5 minutes ago, Fact said:

Yes, it does sound familiar to me.

violent suppression of dissent

I'm not seeing suppression of dissent. Please cite an example.

Lying

Name a Democrat who does not engage in lying. The Russian collusion hoax? Tax cuts for billionaire BS.

bigotry, racism

Are you referring to the FDR administration that rounded up US citizens based on race and put them into concentration camps?

authoritarianism

DACA, illegally forgiving student loans? The killing of US citizens not charged with a crime with drones?

Singling out of minorities they claim are exploiting systems, for demonization

There is a lot of fraud in MN from a certain group.

Yep fascism is left wing. Right wing is freedom.

The Southern Democrats founded the KKK. A socialist founded fascism. Stalin killed many millions. Mass evil always come from the left. They are experts at mass murder.

1 minute ago, Fact said:

Yes, it does sound familiar to me.

violent suppression of dissent

I'm not seeing suppression of dissent. Please cite an example.

Lying

Name a Democrat who does not engage in lying. The Russian collusion hoax? Tax cuts for billionaire BS.

bigotry, racism

Are you referring to the FDR administration that rounded up US citizens based on race and put them into concentration camps?

authoritarianism

DACA, illegally forgiving student loans? The killing of US citizens not charged with a crime with drones?

Singling out of minorities they claim are exploiting systems, for demonization

There is a lot of fraud in MN from a certain group.

Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. He wants to run Gaza, Venezuala, and Greenland. So-called drug boats sunk in international waters.

You don't call shooting of American citizens by ICE agents violent suppression of dissent?

You call inviting Nick Fuentes to a Mar-a-Lago dinner a good look?

Or perhaps you forgot Paul Ingrassia, Trump's appointment as Special Counsel.

Or perhaps you forgot Trump calling fallen soldiers suckers and losers.

You are about as interested in fact as I am interested in your opinion. P!ss off.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. He wants to run Gaza, Venezuala, and Greenland. So-called drug boats sunk in international waters.

You don't call shooting of American citizens by ICE agents violent suppression of dissent?

You call inviting Nick Fuentes to a Mar-a-Lago dinner a good look?

Or perhaps you forgot Paul Ingrassia, Trump's appointment as Special Counsel.

Or perhaps you forgot Trump calling fallen soldiers suckers and losers.

You are about as interested in fact as I am interested in your opinion. P!ss off.

Trump used to be a Democrat. Bad people always come from the left.

Stalin studied Marx extensively, beginning in his youth at the Tiflis Theological Seminary, where he became deeply influenced by Karl Marx’s Das Kapital and other works of Marx and Engels. He actively engaged with Marxist theory by conducting study circles, attending illegal workers’ meetings, and writing revolutionary leaflets. His theoretical interests were broad, encompassing philosophy, political economy, history, and natural science. By the time he wrote Marxism and the National Question in 1913, Stalin had already established himself as a serious Marxist theorist, defining a nation as a “historically constituted, stable community of people” based on shared language, territory, economic life, and culture. He later codified and expanded Marxist theory into Marxism–Leninism, which became the official ideology of the Soviet Union under his leadership.

Marxism did not directly grow into fascism, but certain revolutionary socialist ideas—particularly those from revolutionary syndicalism—influenced the ideological development of classical fascism.

Georges Sorel, a French revolutionary syndicalist and revisionist Marxist, played a pivotal role in shaping early fascist thought. He transformed Marxist class struggle into a mythic, heroic struggle, emphasizing direct action, the general strike, and anti-parliamentarianism. While Sorel himself never became a fascist, his ideas inspired movements that fused anti-capitalism with nationalism, laying intellectual groundwork for fascism.

Mussolini, who began as a socialist, drew from Sorelian syndicalism and nationalist currents like French integral nationalism (e.g., Charles Maurras). This fusion created a new ideology: class collaboration under a nationalist state, rejecting both liberal democracy and Marxist internationalism. The result was classical fascism, a reactionary upheaval that replaced proletarian solidarity with national palingenesis (rebirth), state corporatism, and militarism.

Evil started from Marxism. Lefties on wiki wont admit that.

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump lies every time he opens his mouth. He wants to run Gaza, Venezuala, and Greenland. So-called drug boats sunk in international waters.

You don't call shooting of American citizens by ICE agents violent suppression of dissent?

You call inviting Nick Fuentes to a Mar-a-Lago dinner a good look?

Or perhaps you forgot Paul Ingrassia, Trump's appointment as Special Counsel.

Or perhaps you forgot Trump calling fallen soldiers suckers and losers.

You are about as interested in fact as I am interested in your opinion. P!ss off.

You are letting emotions override logical thinking.

1) Politicians always lie. This is nothing new.

2) What's wrong with running Gaza?

3) Do you have an issue with removing Maduro? The people of Venezuela were not offended.

4) What does having Nick Fuentes have to do with this topic? You are now reaching.

5) What about Paul Ingrassia?

6) No authoritative, independently verifiable recording or transcript exists of Trump saying those exact words.

10 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You are about as interested in fact as I am interested in your opinion. P!ss off.

I see this as a clear indication of your surrender.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Nah, they are not innocent.

They are causing chaos in the streets.

The fascism argument is bs.

Funded by organizations seeking to overthrow America and destroy capitalism

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Mussolini was a radical socialist early in his career. He became a fascist in 1919, after being kicked out by the socialist party for his pro-war stance.

As usual, your post exhibits the vapid sloppiness for which you have acquired an unsavory reputation.

Absolutely correct. Mussolini was a socialist before. Hopes, that Donald will turn "socialist" are nil. Nevermind, the US electorate has voted him into office twice.

24 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yep fascism is left wing. Right wing is freedom.

So said Adolf Hitler. (I usually agree with your view of the world). But this statement of yours is an exception-

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You don't call shooting of American citizens by ICE agents violent suppression of dissent?

There is no suppression of dissent. Protests are occurring across the country. It seems there are some individuals on the left who have pathetic lives and like attacking hotels and burning police cars.

4 minutes ago, swissie said:

Absolutely correct. Mussolini was a socialist before. Hopes, that Donald will turn "socialist" are nil. Nevermind, the US electorate has voted him into office twice.

So said Adolf Hitler. (I usually agree with your view of the world). But this statement of yours is an exception-

Hitler was a socialist and a greeny.

Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime implemented environmental policies that included conservation, nature preservation, and pollution control—measures that some historians describe as "green" in practice. The 1935 Reich Nature Protection Law was one of the most comprehensive environmental laws of its time, aimed at protecting forests, wildlife, and natural landscapes. The Nazis promoted sustainable forestry, organic farming (led by Minister Walter Darre), and even planned large-scale renewable energy projects, such as massive wind turbines, in the early 1930s

the end, Nazism left no room for private property. If the state has the power, ability, and inclination to confiscate the means of production whenever their wishes are not conformed to there is no real private ownership anymore. A common anecdote within the cowering business class remarked that:

“Under National Socialism you are allowed to keep the cows; but the State takes all the milk, and you have the expense and labor of feeding them.”[xxxv]

This nominalization was even outlined by Nazi economist Othmar Spann who desired a state where private ownership existed only in a, “formal sense, while in fact there will be only public ownership.”[xxxvi]

https://wallbuilders.com/wp-content/uploads/Goose-Stepping-Nazis-300x226.jpgThe effects of the National Socialist system of central planning, government control, and arbitrary powers destroyed whatever vestiges of private financial vivacity remained, with the purposes of making it all the easier for the State to consolidate its grip on every aspect of production. Quality of goods rapidly fell while prices remained steady, and out of what little raw materials which were available most was rapaciously consumed by the military. Thus, as early as, “1936 almost complete control over production could be exerted

Obviously left wing. Just research past left wing sites that rewite history.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Hitler was a socialist and a greeny.

Absolutely correct. All sailing under the "Volksgemeinschaft". Everybody not willing to join the "Volksgemeinschaft" ended up in a concentration camp. The 2 of us would probably have ended up in a concentration camp if the 2 of us would have lived during this time.

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1 hour ago, swissie said:

Sooner or later we all will have to go back to the root of the problem. The current fascist "office holder" was elected into office twice.

A revolutionary idea: Does the American eletorate want a fascist in office? Appearantly YES.

No revolutionary at all.

It's very evident that a significant portion of Trump's base WANTS his facissm.

He said I alone can fix it.

They thought -- YES DADDY, we're reading to follow you over a cliff.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No revolutionary at all.

It's very evident that a significant portion of Trump's base WANTS his facissm.

He said I alone can fix it.

They thought -- YES DADDY, we're reading to follow you over a cliff.

Narcism not fascism. Trump is like Malcolm Turnbull but more decisive.

Trump’s Deregulation Efforts: Key Actions and Initiatives

The Trump administration, particularly during its second term beginning in January 2025, has pursued an aggressive deregulatory agenda through executive orders, rule rescissions, and structural changes to federal agencies. Key initiatives include:

• 10-to-1 Deregulation Mandate: On January 31, 2025, President Trump signed an executive order requiring federal agencies to repeal at least 10 existing regulations for every new one issued, aiming to reduce regulatory burdens and promote economic growth.

This is opposite to fascism

Just like Putin's Z fascist Russia:

Just now, Jingthing said:

Just like Putin's Z fascist Russia:

Nothing like it.

22 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Trump’s Deregulation Efforts: Key Actions and Initiatives

The Trump administration, particularly during its second term beginning in January 2025, has pursued an aggressive deregulatory agenda through executive orders, rule rescissions, and structural changes to federal agencies. Key initiatives include:

• 10-to-1 Deregulation Mandate: On January 31, 2025, President Trump signed an executive order requiring federal agencies to repeal at least 10 existing regulations for every new one issued, aiming to reduce regulatory burdens and promote economic growth.

This is opposite to fascism

Oh dear. You're going to get a link for this comment.

Trump was never a Marxist nor a capitalist hater.

Fascists were former Marxists in several prominent cases, most notably Benito Mussolini, who was a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party before founding the fascist movement. Historical evidence shows that early fascist ideology was influenced by certain Marxist and syndicalist thinkers, particularly Georges Sorel, whose ideas on revolutionary action and myth inspired Mussolini and other fascists.

Marxist roots of fascism are evident in its early anti-capitalist stance and emphasis on state-led economic organization. Figures like Mussolini and some fascist theoreticians drew from revolutionary syndicalism—a Marxist offshoot—before merging these ideas with extreme nationalism. This fusion rejected class struggle in favor of class collaboration under a powerful, centralized state.

7 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Nothing like it.

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Just now, Jingthing said:

We'll have to agree to disagree then.

Up to you. I prefer facts.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Up to you. I prefer facts.

I don't see any evidence of that whatsoever from you.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I don't see any evidence of that whatsoever from you.

I just defined fascism and Trump isn't one. You can have your own opinions but you can't invent your own facts.

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I just defined fascism and Trump isn't one. You can have your own opinions but you can't invent your own facts.

Garbage.

I have well documented how Trump is a fascist.

You have a belief system. That's all.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Garbage.

I have well documented how Trump is a fascist.

You have a belief system. That's all.

I quoted historical facts. You are making up your own theories. You should work for The Guardian cause they make up stuff all the time.

Economists post ww2 described fascism as left wing. The modern left has tried to rewrite history and tell lies. Just like climate change. Shameful really.

Trump is capitalist not a former marxist. He can not by definition be a fascist.

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

I quoted historical facts. You are making up your own theories. You should work for The Guardian cause they make up stuff all the time.

Economists post ww2 described fascism as left wing. The modern left has tried to rewrite history and tell lies. Just like climate change. Shameful really.

Trump is capitalist not a former marxist. He can not by definition be a fascist.

You're wrong.

Goodbye