Proud of his own military accomplishments and dismissive of the sacrifices millions made:
 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-veterans-day-speech-victory-day-b2863200.html

Don't see any diss in the entire article.

 

Where is it?

I am confident that if Trump didn’t have those annoying bone spurs then America would have won that Vietnam War. 

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Proud of his own military accomplishments

 

How many presidents can say they ordered the drone execution of civilians in international waters over a thousand miles away from der Vazzerlandt without trial and without attempt to capture?

 

And of those, how many have ordered the aircraft to circle back to finish off the survivors on dead-in-the-water craft?

 

That's one brave cornpop!

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

I am confident that if Trump didn’t have those annoying bone spurs then America would have won that Vietnam War. 

what would have winning the Vietnam war even mean?

Full transcript of a speech of unbelievable and solemn gravitas befitting an occasion intended for quiet reflection of the sacrifice of men and women that came before us. To aid reading, I have highlighted the relevant sections, so you can skip past the electioneering parts, which I suppose must be a traditional feature of all of these (formally named) Veterans Day Arlington Cemetary events.

 

Some take aways and corrections.

 

1. The UK does not mark Remembrance Sunday nor Armistice Day with a knees up and street parties as intimated by the President. Remembrance Sunday is a solemn day, a day for laying wreaths of Poppies. There are, notably, no speeches from anyone, no music. Its very funereal. Armistace Day is usually not on the sunday; the only event, as such, that happens is a national partaking in 2 minutes of silence at 11am GMT , when we would stop what we are doing, stand, bowl head, and take a moment. The closest to a celebratory event would be the Festival of Remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall, where military bands provide an evening of appropriate music for the purposes of raising funds for the British Royal Legion, which exists to provide help and support for ex-servicemen and woman at any time of their lives. There are no speeches by politicians nor Royalty. Its an event purely for the Serviceman or woman, whether in uniform or not.

2. The President might have been confused with the VE 80th Anniversary Events held earlier in the year. These were a one off series of events around the country intendeTo my recollection, we had not to generate Imperial fervour, but to somehow replicate the feeling of relief at the end of a terrible war. There won't be any more events like this, as come the next major anniversary, in 2035, I don't expect there would be any WW2 veterans left, since the youngest would be 108 years old. To my recollection, there has never been a clebration to mark the end of WW1. I think the collective memory of that war was that it was a shameful, unecessary war, that wiped out an entire generation of young men, for very little benefit. WW2 is remembered for entirely different reasons. WW1 essentially ruined the 20th Century, and in 2025, we are still seeing the last motions of that War playing out in Ukraine, as essentially the rump Russian Empire fights against irrelevance. The Russian Federation will not win that war, neither will it survive, and instead, it will collapse, and new confident nations, such as Muscovy Russia, will emerge, as that last old Empire is consigned to history.

3. The President confirmed what he thinks of American soldiers who surrender. To him, captured POWs in Vietnam, Korea, the Bataan Death March survivors, the Malmedy dead, were not heroes. He called them Losers in previous speeches, and this speech indicates its a deeply held belief. As COmmander in Chief, he orders seem to be to American troops is to commit suicide rather than being captured alive.

4. There are some made up words again "Onely"

5. Veterans Day was established by President Woodrow WIlson, who apparently, it turns out, was a raging Lefty Trans nutjob imposing PC terms on the world. To be called a Veteran now, according to the President, is to use a PC term, and he doesn't like PC terms.

6. The President mentioned that he thought that the US won all the wars "in between" the Great War and World War 2. This is the period known as the Interbellum. It was marked by conflict after conflict, mostly as a result of the old Empires collapsing, but also because of competing ideologies that arose from the ruins of the Great War. 

The major conflicts were:

Banana Wars (1898–1934): A series of conflicts against various minor states (barely countries) and the United States in and around the Caribbean sea. The wars ended with the US evacuating from Haiti. However, it would be a fair conclusion that the United States defeated a series of Banana Republics.

Russian Civil War (1917-1922): Along with some other Western Powers, the United States leant military support to the White Russians fighting the Bolsheviks. The White Russians lost, and mostly fled to brothels in Paris and Shanghai. The United States was on the losing side, but cannot take the credit for that outcome

Third Afghan War (1919): A war between British troops, and local levys (mostly local levys( an Fuzzywuzzies (ok, not Fuzzywuzzies, who were SOmalian). Britain won and installed an Afghan King.

Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921): No US involvement, the Soviets kind of won. Ramifications to the present day,

Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). No Americans, Irish Seperatists versus the UK. The Irish won.

Turkish War of Independence (1919–1922): The USN supported the Triple Entente which resulted in the formation of the modern state of Turkey

Irish Civil War (1922-1923) Irish fought the Irish, and both won and lot. No Americans.

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) American troops got somehow involved in this, with troops supporting the Greeks who were fighting the Turks who were supprted by the Americans. Talk about hedging your bets.

Posey War (1923); the last war the US government waged on its own people, Native Americans. The US government declared victory.

Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935-1936): Italy invaded Ethiopia. Il Duce won.

Spanish Civil War (1936-1939): Hemingway was famously part of that, but on the losing side

Second Sino-Japanese War (1937); Japanese won, beheaded lots of people in creasingly barbaric ways.

 

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-veterans-day-arlington-national-cemetery-november-11-2025/
 

Quote

 

Thank you, JD. Thank you very much to our great vice president. That was a good decision I made. This morning on these hallowed grounds where generations of American heroes rest in eternal glory, we gather to fulfill the sacred duty of every free man and woman. On Veterans Day we honor those who have worn the uniform, who have borne the battle, who have stood to watch and whose ranks have formed the mighty wall of flesh and blood, bravery and devotion that has defended our freedom for 250 years.

 

Today to every veteran, we love our veterans, we say the words too often left unsaid, thank you for your service. Thank you very much. And we wanna also say thank you for carrying America's fate on your strong, very broad, proud shoulders. Each of you has earned the respect and the gratitude of our entire nation.

 

We love you, we salute you, and we will never forget what you have done to keep America safe, sovereign, and free. Thank you very much. And we're also honored to be joined by a great man, he will go down as a great man someday, Speaker Mike Johnson. Speaker, wherever you may be, Speaker, uh, we love you Speak- -- there he is, right there.

 

Good. Got a good location. [Laughter] He always gets a good location and congratulations to you and to John and to everybody on a very big victory. We're opening up our country, should have never been closed. Should have never been closed. I wanna thank Secretary Doug Collins, who's outstanding, just done a fantastic job for the veterans.

 

We have a 92% approval rating. We took that up from 38% from a certain previous administration that we won't mention. Also, Secretary of War, we like the sound of that better than the other, Secretary Pete Hegseth. Pete, thank you very much. Thank you, Pete. Great job. Our great Attorney General Pam Bondi.

 

Pam, thank you very much, thank you. Secretary Doug Burgum. Doug, thank you. Thank you very much for being here, Doug. The number one energy person anywhere in the world acknowledge, I was, I was amazed that he took the job but he did it without hesitation, what he gave up, what Doug gave up, what all of 'em gave up, uh, nobody would ever know.

 

But Secretary Chris Wright, number one, anywhere in the world, acknowledging drill, baby drill, Chris, right? Drill, baby drill. The energy prices are way down and they're going further. Secretary Linda McMahon, education. Moving education back to the states, Linda, right? Gotta get back to the states where it belongs.

 

Secretary Lori Chavez-DeRemer. Thank you Lori, very much. Director Russ Vought. Director, thank you. What a good job he's doing, cutting, cutting, cutting. But fairly cutting. Director Tulsi Gabbard. Thank you, Director. Ambassador Jamieson Greer, what a job he's done. We've taken in trillions of dollars in tariffs and we wanna keep it that way. [Laughs] It's been good for our country I can tell you, including national security.

 

General Dan Caine. General, thank you. He's a real general and congratulations on wiping out the nuclear capability of Iran in about, uh, a matter of seconds once they got there. They traveled a total of 37 hours, but once they got there, they were very quick. And also to many other very distinguished guests, we have an amazing group of people, I'd like to name every one of you, but I think a lot of people would be upset.

 

It's a little cold. [Laughter] The pages of American history are filled with the tales of titans, icons, innovators, and trailblazers who built this country into the greatest, most ambitious and most prosperous nation the world has ever seen and we brought it to new levels. I'll tell you, we were going in the wrong direction for a period of time, but we've never been hotter than we are right now.

 

This is the hottest country anywhere in the world. Yet every captain of industry, every pioneer of science, and every star whose brilliance has lit up the lights of Broadway all share one thing in common, they only had the chance to soar because the veterans had the courage to serve. They took care of those people, they took care of all the stars.

 

The stars that you read about wouldn't be here without our veterans. Everything we have, everything our country has achieved has been purchased by the muscle, spine, and steel of the United States Military. We owe it all to the fierce and noble men and women of the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, Space Force, Coast Guard, and the United States Marines. [Audience members call out "Oorah"] [Laughs] Here's a guy. [Laughter] Our service members, our own words, are the greatest possible tribute to their immortal valor.

 

Shortly before the Battle of Bull Run, Major Sullivan Ballou of Rhode Island became a big name, didn't he? Wrote to his dear wife Sarah, he said, "I know how great a debt we owe to those who went before us." He said, "And I'm willing, perfectly willing, darling, to lay down all my joys of this life to help maintain this government and to pay that debt." Onely, O- -- One, just one week later, Major Ballou did just that.

 

He gave his life to save our country on the night before he jumped into the dark skies over Normandy, on D-Day, Colonel Bull Wolverton knelt with his men in prayer. "Dear God," he said, "We ask only this, that we, if we die, we must die. And we as men would die without complaining, without pleading and safe in the feeling that we have done our best for what we believed was right.

 

We must do what is right." Colonel Wolverton, too died for us so bravely in battle. Today, we remember with overwhelming gratitude, the more than 1 million American service members who have made the supreme sacrifice and laid down their lives for the good old USA. Generation after generation, America's warriors have left behind the comforts of home and family to face violence, evil, and death so that our families could know joy, goodness, and peace.

 

We honor them so strongly. Our heroes have lived through unthinkable nightmares so we could live the American dream. And the American dream is coming back again stronger than ever before. And you'll see that as the next few years evolve. They have volunteered to give their last breaths to all of us so that we could breathe free.

 

And today, we know without any doubt in our hearts that after two and a half centuries, America stands tall because America's veterans stood so strong and soon our country will be stronger than ever before. The American veteran has forged a legacy of gallantry and daring without parallel in human history.

 

In September, 2009, Army Captain William Swenson was driving through the Afghan Mountains when his convoy was ambushed by over 60 Taliban insurgents. He and his comrades were pinned down for hours without artillery or air support. A fellow soldier was shot in the chest, and Captain Swenson crossed an open field to aid his brother in arms.

 

People said, "Don't do it, Captain. Don't do it." He did it. When the terrorists closed in around them and demanded their surrender, Captain Swenson threw a grenade at the enemy and rallied his men to break their advance. He then carried the wounded soldiers hundreds of yards to a rescue helicopter before charging back three times, back and forth, back and forth into the fire to save the wounded and bring them home.

 

Even after seven hours of fighting, he refused to leave any man behind. Retired Lieutenant Colonel William Swenson is here with us in Arlington. And for his actions that day, he proudly wears the Congressional Medal of Honor. Colonel Swenson, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Please. Thank you. Thank you very much.

 

The ultimate honor. Thank you. Another person who shows the medal of the American veteran is Dale Stovall. As an Air Force helicopter pilot in Vietnam, Captain Stovall was assigned to rescue a downed American airman deep in hostile territory. Despite the extreme peril, Captain Stovall took off in his HH-53C helicopter and soon came under intense fire, forcing him to turn back.

But, the captain refused to abandon his mission. The next day, he willingly plunged back into the danger while taking fire from all directions. He didn't have a chance, he felt, but he said, "I gotta do it." He rescued the downed American pilot who had been stranded on the ground for 23 days, and brought him back home alive, completing the deepest rescue behind enemy lines in the entire Vietnam War.

For this and 11 other harrowing rescues, he was brave guy. Dale received the famous Air Force Cross and the Distinguished Flying Cross, and two Silver Stars making him the fourth most combat decorated Air Force Academy grad of all times. He retired as a brigadier general after 31 years of service. General Stovall, you are a legend.

Please. Thank you. General Stovall. Thank you very much. Thank you. You look good, General. You look, I wish I looked that good. You look good. Thank you very much, General. America's warriors never quit, never surrender. They fight, fight, fight, and they win, win, win. That's what we do. We win battles.

As you know, today is not only Veterans Day, but it's my proclamation that we are now going to be saying and calling Victory Day for World War I. W- -- Victory Day. I, I was recently at an event and I saw France was celebrating Victory Day, but we didn't. And I saw France was celebrating another Victory day for World War II. And other countries were celebrating.

They were all celebrating. We're the one that won the wars. And I said, "From now on, we're gonna save Victory Day for World War I and World War II." And we could do for plenty of other wars. But we'll start with those two. Maybe someday somebody else will add a couple of more because we won a lot of good ones.

But when I see other countries celebrating Victory Day, I watched it. I watched U.K. I watched Russia. They were selling, celebrating Victory Day, World War II. And I said, "We gotta have a Victory Day." Nobody even talked about it in our country. But from now on, we are gonna be celebrating Victory Day for World War I, for World War II. And frankly, for everything else.

Under the Trump administration, we are restoring the pride and the winning spirit of the United States military. That's why we have officially renamed the Department of Defense back to the original name, Department of War. And remember, we won World War I. We won World War II. We won everything in between.

We won everything that came before. And then we brilliantly decided to change the name of this great, this great thing that we all created together. And we became politically correct. We don't like being politically correct, so we're not gonna be politically correct anymore. From now on, when we fight a war, we only fight for one reason, to win.

We fight to win. Then, under my leadership, we're also fighting for the great veterans who have always, always been there for us and especially when we needed them and needed them most. In nine months, the Trump administration has cut the backlog of VA benefit claims in half. That's a big achievement and Doug is gonna get it down to zero.

 

During the Biden administration, the backlog exploded like we had never seen before. And I'm gonna eliminate 100% of that backlog. We're moving at that pace. And already we've processed more than three million backlog claims, the most of any year in the history of the VA. We've added more than one million extra service hours across the VA centers.

 

And we've opened 20 new facilities in 13 states, something that people said just not possible to do. We also have brought back VA choice and VA accountability taken away by the Biden administration, so that when you have to wait online, you go out and you get yourself a doctor. We pay for the doctor if you have to wait.

 

And the other thing is, we fired thousands of people who didn't take care of our, our great veterans. They were sadists. They were sick people. They were thieves. They were everything you wanna name. And we got rid of over 9,000 of them. And then when Biden came in, he hired them back. Many of them. But we got rid of them and I think we got rid of them permanently.

 

We replace them with people who love our veterans, not people who are sick people. We're also confronting the challenge of veterans homelessness. And earlier this year I signed an order establishing the National Center for Warrior Independence to house up to 6,000 veterans in need. And we will not stop until we have ended the tragedy of homeless veterans once and for all.

 

I'd see in New York where people that came into our country illegally, they came in illegally, would be put up in hotels and veterans would be sitting on the sidewalk outside of that hotel where these other people are put in. And many of the people that came in were put in from prisons. They were murderers.

 

They were drug dealers. They were people that we didn't want in our country. They were staying in hotels, luxury hotels, and our veterans were sitting on the sidewalks watching them go in. I said, "That's never gonna happen under this administration." I also signed the VA Home Loan Program Reform Act because no veterans should be kicked out of their home for what they call a late payment.

 

It's not happening. And I'm pleased to report that, since January, the veterans' unemployment rate has fallen by more than 26%. That's amazing. Work hard on that. And I also want to give a very special thanks to all of the veteran service organizations that work so hard, and they're all represented here today.

 

But they work so hard on behalf of our great veterans and one of the heroes who reminds us of why we fight for those who served in uniform, his army, Major, and West Point grad, Jonathan Turnbull. In 2019, Jonathan was conducting an operation in Syria when a suicide bomber approached and detonated his vest, leaving Jonathan gravely wounded, so, so badly wounded.

 

They thought he had no chance. The injuries were so severe the doctors gave him, well, everybody. They just looked at, they, they all cried. They knew him, they loved him, and they were just crying. They said, "No chance." He was resuscitated three separate times and underwent, he underwent 22 surgeries, but he refused to give up. He wanted to live.

 

He loved his country. He loved his family. He wanted to live. He was going through hell. I visited Jonathan in Walter Reed in 2020. Remember it so well. And today, I'm delighted to say that Jonathan is not only alive, he is here with us back on his feet and living a great life alongside his beautiful wife, Samantha, and their three incredible children.

 

Jonathan, Samantha, please, God bless you. God bless you. Thank you. Where are you? There he is. There he is. Beautiful. Thank you very much. Thank you. Y- -- you're a tough guy. You're a tough one. Nobody could have gone through what you went through. He's doing good, isn't he? Huh? Samantha? Thank you very much, both.

 

And in conclusion, from the very beginning of our country, our great American flag has always been shielded and protected by a special cast of citizen who has stepped forward to safeguard liberty's cause. When danger came, when duty called, when Almighty God asked who had the will and the strength to defend the land of the free, each and every American veteran stood up and said, "Here I am. Send me. Here I am." They've come from every corner of this nation, from the cornfields of Iowa to the hills and valleys of California, from the steel towns of Pennsylvania to the vast plains of Texas, from the banks of the mighty Mississippi to the five boroughs of New York City.

 

With selfless commitment and unyielding conviction, they made themselves America's ramparts and became the shield between our homeland and those who would do us harm with everything they had. They did one thing above all else. They put America first. On the decks of destroyers, beneath the thunder of cannon fire and the cockpits of our beautiful B-2 bombers, aren't they beautiful now?

 

We l- -- respect them so much. What a job they did. That in an instant, completely obliterated Iran's nuclear capability, of which we have just ordered, I have to say, many more of the updated versions of that incredible piece of art. They defended the American republic, dispensed American justice, crushed the enemies of freedom, and vanquished the forces of wickedness and evil.

 

 

That's what we've been doing. 'Cause of what every veteran has done today, the flame of liberty shines bright. The people of our nation sleep safe, the American dream surges forward, and our magnificent destiny stands more splendid and glorious than ever before. So I wanna say thank you once again to every American veteran.

 

You are very, very special people and always in our heart, and thank you very much. And God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. Thank you very much. Thank you everybody. Thank you very much. [Audience cheers] Thank you. Thank you very much.

 

 

 

Life doesn't have to be that difficult for you. Just let go

8 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

what would have winning the Vietnam war even mean?

 

Probably the relection of Nixon. Victory in Vietnam would mean that Watergate, even if discovered, would never had the impact it had on a Presidency, because American Presidents who do well in wars tend to be popular. Ford would have been elected in 1977. Its doubtful whether he would have been relected. So there would have never been a President Reagan, as by the time he would have had a chance in 84, he would have been far too old as a first timer. 84 might have been Dole or George HW Bush, say they had got it, then the end of the 20th Century would have been entirely different. Like him or loathe him, Reagan, with the support of Thatcher, was instrumental in the downfall of the Soviet Union. I don't think any other American Politician could have done that. 

10 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I am confident that if Trump didn’t have those annoying bone spurs then America would have won that Vietnam War. 

Let's not forget out hero Biden, together as a tag team. Like Starsky and Hutch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

10 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

How many presidents can say they ordered the drone execution of civilians in international waters over a thousand miles away from der Vazzerlandt without trial and without attempt to capture?

 

And of those, how many have ordered the aircraft to circle back to finish off the survivors on dead-in-the-water craft?

 

That's one brave cornpop!

 

Obama killed an American citizen by drone strike execution without trial.

51 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Full transcript of a speech of unbelievable and solemn gravitas befitting an occasion intended for quiet reflection of the sacrifice of men and women that came before us. To aid reading, I have highlighted the relevant sections, so you can skip past the electioneering parts, which I suppose must be a traditional feature of all of these (formally named) Veterans Day Arlington Cemetary events.

 

Some take aways and corrections.

 

1. The UK does not mark Remembrance Sunday nor Armistice Day with a knees up and street parties as intimated by the President. Remembrance Sunday is a solemn day, a day for laying wreaths of Poppies. There are, notably, no speeches from anyone, no music. Its very funereal. Armistace Day is usually not on the sunday; the only event, as such, that happens is a national partaking in 2 minutes of silence at 11am GMT , when we would stop what we are doing, stand, bowl head, and take a moment. The closest to a celebratory event would be the Festival of Remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall, where military bands provide an evening of appropriate music for the purposes of raising funds for the British Royal Legion, which exists to provide help and support for ex-servicemen and woman at any time of their lives. There are no speeches by politicians nor Royalty. Its an event purely for the Serviceman or woman, whether in uniform or not.

2. The President might have been confused with the VE 80th Anniversary Events held earlier in the year. These were a one off series of events around the country intendeTo my recollection, we had not to generate Imperial fervour, but to somehow replicate the feeling of relief at the end of a terrible war. There won't be any more events like this, as come the next major anniversary, in 2035, I don't expect there would be any WW2 veterans left, since the youngest would be 108 years old. To my recollection, there has never been a clebration to mark the end of WW1. I think the collective memory of that war was that it was a shameful, unecessary war, that wiped out an entire generation of young men, for very little benefit. WW2 is remembered for entirely different reasons. WW1 essentially ruined the 20th Century, and in 2025, we are still seeing the last motions of that War playing out in Ukraine, as essentially the rump Russian Empire fights against irrelevance. The Russian Federation will not win that war, neither will it survive, and instead, it will collapse, and new confident nations, such as Muscovy Russia, will emerge, as that last old Empire is consigned to history.

3. The President confirmed what he thinks of American soldiers who surrender. To him, captured POWs in Vietnam, Korea, the Bataan Death March survivors, the Malmedy dead, were not heroes. He called them Losers in previous speeches, and this speech indicates its a deeply held belief. As COmmander in Chief, he orders seem to be to American troops is to commit suicide rather than being captured alive.

4. There are some made up words again "Onely"

5. Veterans Day was established by President Woodrow WIlson, who apparently, it turns out, was a raging Lefty Trans nutjob imposing PC terms on the world. To be called a Veteran now, according to the President, is to use a PC term, and he doesn't like PC terms.

6. The President mentioned that he thought that the US won all the wars "in between" the Great War and World War 2. This is the period known as the Interbellum. It was marked by conflict after conflict, mostly as a result of the old Empires collapsing, but also because of competing ideologies that arose from the ruins of the Great War. 

The major conflicts were:

Banana Wars (1898–1934): A series of conflicts against various minor states (barely countries) and the United States in and around the Caribbean sea. The wars ended with the US evacuating from Haiti. However, it would be a fair conclusion that the United States defeated a series of Banana Republics.

Russian Civil War (1917-1922): Along with some other Western Powers, the United States leant military support to the White Russians fighting the Bolsheviks. The White Russians lost, and mostly fled to brothels in Paris and Shanghai. The United States was on the losing side, but cannot take the credit for that outcome

Third Afghan War (1919): A war between British troops, and local levys (mostly local levys( an Fuzzywuzzies (ok, not Fuzzywuzzies, who were SOmalian). Britain won and installed an Afghan King.

Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921): No US involvement, the Soviets kind of won. Ramifications to the present day,

Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). No Americans, Irish Seperatists versus the UK. The Irish won.

Turkish War of Independence (1919–1922): The USN supported the Triple Entente which resulted in the formation of the modern state of Turkey

Irish Civil War (1922-1923) Irish fought the Irish, and both won and lot. No Americans.

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) American troops got somehow involved in this, with troops supporting the Greeks who were fighting the Turks who were supprted by the Americans. Talk about hedging your bets.

Posey War (1923); the last war the US government waged on its own people, Native Americans. The US government declared victory.

Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935-1936): Italy invaded Ethiopia. Il Duce won.

Spanish Civil War (1936-1939): Hemingway was famously part of that, but on the losing side

Second Sino-Japanese War (1937); Japanese won, beheaded lots of people in creasingly barbaric ways.

 

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-veterans-day-arlington-national-cemetery-november-11-2025/
 

 

that was a huge effort. let me be the first to thank you.  has he claimed to stop any wars before he was born?  

1 hour ago, Roadsternut said:

Full transcript of a speech of unbelievable and solemn gravitas befitting an occasion intended for quiet reflection of the sacrifice of men and women that came before us. To aid reading, I have highlighted the relevant sections, so you can skip past the electioneering parts, which I suppose must be a traditional feature of all of these (formally named) Veterans Day Arlington Cemetary events.

 

Some take aways and corrections.

 

1. The UK does not mark Remembrance Sunday nor Armistice Day with a knees up and street parties as intimated by the President. Remembrance Sunday is a solemn day, a day for laying wreaths of Poppies. There are, notably, no speeches from anyone, no music. Its very funereal. Armistace Day is usually not on the sunday; the only event, as such, that happens is a national partaking in 2 minutes of silence at 11am GMT , when we would stop what we are doing, stand, bowl head, and take a moment. The closest to a celebratory event would be the Festival of Remembrance at the Royal Albert Hall, where military bands provide an evening of appropriate music for the purposes of raising funds for the British Royal Legion, which exists to provide help and support for ex-servicemen and woman at any time of their lives. There are no speeches by politicians nor Royalty. Its an event purely for the Serviceman or woman, whether in uniform or not.

2. The President might have been confused with the VE 80th Anniversary Events held earlier in the year. These were a one off series of events around the country intendeTo my recollection, we had not to generate Imperial fervour, but to somehow replicate the feeling of relief at the end of a terrible war. There won't be any more events like this, as come the next major anniversary, in 2035, I don't expect there would be any WW2 veterans left, since the youngest would be 108 years old. To my recollection, there has never been a clebration to mark the end of WW1. I think the collective memory of that war was that it was a shameful, unecessary war, that wiped out an entire generation of young men, for very little benefit. WW2 is remembered for entirely different reasons. WW1 essentially ruined the 20th Century, and in 2025, we are still seeing the last motions of that War playing out in Ukraine, as essentially the rump Russian Empire fights against irrelevance. The Russian Federation will not win that war, neither will it survive, and instead, it will collapse, and new confident nations, such as Muscovy Russia, will emerge, as that last old Empire is consigned to history.

3. The President confirmed what he thinks of American soldiers who surrender. To him, captured POWs in Vietnam, Korea, the Bataan Death March survivors, the Malmedy dead, were not heroes. He called them Losers in previous speeches, and this speech indicates its a deeply held belief. As COmmander in Chief, he orders seem to be to American troops is to commit suicide rather than being captured alive.

4. There are some made up words again "Onely"

5. Veterans Day was established by President Woodrow WIlson, who apparently, it turns out, was a raging Lefty Trans nutjob imposing PC terms on the world. To be called a Veteran now, according to the President, is to use a PC term, and he doesn't like PC terms.

6. The President mentioned that he thought that the US won all the wars "in between" the Great War and World War 2. This is the period known as the Interbellum. It was marked by conflict after conflict, mostly as a result of the old Empires collapsing, but also because of competing ideologies that arose from the ruins of the Great War. 

The major conflicts were:

Banana Wars (1898–1934): A series of conflicts against various minor states (barely countries) and the United States in and around the Caribbean sea. The wars ended with the US evacuating from Haiti. However, it would be a fair conclusion that the United States defeated a series of Banana Republics.

Russian Civil War (1917-1922): Along with some other Western Powers, the United States leant military support to the White Russians fighting the Bolsheviks. The White Russians lost, and mostly fled to brothels in Paris and Shanghai. The United States was on the losing side, but cannot take the credit for that outcome

Third Afghan War (1919): A war between British troops, and local levys (mostly local levys( an Fuzzywuzzies (ok, not Fuzzywuzzies, who were SOmalian). Britain won and installed an Afghan King.

Polish-Soviet War (1919-1921): No US involvement, the Soviets kind of won. Ramifications to the present day,

Irish War of Independence (1919-1921). No Americans, Irish Seperatists versus the UK. The Irish won.

Turkish War of Independence (1919–1922): The USN supported the Triple Entente which resulted in the formation of the modern state of Turkey

Irish Civil War (1922-1923) Irish fought the Irish, and both won and lot. No Americans.

Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) American troops got somehow involved in this, with troops supporting the Greeks who were fighting the Turks who were supprted by the Americans. Talk about hedging your bets.

Posey War (1923); the last war the US government waged on its own people, Native Americans. The US government declared victory.

Italian invasion of Ethiopia (1935-1936): Italy invaded Ethiopia. Il Duce won.

Spanish Civil War (1936-1939): Hemingway was famously part of that, but on the losing side

Second Sino-Japanese War (1937); Japanese won, beheaded lots of people in creasingly barbaric ways.

 

https://rollcall.com/factbase/trump/transcript/donald-trump-remarks-veterans-day-arlington-national-cemetery-november-11-2025/
 

 

postscript: the man who avoided the draft will always be remembered for bad-mouthing soldiers who get captured. 

CBS interviewed Trump was asked about the naval service of then–U.S. senator from Arizona John McCain, ''he was a war hero, five and a half years as a POW, and you call him a dummy. Is that appropriate in running for president?'' Trump replied '' He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured, okay?''

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Don't see any diss in the entire article.

 

Where is it?

 

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Don't see any diss in the entire article.

 

Where is it?

It's not in his speech, my friend. It's his desire to stay ignorant of history. Europe would have fallen to Hitler, except for Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Up to that point, the US was not going to join the war effort in Europe. That is what Chomper is getting at. 

13 minutes ago, paddypower said:

 

It's not in his speech, my friend. It's his desire to stay ignorant of history. Europe would have fallen to Hitler, except for Japan bombing Pearl Harbor. Up to that point, the US was not going to join the war effort in Europe. That is what Chomper is getting at. 

 

Oh I see. That's not true though. The USSR would have defeated the Nazis. As indeed they did in real life. It wasn't the US.

 

Maybe Chomper meant Trump saying it was the US that won the war, which kind of belittles the efforts of Russia. But even as to France there's not real diss in the speech.

48 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh I see. That's not true though. The USSR would have defeated the Nazis. As indeed they did in real life. It wasn't the US.

 

Maybe Chomper meant Trump saying it was the US that won the war, which kind of belittles the efforts of Russia. But even as to France there's not real diss in the speech.

no worries,  he insulted France in another speech yesterday. 

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Obama killed an American citizen by drone strike execution without trial.

 

And he got a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts.

The yanks were warned by U.K. pearl harbour was about to happen but ignored the advice 

Trump IS an insult.

33 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The yanks were warned by U.K. pearl harbour was about to happen but ignored the advice 

Also some suggestions that the U.S. President at the time had been told of the imminent attack but chose to stay quiet precisely because he wanted the country to enter WW2. He'd been advocating for U.S. direct involvement for some time before the Pearl Harbor attack, but his urgings were met with little enthusiasm.

6 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Also some suggestions that the U.S. President at the time had been told of the imminent attack but chose to stay quiet precisely because he wanted the country to enter WW2. He'd been advocating for U.S. direct involvement for some time before the Pearl Harbor attack, but his urgings were met with little enthusiasm.

 

No, not a suggestion, but unfounded conspiracy theories, which really originated in 1944 when John Flynn, co-founder of the American First committee, published a pamphlet claiming Roosevelt deliberately provoked the Japanese into attacking Pearl.

 

A response to the general so-called theories

https://vc.bridgew.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1847&context=br_rev

 

Other suggestions are that Hitler fled to live on the moon and there's a guy who down the chip shop who claim's he's Elvic, but he's a liar.

6 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The yanks were warned by U.K. pearl harbour was about to happen but ignored the advice 

 

This coming from the British who failed to anticipate landings in Malaya.

17 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Oh I see. That's not true though. The USSR would have defeated the Nazis. As indeed they did in real life. It wasn't the US.

 

Maybe Chomper meant Trump saying it was the US that won the war, which kind of belittles the efforts of Russia. But even as to France there's not real diss in the speech.

 

Unlikely if they weren't in receipt of Lend-Lease. The Russians (note) have built a myth about WW2. Lend Lease accounted for:

 

12-16% of the equipment of the Soviet armored troops;

10-15% of USSR's aviation

32.4% of its Navy.

 

70% of Soviet trucks were made in USA. Katyusha rocket mortars (Stalin's Organs) were fitted to 20,000 Studebaker trucks, but only 600 Soviet trucks. 56% of still used for rail tracks came from the West. 43% of tyres, 42% of sugar, all of its preserved meat (Spam, corned beef, meat paste). 90% of rolling stock was Western. Food; the Western allies supplied the Soviets so much food, it would have supplied 10 million soldiers for the entirity of the war. Of course 3000 Allied sailors perished delivering Ford trucks, spam and sugar to the Russians

 

76 countries took part in the largest world conflict in all human history, involving over 1.5 billion people. Battles took place in North Africa. Around 60 million people died; every 5th Ukrainian and 6th Pole lost their lives in the war. We couldn't have won without the Ukrainians, nor the Americans, the British, the French, nor the Poles, nor all the other nationalties on the Allied side. Even the occupied countries did their bit; resistance movements pinned down German troops, they sapped the reserves. German troops had to be diverted to guard rail heads, crossroads, ports. All countries can claim credit, but of course there would have been no credit to claim if it wasn't for Britain holding out just long enough.