I've been using it for several years to buy up-market wines and spirits, spent well over 100K baht there.

 

https://thebottlesbkk.com

 

Using the same PC and browser as always (Firefox on Win11), I can't access it any more. Sometimes it comes up with a simple time-out message, others a PR end-of-file reset (or whatever it is) message that won't go away, while other times I've had a security error saying their certificate has expired.

 

The bit there about the certificate only being valid for illegal.mdes.gov.th looks odd, any idea what that's about?

 

I get the same thing on my Android phone and Samsung tablet trying to access the site in Chrome. 

 

I told the store admin and they say it's a fault at my end. Since it's happening on multiple devices with different OS's and browsers, maybe something has got screwed up with my WiFi, but it seems more likely their IT guy isn't interested in fixing the problem. So can someone please try accessing the above site and let me know how you get on? 

 

The shop told me they have an alternative website

 

https://thebottlesbkk.store/

 

and I can access that OK, but to log in and place an order the login function seems to take me back to the website that I can't access, probably because that's the original one so it was originally set up to work that way.

Grateful for any help and insights. If you can access https://thebottlesbkk.com with no issues then do you have any idea what might be going wrong at my end? Nothing I'm aware of has changed in my setup, and I've been using this site for several years. 

 

I tried it on my phone and it went straight to their login page with no problems and no warning notice.

https://thebottlesbkk.com   is ok for me using ToT

I suspect this is your internet provider  being over zealous with the blocking software  or more likley the AI  being over zealous.

Thy another internet provider  or use a VPN.

Windows 10, no vpn, Chrome browser opened up the login page no problem.

Just for sh*tz and grins, I also tried it on a Firefox and Brave browser, same login page no problem.

No issue here.

 

Laptop with Win 11 MS Edge browser... no VPN.

 

It is Firefox that blocks the page; thus, VPN makes no difference and other browsers are not relevant for the behaviour of Firefox. The certificate seems to be OK here, you can try to force a reload using Ctrl+F5 and if that doesn't help you can try to delete cookies and website data for https://thebottlesbkk.com/. 

Thanks for the quick replies, the problem's clearly at my end. 

7 minutes ago, farang51 said:

It is Firefox that blocks the page; thus, VPN makes no difference

Firefox is blocking the page  but even if you allow the exception I suspect that  the  "illegals page" 

 

will be shown   because the internet provider is blocking the page...a vpn or another internet provider can bypass the block.

 

Try using a neighbours wifi  or data hotspot  from a mobile phone

if a vpn is unavailable.

16 minutes ago, farang51 said:

It is Firefox that blocks the page; thus, VPN makes no difference and other browsers are not relevant for the behaviour of Firefox. The certificate seems to be OK here, you can try to force a reload using Ctrl+F5 and if that doesn't help you can try to delete cookies and website data for https://thebottlesbkk.com/. 

No, I tried Firefox and it worked fine.

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Firefox is blocking the page  but even if you allow the exception I suspect that  the  "illegals page" 

 

will be shown   because the internet provider is blocking the page...a vpn or another internet provider can bypass the block.

 

Try using a neighbours wifi  or data hotspot  from a mobile phone

if a vpn is unavailable.

I'm using Firefox and I can also access it with no problem. However, I thought online booze sales weren't legal. That's not the case?

 

 

Your ISP is considering it as illegal under Thai law and redirecting to the illegal.mdes.go.th page (which loads nothing due to security certificate mismatch issues). 

 

I'm on 3BB and thebottlesbkk.com loads fine.

 

1 minute ago, jaywalker2 said:

I'm using Firefox and I can also access it with no problem.

Its not a Firefox or operating system problem  it is the internet provider problem.

I have zero difficulty accessing the site you reference:  

 

 

 

However, I am unable to log in. I have been refused entry due to my date of birth. I will not be 21 for another two months.

 

Note: As has been accurately stated, this is not an OS problem. I am on Leap 16.0, as usual.

 

My guess is that someone, perhaps your mother, has put in place some safeguards, or software, which disallows you from accessing adult sites, such as those which sell alcohol, and other things intended only for adults.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

I thought online booze sales weren't legal. That's not the case?

Who knows  they flip flop  even more than they change PM's and have coups. 😋

3 minutes ago, johng said:

Its not a Firefox or operating system problem  it is the internet provider problem.

Well, TOT, True, and 3BB (AIS) all work fine according to the above. So what's left?

Who mentioned True  ??  are you using True ?

29 minutes ago, Guderian said:

the problem's clearly at my end. 

Not necessarily, maybe the vendors end. Online sales and delivery of alcoholic beverages are illegal in Thailand. This prohibition stems from an amendment to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act B.E. 2551 (2008) that took effect on December 7, 2020, explicitly banning the sale or provision of alcohol through electronic platforms or channels directly to consumers. 

9 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

Well, TOT, True, and 3BB (AIS) all work fine according to the above. So what's left?

NT? TOT does not exist anymore?

27 minutes ago, johng said:

Firefox is blocking the page  but even if you allow the exception I suspect that  the  "illegals page" 

Ah yes, I didn't check the URL in the message. You are right, the page is blocked. The problem must be an error in the redirecting to the illegals page, which results in a mismatch of the certificate.

41 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

NT? TOT does not exist anymore?

Yes, NT is the former TOT. The other poster said TOT. I assume he meant NT

51 minutes ago, johng said:

Who mentioned True  ??  are you using True ?

Yes

1 hour ago, soi3eddie said:

 

Your ISP is considering it as illegal under Thai law and redirecting to the illegal.mdes.go.th page (which loads nothing due to security certificate mismatch issues). 

 

I'm on 3BB and thebottlesbkk.com loads fine.

 

 

My ISP is TOT (or NT these days), the same as @johng in the second reply, who said it worked fine and he's using TOT too. 

Thanks for the replies and help. I've downloaded Opera and turned on the free VPN and that solves the problem nicely.

 

1 hour ago, Guderian said:

My ISP is TOT (or NT these days), the same as @johng in the second reply, who said it worked fine and he's using TOT too. 

I'm using NT and the site is accessible. Since everyone else can access the site and you cannot one way to try and solve the issue is to clear your browser cache specific to that site, so that it treats it anew and starts again allowing you access like you once had?

Yes I am using ToT  now known as NT  on their lowest cost plan and the site is available to me.

So that leads me to the other thing that they do...carrier grade NAT

which is an extra layer of  addresses that can make you "invisible"

to the outside world..I suspect that they can/do  either intentionally or inadvertently apply different censorship rules to the  normal publicly available IP address compared to the  CGNAT addresses....

(its my theory but not peer reviewed and published in reputable journals  😋 )

you can see if you have a CGNAT address by comparing the  WAN ip address reported by your router  with the IP address reported by a site  like  https://whatismyipaddress.com/

if they are different then you have a CGNAT address.

They give me a CGNAT address  sometimes but not always  and lately they have not been renewing my IP address every 24 hours either stuck with the same (non CGNAT) IP for more than a week...

so well who knows ?????   

 

 

17 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

I'm using NT and the site is accessible. Since everyone else can access the site and you cannot one way to try and solve the issue is to clear your browser cache specific to that site, so that it treats it anew and starts again allowing you access like you once had?

 

That was one of the first things I tried and it didn't help. 

15 hours ago, johng said:

Yes I am using ToT  now known as NT  on their lowest cost plan and the site is available to me.

So that leads me to the other thing that they do...carrier grade NAT

which is an extra layer of  addresses that can make you "invisible"

to the outside world..I suspect that they can/do  either intentionally or inadvertently apply different censorship rules to the  normal publicly available IP address compared to the  CGNAT addresses....

(its my theory but not peer reviewed and published in reputable journals  😋 )

you can see if you have a CGNAT address by comparing the  WAN ip address reported by your router  with the IP address reported by a site  like  https://whatismyipaddress.com/

if they are different then you have a CGNAT address.

They give me a CGNAT address  sometimes but not always  and lately they have not been renewing my IP address every 24 hours either stuck with the same (non CGNAT) IP for more than a week...

so well who knows ?????   

 

 

 

That's all above my internet pay grade, lol.

Anyway, I gave it a try and the ipaddress website reported a v4 IP address of 1.20.abc.xyz (no idea if these things are sensitive, so I've hidden the last six digits), while using the Windows command prompt tells me that it's actually 192.168.def.uvw. So it does look like NT has gifted me a CGNAT address, though I have no idea what that means in practice. 

16 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Windows command prompt tells me that it's actually 192.168.def.uvw.

 

192.168.x.x  is your local private ip address range  it should not be routable over the internet and there is no need to obfuscate it.

 

To see if you are on CGNAT

you need to go to your router   web page probably 192.168.1.1 check

what the WAN address is and then compare that address to the one reported by an online  ip checker...if the 2 are not identical then you are on CGNAT..or some variant of it.

 

 WAN IP is worth obscuring as it could be your real IP that is reachable for everyone on the internet..obscuring just the numbers after the last . will give an attacker 254  chances of guessing your real IP  so is not  too bad 😋

21 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Not necessarily, maybe the vendors end. Online sales and delivery of alcoholic beverages are illegal in Thailand. This prohibition stems from an amendment to the Alcoholic Beverage Control Act B.E. 2551 (2008) that took effect on December 7, 2020, explicitly banning the sale or provision of alcohol through electronic platforms or channels directly to consumers. 

Indeed something points to this direction.

I clicked the sign up button and the form requires me to specify company name and upload company documents.

@Guderian

do you have a "business account"?

6 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

do you have a "business account"?

 

Nope and I've been with TOT for 16 years now.