on my way to the Bamboo Bar 😊

Worth noting, WS is not Pattaya in its entirety, never really was but the journalists imply that it is.

The areas you mention and a few others are very different and all within a 10 Baht ride from WS.

     'WS is not Pattaya in its entirety', never really was...'.   So true.   And, that's the main point to remember.  In the last 6 or 7 years there has been a decided shift away from WS and that whole area.  Most of the new, nice development is elsewhere--Jomtien, the Darkside, Cosy, Wong Amat, and, especially, the area around T21.  

26 minutes ago, newnative said:

     'WS is not Pattaya in its entirety', never really was...'.   So true.   And, that's the main point to remember.  In the last 6 or 7 years there has been a decided shift away from WS and that whole area.  Most of the new, nice development is elsewhere--Jomtien, the Darkside, Cosy, Wong Amat, and, especially, the area around T21.  

Interesting.

I know about Jomtien and the Darkside etc but had no idea that there was much around T21.

I shall have to investigate next time - thanks 👍

1 hour ago, Knocker33 said:

Totally agree. This forum has turned into a loony left fest. If they don't agree with your comment they call you racist or far right 

Your comment has nothing to do with anything.  Keep the political bs to the cesspool that is the political soapbox forum.

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

TAT's ambition to bring in huge numbers has back-fired, on the dregs have come, and with it the trouble

Exactly right, as its only the dregs of India and Russia that end up in Pattaya.  Those that have a few more quid in their accounts invariably end up in Phuket, Samui etc.  

18 minutes ago, VBF said:

Interesting.

I know about Jomtien and the Darkside etc but had no idea that there was much around T21.

I shall have to investigate next time - thanks 👍

       T21 really jump-started that whole area.  Quite a lot has and still is being developed.  Centre Point Space, a large highrise family resort, has been built right across the street.  This resort joins the Grand Centre Point Hotel on top of T21.  Both of these projects have been successful and an even larger third Centre Point resort, on a very big tract of land, is going up behind CP Space.

    Across the street from T21, a large area of old retail is now being redeveloped as Again Pattaya, with new shopping and restaurants, including Argentine Steakhouse.  A highrise condo will also be built in this area near the relatively new highrise hotel, Akara.   Best supermarket has relocated to a big, new stand-alone building.  

    Two hotels, Amari and D'Beach, have added big, new wings, with Amari's especially oriented to families.  Two other large hotels, Ozo and Mitt, have also been built.  From Central Festival to T21 on Pattaya Second Road, lots of new retail has gone in and the old hotel in front of Centric Sea has been completely redeveloped.   Another new highrise condo project, by Raimon Land, is also getting started on Pattaya Second Road, I think where that old bowling alley building was.   Lots going on.

4 hours ago, barmatt said:

I avoid walking street now days, over priced compared to what it once was. If you want to avoid the Indian/Chinese crowds try the bars around soi buakua LK Metro area or Treetown.

True.  But with that big ass Honey massage complex being built in the middle of Buakhao, not sure how long those last bastions will remain unfettered.

35 minutes ago, newnative said:

       T21 really jump-started that whole area.  Quite a lot has and still is being developed.  Centre Point Space, a large highrise family resort, has been built right across the street.  This resort joins the Grand Centre Point Hotel on top of T21.  Both of these projects have been successful and an even larger third Centre Point resort, on a very big tract of land, is going up behind CP Space.

    Across the street from T21, a large area of old retail is now being redeveloped as Again Pattaya, with new shopping and restaurants, including Argentine Steakhouse.  A highrise condo will also be built in this area near the relatively new highrise hotel, Akara.   Best supermarket has relocated to a big, new stand-alone building.  

    Two hotels, Amari and D'Beach, have added big, new wings, with Amari's especially oriented to families.  Two other large hotels, Ozo and Mitt, have also been built.  From Central Festival to T21 on Pattaya Second Road, lots of new retail has gone in and the old hotel in front of Centric Sea has been completely redeveloped.   Another new highrise condo project, by Raimon Land, is also getting started on Pattaya Second Road, I think where that old bowling alley building was.   Lots going on.

Cheers - I'll take a look next time 👍

I was in Patong a few years ago and it was unrecognizable with barn like beer bar enclosures with loud music booming out everywhere.  Sounds like Walking St in Pattaya has gone the same way, although I haven't been there for about 10 years.  But I notice a similar trend in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza, although the music hasn't changed much.  Farang tourists who used to be over 90% are now in the minority.  

 

Prices in all of these places were hiked sharply as soon as tourists returned after COVID and there are more sharp practices like stuffing cups with unordered drinks, so you can get a bill for 5,000 or 6,000 without paying a bar fine after only about 20 minutes.  The feel is approaching what Wanchai in HK was already like in the 80s, ie rip off places avoided by local expats.  

 

No point crying over spilt milk.  Once it's gone, it's gone. Better to move on.

13 hours ago, Hellfire said:

The problem is that Westerners now make up only about 15% of all tourists in Thailand. The time when Thai tourism relied mainly on this group is long gone and will never return.

Why it will never return, how come? 

16 hours ago, Xonax said:

Thailand is happily welcoming them all and don't realize that attracting certain demographics, will scare other demographics away.

It's just about the numbers I guess. 

18 hours ago, Xonax said:

Thailand is happily welcoming them all and don't realize that attracting certain demographics, will scare other demographics away.

    That doesn't actually seem to be happening.  For example, in 2019's banner year, UK visitors to Thailand were around 950,000.  This year, UK visitors are on track to reach at least 1 million and possibly more.  USA visitors in 2025 are also likely to return to what they were in 2019's record year.  Ditto for Germany.   

On 10/31/2025 at 6:55 PM, georgegeorgia said:

You been racist long ?

What do you prefer? ...drunken Aussie bogans with singlets yahoooing and looking for a fight ?

Look at them the wrong way and they are spoiling for a fight 

 

I will take the Indians any day over Aussie louts and bogans      

I'll stick with the Aussie louts and bogans, at least I can understand them

I, personally, would love to see the tourist scene here absolute decimated again.

 

Give the place time to heal. It gone too far.

On 10/31/2025 at 12:08 PM, SingAPorn said:

Now more and more tourist falang girls and ladies come to Thailand who are attractive, young and not fussy to get picked up and obviously do not ask for money. So obviously all the younger tourists aged less then 50 are not paying anymore for "entertainement". Thats the main shift.

You gotta be kidding me… take a farang gf? 🙃😂

On 11/2/2025 at 2:50 PM, diveasia666 said:

You gotta be kidding me… take a farang gf? 🙃😂

Many italian, spanish, indian or european girls are hot...and you won't have to pay for the hanky panky 😂

7 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Many italian, spanish, indian or european girls are hot...and you won't have to pay for the hanky panky 😂

 

   I've only ever heard the term hanky panky used in Black and White movies

On 10/31/2025 at 6:45 PM, blaze master said:

 

Also

 

Isn't the term bogan a pejorative?

 

Floor moppers unanimously look down on bogans. Aussie society must have a pecking order. 

 

Looks like Whitey is out of Pattaya and the Pajeets are in. I talked to a few Pajeets when I was defecating in the swimming area and they're not bad guys. 

Thousands of these old sex-pats lost all their savings in the process, so in some form the universe re-balanced itself .

On 11/1/2025 at 8:06 PM, newnative said:

       T21 really jump-started that whole area.  Quite a lot has and still is being developed.  Centre Point Space, a large highrise family resort, has been built right across the street.  This resort joins the Grand Centre Point Hotel on top of T21.  Both of these projects have been successful and an even larger third Centre Point resort, on a very big tract of land, is going up behind CP Space.

    Across the street from T21, a large area of old retail is now being redeveloped as Again Pattaya, with new shopping and restaurants, including Argentine Steakhouse.  A highrise condo will also be built in this area near the relatively new highrise hotel, Akara.   Best supermarket has relocated to a big, new stand-alone building.  

    Two hotels, Amari and D'Beach, have added big, new wings, with Amari's especially oriented to families.  Two other large hotels, Ozo and Mitt, have also been built.  From Central Festival to T21 on Pattaya Second Road, lots of new retail has gone in and the old hotel in front of Centric Sea has been completely redeveloped.   Another new highrise condo project, by Raimon Land, is also getting started on Pattaya Second Road, I think where that old bowling alley building was.   Lots going on.

T21 Indeed. Talk about changing demographics: Outside of the East Asians around that area may as well been in bum f*** Kansas: What visit here for the mall / strip mall experience and McDonalds. Bunch of Saps to avoid being around.