Here we go again. Russia is on it's knees and Ukraine will win the war yet Germany prepares for Russian attack. I can't see how it can be both. Either Russia has been severely weakened or it hasn't. The answer is the latter. Russia has been increasing it's military stocks. 

19 minutes ago, TedG said:

What are you talking about.  The only country attacking anyone in Europe is Russia. 

look at the news reports coming from the countries I mentioned 

they all talk about war with Russia  being prepared for war with Russia  ramping up war machine production to compete with Russia,

(paper tiger gas station) conscripting  citizens for war with Russia...they want war with Russia  they are hell bent on war with Russia   because it is perhaps the only thing that saves their own skins from the imploding economic collapse of their own countries ?  

1 hour ago, johng said:

look at the news reports coming from the countries I mentioned 

they all talk about war with Russia  being prepared for war with Russia  ramping up war machine production to compete with Russia,

(paper tiger gas station) conscripting  citizens for war with Russia...they want war with Russia  they are hell bent on war with Russia   because it is perhaps the only thing that saves their own skins from the imploding economic collapse of their own countries ?  

Lame Russian propaganda. The aggressor (Russia) is certainly not the agressed country! 🤣

It won't come to Nukes raining down from Russia. Europe has Nukes to and his first strike will be the last for Russia. Russia is comitting war crimes by attacking and killing civilians as laid down by the Geneva Convention. Don't forget russian missiles are flattening hospitals, maternity hospitals and theatres in the Ukraine, are these in the front lines fighting Russian infantry.

18 hours ago, mordothailand said:

the baltic states had a good reason to join NATO asap, they are next in line

The EU's push for the Baltic States to join NATO is the reason the continent is in the mess it is in today

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19 hours ago, johng said:

Putin said just the other day that

whilst not wanting war with Europe he is fully prepared for it.

Seems that certain Euro leaders are hell bent on war with Russia no matter what...Germany, France,UK being the most vocal..all trying to restore military conscription..France saying that the citizens should be willing to sacrifice their children in war against Russia...quite insane but that's the mind set.

 

Right. Everyone knows that Putin is a man of peace. He says so, so it must be true. In the same way that it's true that France, Germany and the UK have all invaded countries recently. They are the ones hell bent on war.

 

Oh, hold on a minute ........

39 minutes ago, HK MacPhooey said:

The EU's push for the Baltic States to join NATO is the reason the continent is in the mess it is in today

3 Baltic states are already in NATO. Nato is not pushing for other Baltic States for membership. Following Russia invasion of UKraine, Baltic countries have become more vocal in their request for Nato present. The mess that you refer is from Russia invasion. 

45 minutes ago, HK MacPhooey said:

The EU's push for the Baltic States to join NATO is the reason the continent is in the mess it is in today

 

The Baltic States joined NATO in 2004, so if Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a reaction to that event, it's been a long time coming!

 

After decades of neutrality, both Finland and Sweden decided to join NATO in 2024. Care to hazard a guess why? I'd say that Russia's invasion of Ukraine might have something to do with it.

German military are preparing for the Russian strikes by 2029 

 

I don't think that Vlad will have  enough power and money /supplies  in a couple more years fighting with Ukraine to pick a fight with Nato or anyone if All the countries put sanctions on Russia.

 

20 hours ago, johng said:

Yes it is amazing..instead of saying lets all get on with each other trade innovate and make things better for everyone  they insist on war which makes things bad for most everyone except  those few war mongers invested in the MIC.

You obviously don't know Russia. Are you an American? We have lived and felt Russian aggression in Europe for decades. We know their agenda, have done for decades, I'm baffled that you don't. Open your eyes, Europe knows which threat Russia is. 

17 hours ago, johng said:

look at the news reports coming from the countries I mentioned 

they all talk about war with Russia  being prepared for war with Russia  ramping up war machine production to compete with Russia,

(paper tiger gas station) conscripting  citizens for war with Russia...they want war with Russia  they are hell bent on war with Russia   because it is perhaps the only thing that saves their own skins from the imploding economic collapse of their own countries ?  

Europe is ramping up their defense to AVOID war with Russia, to stop their aggression. We are preparing to defend ourselves when the day comes, because we can't trust the US to come to our rescue anymore.

We absolutely think there are no limits to Russian imperialism.

We in Europe have no intentions of adding Russian language into our schools.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.

What Putin said: 
"We are not going to fight Europe. I've said this a hundred times." "But if Europe wants a war and starts one, we are ready right now."

What NATO generals, European leaders, and Western main-stream media insist that Putin actually said:
"Russia is going to invade Europe before 2030."

6 minutes ago, connda said:

What Putin said: 
"We are not going to fight Europe. I've said this a hundred times." "But if Europe wants a war and starts one, we are ready right now."

What NATO generals, European leaders, and Western main-stream media insist that Putin actually said:
"Russia is going to invade Europe before 2030."

Because Russia do not do anything but lie. They always have their own agenda. They never keep promises, and any deal with them is not worth the paper it's written on.

 

A war with Russia will only happen if Russia starts it, if they invade a member of NATO. NATO has no interest in crossing Russian borders, why would they? NATO is an alliance of defence.

 

Putin is talking out of his arse.

21 hours ago, Purdey said:

I don't see that warning Russia you are preparing for war is going to calm Russia at all.

It is supposed to avoid war, by showing strength. Not calming them. 

 

Russia only understands strength and power. if you show weaknesses, they will be all over you. Like they are doing with USA at the moment, ignoring them.

54 minutes ago, connda said:

What Putin said: 
"We are not going to fight Europe. I've said this a hundred times." "But if Europe wants a war and starts one, we are ready right now."

What NATO generals, European leaders, and Western main-stream media insist that Putin actually said:
"Russia is going to invade Europe before 2030."

 

Yes, let's take what Putin says at face value. Commenting about military drills on Ukraine's border in January 2022, Putin said: 

 

"These drills are purely defensive and are not a threat to any other country".

On 12/3/2025 at 2:57 PM, spidermike007 said:

Sounds like a wise move, there's no question that there are few limits on Putin's ambitions, and they likely include the conquest of Europe. 

It's been 4 years and they've barely got 20% of Ukraine, two nations in Europe have nuclear weapons. 2029 will see a new administration in the USA, probably the democrats so once the dunce the US has now is history the dynamics will have changed. I don't think the Russian military will be all too keen to attack Nato, with or without America, they are already losing young men at an alarming rate, the demographics are against them.

On 12/3/2025 at 9:02 PM, 0ffshore360 said:

IMHO the core motivation behind the "call to arms" rhetoric has less to do with the speculative risk of aggression from Putin than to do with the stagnant economies of Europe  and the US.

There are many factors to the advantage of these collective allies in responding to assumed threats created to provoke Putin initially.

Now that the NATO nations have emptied their dusty cold war era military hardware into a proxy war decimating the population of Ukraine, under the rule of a US installed puppet who has cut enough strings so as to ad lib much of the script in the final scenes, serious attention by the increasingly unwilling factions of the willing has turned to resurrection the industrial base which lulled and deteriorated in the inconvenient ere of relative global peace.

Associated objections by the militarily focused strategists over "green energy " "usurping " the dominance of so called fossil energy resources while never revealing the practicality of the objections . That being wind, solar, nuclear energy is static  while petroleum product to fuel a war machine is transportable. Cost has no relevance in the theatre of war for transfixed Generals.

Under the pretext of defense requiring dominance of gnorance by the masses dictated by propaganda is an imperative to enhance the fortunes of the bone spur brigade.

A war machine mandates no objections to deceitful objectives.

How many examples has the  world already witnessed ?

And yet there are some who still grunt Hoorah !

 

 

Wow. Great word salad. Kamala would be impressed.

On 12/4/2025 at 6:32 PM, soalbundy said:

It's been 4 years and they've barely got 20% of Ukraine, two nations in Europe have nuclear weapons. 2029 will see a new administration in the USA, probably the democrats so once the dunce the US has now is history the dynamics will have changed. I don't think the Russian military will be all too keen to attack Nato, with or without America, they are already losing young men at an alarming rate, the demographics are against them.

So have China 

 China and Russia have an agreement.

China is very patient and everything they do is with strategic intent.

China will encourage Iran behind the scenes to destabilize the middle east, encourage Europe, Ukraine and Russia to bicker, try and split the US military forces, and, when they judge the time is right, take Taiwan.

They are the true masters of the useful idiots, not Stalin.

Fortunately it seems President Trump is taking advice from more reasoned advisers

 

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

Wow. Great word salad. Kamala would be impressed.

Enjoy your fantasy land.

1 minute ago, 0ffshore360 said:

Enjoy your fantasy land.

Enjoy WW3

3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Fortunately it seems President Trump is taking advice from more reasoned advisers

Which advisors would that be? The US is slowly pulling out of their alliance with Europe and NATO, and is at risk of standing alone when they need help next time around. 

Some great advisors those are.

14 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Which advisors would that be? The US is slowly pulling out of their alliance with Europe and NATO, and is at risk of standing alone when they need help next time around. 

Some great advisors those are.

The advisors telling him to withdraw.

14 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

The advisors telling him to withdraw.

Can you be more specific? Withdraw from the peace talks, and let the war run its own course? Withdraw from supporting Europe/Ukraine entirely? Or withdraw from NATO?

On 12/3/2025 at 2:43 PM, johng said:

Putin said just the other day that

whilst not wanting war with Europe he is fully prepared for it.

Seems that certain Euro leaders are hell bent on war with Russia no matter what...Germany, France,UK being the most vocal..all trying to restore military conscription..France saying that the citizens should be willing to sacrifice their children in war against Russia...quite insane but that's the mind set.

Next you'll claim Ukraine invaded Russia...

On 12/3/2025 at 6:48 AM, TedG said:

I think Europe should launch an air campain against Russian position in Ukraine.   

 

Not yet ready. Germany is focused on defense first. It is starting to deploy the Israeli sourced Arrow anti missile defence. It needs additional air defences to hold back a Russian air attack.

It also has to  deal with an internal fifth column risk. Russia has been supporting radical groups in Germany for some time, seeking to disrupt civil order. They have an organized disinformation campaign that seeks to incite Islamic militants, and incite extremist right and left wing groups in a concerted effort to get Germans to fight each other and deploy resources on keeping civil order.

Russia has always been expansionist and has been trying to attack and annex the Baltic nations. The 1919 liberation of Estonia saw the heroic people of Estonia with volunteers from Sweden, Finland and Denmark hold off and push back the invading barbarians of Soviet Russia. The British Royal Navy, although not decisive were an important presence and delivered much needed military supplies to  Estonia, much as NATO has done now with Ukraine. The Russians are relentless in their thirst to take what is not theirs to take.

6 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Can you be more specific? Withdraw from the peace talks, and let the war run its own course? Withdraw from supporting Europe/Ukraine entirely? Or withdraw from NATO?

Yes

14 hours ago, emptypockets said:

The advisors telling him to withdraw.

That would be Russia and now China since they have the US over a barrel with rare earths, the clowns in this administration really didn't see that coming, terminating the export of 3 rare and difficult to process minerals will shutdown whatever industrial production the US has left.......the art of the deal 

Russia has been at war with the west for more than 10 years. Before that, the Chechen war, the Georgian war. and the Syrian civil war. No NATO country has attacked Russia. The Ukraine war started in 2014, first with Crimea, then a Russian backed civil war in the Donbas. And of course, full blown war against Ukraine for the last three and a half years. 

 

Russia has been trying to destabilise Europe for the last 10 years, with fake news, disinformation and paying many individuals to disseminate their propaganda, especially on social media.  They encouraged illegal migrants to enter Europe to destabilise it (although the Ukraine war has seen many borders closed against Russia, so that no longer works) , while backing anti-immigrant right wing politicians. Also hacking the west to cause disruption and  also recruiting individuals to carry out arson attacks and bombings. But Europe has done nothings except sanctions. Europe has run down their military forces and is only now starting to expand their defence capabilities.

 

Russia's track record of crushing all opposition and dissent violently, plus threats to retake parts of eastern Europe, even threatening nuclear war, should alarm everyone. Appeasement didn't work 90 years ago and will not now.

 

All those who support Russia should go and live there.