19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I completely agree. I know people who work within the industry — GSK included — and I have no illusions about its integrity. There’s no doubt that profit and corruption exist within the pharmaceutical sector; I don't think anyone would deny that.

 

However, binary thinking simply doesn’t work here. It’s entirely possible for the pharmaceutical industry to be both morally compromised and profoundly effective. In fact, it often outperforms nationalised health systems, which history shows can become bloated and apathetic once detached from competitive incentive - as would does every nationalised body.

 

As I’ve said before, if necessity is the mother of invention, then profit is very much the father. Without it, the pace of medical advancement would slow dramatically. The financial motive, however unsavoury, has been a driving force behind some of the greatest medical breakthroughs in history.

 

That said, this dynamic raises serious ethical questions - and those questions must be asked. Oversight, transparency, and accountability are essential to ensure that progress serves humanity, not just shareholders.

 

Still, none of this means that medicine itself is ineffective or inherently corrupt. The argument isn’t binary. Every treatment, every disease, every outcome is unique. The pharmaceutical world may be far from pure, but it has undeniably generated wonders and saved countless lives. Perhaps, as the saying goes, it’s better the devil we know - provided we keep a close eye on him.

 

 

 

 

 

But without extrapolating to the broader state of the industry, for the purposes of this thread, we can narrow the discussion down specifically to Covid and to the distinction between vaccinated vs. unvaccinated.

 

In the video I posted, the Sky News reporter explains that the process for reporting Covid deaths was a grotesque farce which defied elementary intelligence. A person tested positive for Covid, had a fatal car accident one month later and was listed as a Covid death. If that person was unvaccinated, they were added to the 'unvaccinated having died of Covid' group and ended up in these graphs which have been propagated ad nauseam, including in this thread.

A five-year-old could explain the logical flaw in this process, so yes, I will reiterate my initial claim, no stat and certainly no trope such as 'the majority of people who were hospitalised and dying of Covid were unvaccinated' is valid.

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

It isn't hard to Google anti vaxxers who died of COVID-19. I guess they regret not taking the vaccine.

 

 

The logical fallacies of the pro-vax contingent never cease to amuse me. A guy refuses the vaccine, dies with Covid listed on the death certificate, ergo he would not have died if he had taken the vaccine.

 

Furthermore, those pictures indicate that they were most likely on the highly controversial and thoroughly corrupt Remdesivir+ventilator protocols.

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I'm sorry about your Brother In Law...   and I understand why it would lead to questions. But it’s important to separate coincidence from causation. His heart condition was likely pre-existing, and the timing of the vaccination is far more likely to be coincidental than causal.

 

In the United States alone, around 8,470 people die every day. Statistically, some of those deaths will always occur within days of someone being vaccinated - simply by chance.

 

Unfortunately, human psychology tends to link events that happen close together in time, even when no true connection exists and when people make that connection its more to do with human stubbornness and psychology than science or epidemiology.

 

There’s a kind of false equivalence that creeps in when emotion outweighs evidence. It feels intuitive to assign blame to the most recent event, but science doesn’t work on intuition - it works on data, patterns, and reproducible evidence. And the data are clear: vaccines save lives.

 

 

 

That’s quite a significant claim - and one that collapses under its own weight. It’s impossible for you to know “thousands” of people personally, let alone to speak for the millions across the world who were or weren’t vaccinated and how each of them now feels about it.

 

In making such an absolute statement, you’ve effectively cancelled out your own point. Anecdote isn’t evidence, and sweeping generalisations don’t become true simply because they sound confident.

 

If anything, the only verifiable data we do have point in the opposite direction: vaccination dramatically reduced the risk of serious illness and death. Personal opinions can be debated - the science cannot.

 

 

If you want to deal with facts - don't make up your own: 

 

 

 

 

Show me the single example then. I just showed you an example of someone who was jabbed who regretted it. In this entire thread, NOBODY has presented an actual example of someone who didn't take the jab and is sad about it.

 

I'm not making up anything. I'm pointing out that people are deflecting.

 

NOBODY regrets not taking the jab. NOBODY. The converse it definitively not true. That is a simple fact.

36 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Is it really reasonable to persist in claiming this when there have been Senate hearings – hardly 'conspiracy podcasts from dark corners of the internet' – and serious studies about post-inoculation heart damage? Anyone who is able to see past the veil of 'conspiracy', which McCullough was cloaked in by the industry, and actually look at the data at face value can only conclude that there are serious issues here.

 

 

Yes, it’s entirely reasonable. Those Senate hearings and headline-grabbing testimonies often ignore a crucial medical reality: myocarditis and other cardiac inflammations are far more common after respiratory infections - including Covid-19, influenza, and even the common cold - than they are after vaccination.

 

Multiple peer-reviewed studies have confirmed this. For example, research published in Circulation (2022) and the Journal of the American College of Cardiology found that COVID-19 infection increases the risk of myocarditis several-fold more than vaccination does. (Aldana-Bitar et al., Circulation, 2022)

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

 

A large-scale study from the UK’s Office for National Statistics and the British Heart Foundation similarly concluded that myocarditis was significantly more likely after infection than after mRNA vaccination - particularly among men under 40, who were the group most discussed in these hearings. (Patone et al., Nature Medicine, 2022)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

 

The truth is, you and I have probably both experienced mild, unnoticed myocarditis at some point after a viral infection. Most cases resolve without symptoms or long-term effects. A small percentage of people develop more serious inflammation - and that has always been the case, long before Covid vaccines existed.

 

I do find it rather amusing that no one seemed remotely concerned about myocarditis until anti-vaxxers stumbled upon a fragment of information they didn’t fully understand. For decades, doctors have known that mild myocarditis can follow all sorts of viral infections - flu, adenovirus, even the common cold - and it was never a public obsession.

 

But the moment Covid vaccines arrived, a few half-read studies and sensational headlines suddenly turned thousands of armchair epidemiologists into self-declared cardiology experts. The irony, of course, is that the same crowd that mistrusts medical science is now citing it - just selectively, and usually out of context.

 

Focusing exclusively on post-vaccine myocarditis completely distorts the picture. Statistically, far more people develop heart inflammation after catching Covid-19 than after receiving the jab. Ignoring that context is like blaming seatbelts for bruises while forgetting they save lives in crashes.

 

So... Again... yes, it’s reasonable - because perspective, data, and decades of cardiology research all support it.

 

The responsible conclusion is not that vaccines cause heart damage, but that Covid infection poses the far greater cardiac risk.

 

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The responsible conclusion is not that vaccines cause heart damage, but that Covid infection poses the far greater cardiac risk.

Are these your own words Richard buddy? If they are, then you are completely ill-informed.

 

Covid posed no threat to anyone. What is a covid infection? Seems to me that you are making it up as you go along.

2 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

 

Show me the single example then. I just showed you an example of someone who was jabbed who regretted it. In this entire thread, NOBODY has presented an actual example of someone who didn't take the jab and is sad about it.

 

I'm not making up anything. I'm pointing out that people are deflecting.

 

NOBODY regrets not taking the jab. NOBODY. The converse it definitively not true. That is a simple fact.

 

 

Because its stupid...  You want to ignore all those unvaccinated who died in Leu of a quote from a those who says they "regret not being vaccinated"

 

But the bigger issue (for me) is that it takes time to dig out factual information to contradict claims that anti-vaxxers make up on the spot.... You think you have valid comments, but you are making claims you can't back up.

 

I'll play along... see below - but then - see the more significant response below that (which I'd also posted on page 2) - 5 quotes from people who regret not taking the vaccine.

 

“It took watching my son die… we did not get vaccinated when we had the opportunity and regret that so much now” - Christy Carpenter, mother of Curt Carpenter, age 28, who died of Covid-19.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/covid-vaccine-regrets

 

“I can’t breathe again. I really regret not getting my vaccine. If I can do it all over again I would do it in a heartbeat to save my life” - Christian Cabrera, age 40, shortly before dying of Covid-19.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christian-cabrera-covid-death-vaccine-regret-b2000722.html

 

“I wish everyone would get vaccinated if they can … It’s a decision I regret” - Mike Dean, age 37, after a 35-day hospital stay for Covid-19.

https://samhealth.org/news/albany-dad-regrets-not-getting-vaccinated

 

“He told a doctor he regretted not getting vaccinated while in intensive care” - Jenny McCann on behalf of her twin brother John Eyers, age 42, who died of Covid-19 after refusing vaccination. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-fit-and-healthy-man-42-killed-by-coronavirus-regretted-refusing-vaccine-as-sister-issues-misinformation-warning-12373389

 

“I wish I was not so dismissive about the disease or the vaccine” - Mike Dean again, reflecting his change of view after severe illness. 

https://samhealth.org/news/albany-dad-regrets-not-getting-vaccinated

 

 

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>> A U.S. study estimated that between 30 May 2021 and 3 Sept 2022, about 232,000 deaths among adults (≥18 yrs) could have been prevented if unvaccinated persons had been vaccinated with at least a primary series. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459

 

>> A report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) covering 25 U.S. jurisdictions between 4 April 2021 and 25 Dec 2021 found 94,640 COVID-19-associated deaths among unvaccinated persons, vs 22,567 among fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

>> Another CDC-analysis for the period Oct 3 2021-Dec 24 2022 found that during the late BA.4/BA.5 wave unvaccinated persons had ~14.1 × the mortality rate of persons who had received a bivalent booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

 

These aren’t speculative numbers; they are meticulously gathered, peer-reviewed statistics. They show that vaccines substantially reduce severe outcomes, hospitalisations, and deaths.

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Yes, it’s entirely reasonable. Those Senate hearings and headline-grabbing testimonies often ignore a crucial medical reality: myocarditis and other cardiac inflammations are far more common after respiratory infections - including Covid-19, influenza, and even the common cold - than they are after vaccination.

 

The fact that the issue makes it to the Senate and that specialists of the field testify under oath is evidence that this is not a fringe, unsubstantiated issue. For three years, we had to endure claims that only uneducated idiots, confined to social media and dubious websites led by quack doctors and grifters refuted the purported benefits of the Covid jabs.
Now that the issue has taken this significant qualitative step, a bit of humility from those who made these claims would be appreciated. Failure to show such humility will inevitably show them in a poor light.

 

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The truth is, you and I have probably both experienced mild, unnoticed myocarditis at some point after a viral infection. Most cases resolve without symptoms or long-term effects. A small percentage of people develop more serious inflammation - and that has always been the case, long before Covid vaccines existed.

 

If you look at the data and testimonies, you will see it is not mild but serious (sometimes fatal), not rare but frequent.

 

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The irony, of course, is that the same crowd that mistrusts medical science is now citing it - just selectively, and usually out of context.

 

Citing the doctors who have been discredited and sacked by the 'medical science' system – make of it what you will but it makes sense.

 

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'll play along... see below - but then - see the more significant response below that (which I'd also posted on page 2) - 5 quotes from people who regret not taking the vaccine.

 

“It took watching my son die… we did not get vaccinated when we had the opportunity and regret that so much now” - Christy Carpenter, mother of Curt Carpenter, age 28, who died of Covid-19.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/26/covid-vaccine-regrets

 

“I can’t breathe again. I really regret not getting my vaccine. If I can do it all over again I would do it in a heartbeat to save my life” - Christian Cabrera, age 40, shortly before dying of Covid-19.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christian-cabrera-covid-death-vaccine-regret-b2000722.html

 

“I wish everyone would get vaccinated if they can … It’s a decision I regret” - Mike Dean, age 37, after a 35-day hospital stay for Covid-19.

https://samhealth.org/news/albany-dad-regrets-not-getting-vaccinated

 

“He told a doctor he regretted not getting vaccinated while in intensive care” - Jenny McCann on behalf of her twin brother John Eyers, age 42, who died of Covid-19 after refusing vaccination. 

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-fit-and-healthy-man-42-killed-by-coronavirus-regretted-refusing-vaccine-as-sister-issues-misinformation-warning-12373389

 

“I wish I was not so dismissive about the disease or the vaccine” - Mike Dean again, reflecting his change of view after severe illness. 

https://samhealth.org/news/albany-dad-regrets-not-getting-vaccinated

 

All media-reported stories from 2021 and 2022 (all under the now discredited and highly controversial ventilators).

 

The topic of the thread pertains to whether forum members know unvaccinated people who claim in 2025 that they regret not having taken it back in 2021 and 2022.

17 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

We're not dead, we're alive and I appreciate it wasn't meant to be this way.

With your logic we should never have been born at all, as Spanish flu should have wiped out all humans.

 

Difficult topic for scientifically challenged....

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

What is the vaccination status of people currently hospitalised with Covid?

I have absolutely no idea, (because I don't have a fixation on vaccines/antivaxers/tinhat nutters...)

18 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

You can't because there are none.

 

Anyway, this guy sums up the Covidiocy in a couple of minutes.

 

 

Definitely not that Tall Guy 🙄

4 minutes ago, simon43 said:

I have absolutely no idea

 

Exactly.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Exactly.

But what he’s really saying is

 

“I don’t want to know and am not willing to look into it because it might cause me some amount of cognitive dissonance….but I’m glad I took the jab because had I not, when I got Covid, it would have been so much worse because vaccines prevent you from getting it but they lessen your chance of hospitalization or death”

 

And his reasoning is that he’s not an anti-vaxxer tin hat nut and isn’t fixated on the subject…..but he keeps showing up in these threads to tell us how happy he is with the fact that he got vaccinated.  Go figure.

 

Another satisfied customer…….with lung problems.

12 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Maybe i had something that had no effect on my body whatsoever, maybe i had something that i killing me slowly ??

Who knows?, nobody on this forum that is for sure !!

some say

that some of the jabs were just saline.

5 5

10 minutes ago, Airalee said:

But what he’s really saying is

 

“I don’t want to know and am not willing to look into it because it might cause me some amount of cognitive dissonance….

 

Exactly. You'd think all these rational minds would want to know the proportion of unvaccinated individuals among the people currently hospitalised and dying of Covid, if only to prove us wrong once and for all. I mean it's the ultimate stat, right? It would put the debate to bed once and for all. Yet nobody wants to go there and I can't for the life of me figure out why…

I never took mRNA at that time or anytime after.

 

"Wonder cure for this cancer that cancer" based on the tech advances now ..might well be....let it play out for a fuller picture beyond a frantic release in a pandemic.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

The topic of the thread pertains to whether forum members know unvaccinated people who claim in 2025 that they regret not having taken it back in 2021 and 2022.

 

On that specific point... 

 

No I don't..  Neither do I know anyone (in person) who regrets taking the vaccine - though some on here might (especially in this sub-forum and this thread).

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The responsible conclusion is not that vaccines cause heart damage, but that Covid infection poses the far greater cardiac risk.

Are these your own words Richard buddy? If they are, then you are completely ill-informed.

 

Covid posed no threat to anyone. What is a covid infection? Seems to me that you are making it up as you go along.

 

Wrong...  and the words are from decades of reports from clinicians who have recognised that mild myocarditis can follow a whole range of viral infections - influenza, adenovirus, even the common cold.

I knew this long before Covid, just as I knew that the risk of Thrombotic events rises during viral and respiratory illnesses.

Crucially, those infection-related risks are higher than the already rare vaccine-associated ones. Vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) was not invented by Covid vaccines either; it’s a known, very uncommon immune phenomenon, and it became widely discussed only because the anti-vax echo-chamber turned it into a headline. The bottom line is simple: infection carries a materially greater risk of myocarditis and thrombosis than vaccination, and pretending otherwise swaps evidence for alarmism.

 

 

Here are those links again - So no, those are not my words - and this is why I refuse to debate with you and get dragged down to such levels of idiocy.

 

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

 

 

 

And.. before I ignore the rest of your other posts - here are some other headline grabbing illnesses that anti-vaxxers love to blame on vaccines while ignoring the reality that their natural prevalance by far exceeds vaccine induced incidence. 

 

Here are other risks that anti-vaxxers often blame on vaccines which are, in reality, well-documented complications of flu and especially COVID infection – and typically more common after infection than after vaccination:

 

Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) – classic post-viral complication (influenza, others). Infection raises GBS risk; flu vaccine adds only a tiny absolute risk. 

 

Pericarditis and arrhythmias – not just myocarditis. Large population studies show cardiac events rise after SARS-CoV-2 infection and, in relative terms, exceed post-vaccine risks.

 

Thrombotic events (VTE, arterial clots, stroke) – COVID infection sharply elevates clotting risk; vaccine-linked TTS/VITT is very rare and much rarer than clotting after infection.

 

POTS and dysautonomia – diagnoses increase after both infection and vaccination, but the risk is higher after infection.

 

Bell’s palsy – seen after many viral illnesses. Meta-analyses show higher risk after COVID infection than after vaccination; vaccine association is weak to none.

 

Shingles (VZV reactivation) – reported after COVID infection and sporadically after vaccination; infection is a clearer driver and carries wider post-viral risks. 

 

Adverse pregnancy outcomes – COVID during pregnancy increases stillbirth and other complications; vaccination does not increase miscarriage or birth-defect risk and is recommended. 

 

Long-COVID sequelae across organs – persistent cardiovascular, metabolic, renal and neurological burdens after infection; vaccination lowers these risks. 

 

New-onset diabetes or dysglycaemia – multiple cohorts and meta-analyses show higher incident diabetes after COVID; this has not been shown after vaccination. 

 

Rare neuro-inflammatory syndromes (e.g., ADEM, transverse myelitis) – exceptionally rare signals have been observed post-vaccine, but the absolute rates are tiny and infection also raises similar risks.

 

 

Bottom line: for nearly every headline-grabbing claim, the baseline risk from infection is higher than the residual risk after vaccination. That’s the bit the grifters in forums such as this leave out.

 

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

43 minutes ago, Airalee said:

But what he’s really saying is

 

“I don’t want to know and am not willing to look into it because it might cause me some amount of cognitive dissonance….

 

Exactly. You'd think all these rational minds would want to know the proportion of unvaccinated individuals among the people currently hospitalised and dying of Covid, if only to prove us wrong once and for all. I mean it's the ultimate stat, right? It would put the debate to bed once and for all. Yet nobody wants to go there and I can't for the life of me figure out why…

 

There are stats - but they contradict your sentiment so you refuse to accept them.

 

Stats showing that unvaccinated individuals account for a disproportionately large share of severe outcomes (hospitalisations and deaths) from Covid‑19 - though the exact proportion among currently hospitalised or dying will vary by location, time-period, variant, age-structure, etc...

 

 

A US analysis found that mortality rates among unvaccinated persons were ~14x the rates among bivalent-vaccinated persons during part of the pandemic.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

 

In Arizona, for people 5 years and older, recent data showed unvaccinated individuals had approximately 6.7-8.8x the risk of dying from Covid and 7-8x the risk of being hospitalised compared to those with the updated (bivalent) booster.

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf

 

In a hospital cohort study (one region) the case-fatality rate among unvaccinated hospital-patients was ~17.9% vs ~3.4% among fully vaccinated hospital-patients.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-024-02325-x

 

A meta‐analysis found unvaccinated patients infected with Covid are ~2.46x more likely to die from the infection compared to vaccinated patients.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10492612

 

Numerous studies show hospitalisation rates among the unvaccinated tend to be many times higher than among the vaccinated. For example a UK study found ~12x higher hospitalisation rates in unvaccinated vs vaccinated during Delta/Omicron periods.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9902792

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There are stats - but they contradict your sentiment so you refuse to accept them.

 

Stats showing that unvaccinated individuals account for a disproportionately large share of severe outcomes (hospitalisations and deaths) from Covid‑19 - though the exact proportion among currently hospitalised or dying will vary by location, time-period, variant, age-structure, etc...

 

 

A US analysis found that mortality rates among unvaccinated persons were ~14x the rates among bivalent-vaccinated persons during part of the pandemic.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

 

In Arizona, for people 5 years and older, recent data showed unvaccinated individuals had approximately 6.7-8.8x the risk of dying from Covid and 7-8x the risk of being hospitalised compared to those with the updated (bivalent) booster.

https://www.azdhs.gov/covid19/documents/data/rates-of-cov-19-by-vaccination.pdf

 

In a hospital cohort study (one region) the case-fatality rate among unvaccinated hospital-patients was ~17.9% vs ~3.4% among fully vaccinated hospital-patients.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-024-02325-x

 

A meta‐analysis found unvaccinated patients infected with Covid are ~2.46x more likely to die from the infection compared to vaccinated patients.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10492612

 

Numerous studies show hospitalisation rates among the unvaccinated tend to be many times higher than among the vaccinated. For example a UK study found ~12x higher hospitalisation rates in unvaccinated vs vaccinated during Delta/Omicron periods.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9902792

 

I'm talking about raw stats on the current hospitalisations and deaths, those occurring as we speak.
It is a slightly sarcastic question as I know it is unanswerable, the authorities stopped reporting those raw stats in 2023 (which begs the question as to why, as I said it should be the ultimate data point to shut the unvaxxed up and 'fight disinformation and vaccine hesitancy').

 

I looked at a couple of your sources and though I appreciate the input, this is not what is asked for:

 

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

In a hospital cohort study (one region) the case-fatality rate among unvaccinated hospital-patients was ~17.9% vs ~3.4% among fully vaccinated hospital-patients.

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-024-02325-x

"We reviewed the electronic medical records of hospitalized adult patients with a laboratory-confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19 from December 15, 2020, to October 29, 2022"

 

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A meta‐analysis found unvaccinated patients infected with Covid are ~2.46x more likely to die from the infection compared to vaccinated patients.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10492612

 

"A systematic search was conducted on April 21, 2022, utilizing three databases…"

27 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

I never took mRNA at that time or anytime after.

 

"Wonder cure for this cancer that cancer" based on the tech advances now ..might well be....let it play out for a fuller picture beyond a frantic release in a pandemic.

 

Do you know anybody who didn't take it and regrets it now?

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Do you know anybody who didn't take it and regrets it now?

 

another possible way to look at it is that people who took the mRNA jab are doing everyone else a favor because they are testing out new technology for everyone else.

 

6 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Exactly.

 

 

Never forget that.  Never.

 

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/half-of-dems-believe-fines-prison-time-appropriate-for-questioning-vaccine-poll-says

 

Almost half of Democrats who voted in the poll think state and federal governments should be allowed to either fine or imprison those who publicly question COVID-19 vaccine efficacy.

Forty-eight percent of Democrats taking the poll were in support of the criminal punishment of vaccine critics, whether the criticism appeared on television, radio, or even on social media.

 

 

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

another possible way to look at it is that people who took the mRNA jab are doing everyone else a favor because they are testing out new technology for everyone else.

 

 

I'll let the Nobel Peace Prize say it with his distinctive smugness:

 

 

2 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Never forget that.  Never.

 

https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/half-of-dems-believe-fines-prison-time-appropriate-for-questioning-vaccine-poll-says

 

Almost half of Democrats who voted in the poll think state and federal governments should be allowed to either fine or imprison those who publicly question COVID-19 vaccine efficacy.

Forty-eight percent of Democrats taking the poll were in support of the criminal punishment of vaccine critics, whether the criticism appeared on television, radio, or even on social media.

 

 

 

Yep. They want us to forget, but we won't.

Never took the shots.

4 minutes ago, Base32 said:

Never took the shots.

 

Do you regret not taking them?

Lots of videos out there showing MAGAs on their death beds wishing they'd got the shot...

14 hours ago, jvs said:

Very bad! and you are having severe mental issues as well!

never trust the government