15 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Because it could only happen once? After that, God closed the door on that possibly happening again?

on an average, an asteroid of that size is going to smash into earth once every 100 million years, but we have the technology now to stop those events,

and we also have the technology to prevent co2 famine events, both of which makes humans the saviors and heroes of the planet

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Z5FdwWw_c

 

9 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

read the graphs of all studies, it has been a never ending slope into colder ever since KT event

I decided to ask AI this question:

Are there any peer-reviewed studies that show global mean temperatures have been consistently getting cooler since the KT event?

Guess what the answer was?

This is from Gemini

66 Ma (Million Years Ago): The K-T extinction occurs.

66 Ma – 50 Ma (The Warming Phase): Temperatures generally rose, culminating in a "Hothouse" state.

~50 Ma (The Turning Point): Temperatures peaked.

It cited Zachos 2001/2008 and Westerhold et al. (2020).

 

So for about 16 million years temperatures rose after the KT event.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

on an average, an asteroid of that size is going to smash into earth once every 100 million years, but we have the technology now to stop those events,

and we also have the technology to prevent co2 famine events, both of which makes humans the saviors and heroes of the planet

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Z5FdwWw_c

 

This makes no sense. Asteroid crashes aren't the only reason that plant life could decline. Very high temperatures could be another. And according to the research I cited were.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

This makes no sense. Asteroid crashes aren't the only reason that plant life could decline. Very high temperatures could be another. And according to the research I cited were.

yes, co2 famine is also guaranteed to cause decline and death of plants,

150 ppm co2 or less, and complex life goes extinct.

 

equator where its the warmest is also the place with the highest biomass,

-add another 1000 ppm co2 and it will thrive even more

1 minute ago, mordothailand said:

yes, co2 famine is also guaranteed to cause decline and death of plants,

150 ppm co2 or less, and complex life goes extinct.

 

equator where its the warmest is also the place with the highest biomass,

-add another 1000 ppm co2 and it will thrive even more

Your assertion contradicts the research I cited. One big problem with your assertion is that while it takes account of the fertilizing effect of CO2 it takes no account of its warming effect. Conditions in a greenhouse are not comparable to conditions in the atmosphere.

 

As for the high levels of biomass at the equator. First, that's only true for terrestrial life. Second, most of that biomass is locked up in vegetation. Soil in temperate climes is much deeper and better suited to mass agriculture. And of course, as the tropics get hotter and hotter, they will be less suited for human life and will lead to mass extinctions for creatures and vegetation that can't adapt.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Conditions in a greenhouse are not comparable to conditions in the atmosphere.

they are for the most part comparable, but plants in nature will benefit 

even much more due to increased water efficiency and drought resistance,

stemming from how stomata works,

i.e they have to open up for shorter amount of time to absorb co2 in sufficient quantities, and in so doing reduce water loss

5 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

they are for the most part comparable, but plants in nature will benefit 

even much more due to increased water efficiency and drought resistance,

stemming from how stomata works,

i.e they have to open up for shorter amount of time to absorb co2 in sufficient quantities, and in so doing reduce water loss

Not comparable and while water efficiency and drought resistance may increase, that only works up to a point. As the research article I cited noted. And, of course, plants differ in their resistance to environmental changes.

1 hour ago, Schoggibueb said:

 

Graphics and lead scientist: Ed Hawkins, National Centre for Atmospheric Science, UoR.

Data: Berkeley Earth & ERA5-Land, NOAA, UK Met Office, MeteoSwiss, DWD, SMHI, UoR & ZAMG

 

ed.hawkins(at)ncas.ac.uk

 

What equipment do they use to measure the data?

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Not comparable and while water efficiency and drought resistance may increase

in what way is co2 level in atmosphere and inside a greenhouse not comparable beside water efficiency and drought resistance ?

and do you feel uncertainty about water efficiency and drought resistance  correlating to co2 level ?

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

What equipment do they use to measure the data?

 

What equipment did you use as you wrote:

"I think it's getting colder!"

 

BritManToo Science equipment? 

😂

4 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What do you mean by how CO2 works? How it absorbs infrared rays and the re-emits them? Why would that be different in what you call an open atmosphere vs a closed one provided both are exposed to radiant infrared rays?

And I'm a bit puzzled by your use of the word atmosphere. Here's a few definitions:

Scientific meaning

• Gas layer: A mass of gases surrounding an astronomical object, held in place by gravity.
• Earth's atmosphere: The layer of gases (air) surrounding Earth, which provides oxygen, shields from UV radiation, and regulates temperature. It has distinct layers: the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, and exosphere. 

You just googled it lol

44 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

 

What equipment did you use as you wrote:

"I think it's getting colder!"

 

BritManToo Science equipment? 

😂

Manual stations have a 1 degree margin of error

Elites make you to believe if you pay more taxes climate won't change. Then give up your freedoms of lifestyle

It won't work. What humans have been doing since prehistoric times, adaptation.

Stop worrying. No war No fighting. Have a nice week!

7 hours ago, Schoggibueb said:

 

What equipment did you use as you wrote:

"I think it's getting colder!"

 

BritManToo Science equipment? 

😂

Yep, these guys all use NASA as the source for all their data.

8 hours ago, mordothailand said:

in what way is co2 level in atmosphere and inside a greenhouse not comparable beside water efficiency and drought resistance ?

and do you feel uncertainty about water efficiency and drought resistance  correlating to co2 level ?

https://www.igb.illinois.edu/article/not-just-co2-rising-temps-also-alter-photosynthesis-changing-climate

 

Also other consequences of elevated CO2

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10725-025-01382-8

 

 

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Chinese lover too? The burn coal to make those solar panels.

 

My agenda is there is no climate Armageddon. How bout you?

I have no agenda unlike you, I follow scientific facts. Facts are there is climate change occurring and it can continue down the path it is going and man made indicators is we are not helping to slow it or improve it but the opposite. It may be primarily a nature cycle, but we have made a significant contribution and will continue to have a negative influence on the environment 

 

I never said there that Armageddon is here but we are very close to the tipping point on not being able to have a positive impact especially with the spastic actions trump has made in rolling back safeguards on environment..

 

I don't follow your  Chinese narrative nor try to phrase comments in a way to imply someone is conducting themselves in the manner you try to box them into.

 

You are pathetic and that's your fall back response, throw out a statement implying the person said or did something they didn't to try to shift and defect from your ignorance and stupidity, Your time of relevance has come and gone so you may want to sit out the conversation and try to educate yourself to current information and facts. 

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I have no agenda unlike you, I follow scientific facts. Facts are there is climate change occurring and it can continue down the path it is going and man made indicators is we are not helping to slow it or improve it but the opposite. It may be primarily a nature cycle, but we have made a significant contribution and will continue to have a negative influence on the environment 

 

I never said there that Armageddon is here but we are very close to the tipping point on not being able to have a positive impact especially with the spastic actions trump has made in rolling back safeguards on environment..

 

I don't follow your  Chinese narrative nor try to phrase comments in a way to imply someone is conducting themselves in the manner you try to box them into.

 

You are pathetic and that's your fall back response, throw out a statement implying the person said or did something they didn't to try to shift and defect from your ignorance and stupidity, Your time of relevance has come and gone so you may want to sit out the conversation and try to educate yourself to current information and facts. 

So you do  believe in the climate armageddon. You believe in a "tipping point" and of course, Trump makes it worse.

 

Pathetic I may be, but brainwashed I am not. 

11 hours ago, mordothailand said:

both of which makes humans the saviors and heroes of the planet

 

He says with a straight face, while humanity is destroying the planet.

Flame post removed

 

6 hours ago, Dan O said:

we are very close to the tipping point

ah yes, the tipping point 🙂

can you elaborate on said tipping point ? what is tipping, how is it a tip ?, and so on...

5 hours ago, stevenl said:

He says with a straight face, while humanity is destroying the planet.

no, we already extended conditions for complex life on earth by 60 million years by recycling co2 back into the atmosphere where it belong

 

 

On 12/1/2025 at 12:06 PM, connda said:

billionaires who trade carbon credits.

How does trading carbon credits help anything? It is just paying to pollute.

1 hour ago, mordothailand said:

ah yes, the tipping point 🙂

can you elaborate on said tipping point ? what is tipping, how is it a tip ?, and so on...

The tipping point is the point where the temperature and climate degrades naturally and with continued negate impact to its position where mans ability to influence the environment has no positive benefit.

 

Google is your friend.  Make yourself  knowledgeable on the situation and then come back and ask. 

2 hours ago, Dan O said:

The tipping point is the point where the temperature and climate degrades naturally and with continued negate impact to its position where mans ability to influence the environment has no positive benefit.

 

Google is your friend.  Make yourself  knowledgeable on the situation and then come back and ask. 

im already knowledgeable on the situation, but your elaboration didnt explain anything, can you re-formulate what you were trying to say ?

1 hour ago, mordothailand said:

im already knowledgeable on the situation, but your elaboration didnt explain anything, can you re-formulate what you were trying to say ?

Thanks for informing us you're knowledgeable, looking forward to posts showing that. Because so far you haven't made them.

7 hours ago, Acme said:

 

Someone else who doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate

7 hours ago, mordothailand said:

no, we already extended conditions for complex life on earth by 60 million years by recycling co2 back into the atmosphere where it belong

 

 

You mean that before the industrial revolution complex life was in danger of dying out? How many years were left before that happened?

And Patrick Moore is not a scientist. Basically, he's a paid consultant to certain industries. Among other things he denies that CO2 is lowering the PH of the oceans. Which is just plain nuts. CO2 + H2O yields H2CO3 which is carbonic acid.

 

14 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Someone else who doesn't understand the difference between weather and climate

Trump said global warming is a hoax because it was snowing in D.C.

Anderson Cooper of CNN said "Someone should explain to him the difference between weather and climate.  NASA has a website for children".  

19 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You mean that before the industrial revolution complex life was in danger of dying out? How many years were left before that happened?

And Patrick Moore is not a scientist. Basically, he's a paid consultant to certain industries. Among other things he denies that CO2 is lowering the PH of the oceans. Which is just plain nuts. CO2 + H2O yields H2CO3 which is carbonic acid.

 

yes, an extrapolation of data show co2 would have dropped to 150 ppm during an interglacial period within 2 million years, thus ending complex life.

and it wouldnt have been the first time, last time around it was a fungi that saved the world, by recycling dead trees 

 

https://holoceneclimate.com/temperature-versus-co2-the-big-picture.html

 

Patrick Moore is a scientist, and corals use co2 to build their reefs,

salt water tank operators has found that the equivalent to 1000 ppm co2 is optimal for coral reef growth