The far left hypocrisy!  I don't recall the left calling for war crime violations , impeachments, resignations. when other POTUS have used Drone's to kill in the name of terror.

Google ai Overview: *

"During the Obama presidency, independent estimates suggest that approximately 2,500 to over 4,000 people were killed by U.S. drone strikes outside of active war zones, with the number of civilian casualties being a point of significant contention".

https://www.cfr.org/blog/obamas-final-drone-strike-data 

* to verify just copy & paste the results in google.

 

 

Google ai overview:

"As of early December 2025, over 87 people have been killed across more than 22 U.S. military strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean Sea and Eastern Pacific Ocean, which the Trump administration has characterized as operations against "narco-terrorists"

https://www.npr.org/2025/12/03/nx-s1-5630324/did-the-trump-administration-commit-a-war-crime-in-its-attack-on-a-venezuelan-boat

 

The Story is based on Google Ai Overview, CFR &NPR reports

 

 

 

8 hours ago, riclag said:

I don't recall the left calling for war crime violations , impeachments, resignations. when other POTUS have used Drone's to kill in the name of terror.

Recall maybe this -- AI Gemini:

 

Arguments that Attacks May Be War Crimes

Human rights groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, along with several legal scholars and UN special rapporteurs, argued that specific aspects of the Obama administration's drone program likely violated international humanitarian law (IHL). 

Key points of criticism included:
Civilian Casualties and Lack of Distinction: Critics argue the U.S. failed to adequately distinguish between combatants and civilians. One report found that in some cases, up to 90% of those killed may have been unintended targets, with unknown victims often classified as "enemies killed in action".

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Maybe new acronym WWA =  Well What About

 

 

Boring - keep examining the actions of past Presidents in your attempt to distract, but I will pay attention to the daily horrors coming from the incumbent idiot !

 

Whatever happened in the past, let's concentrate on the unfolding nonsense we see daily from King Trump . . . .

3 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Whatever happened in the past, let's concentrate on the unfolding nonsense we see daily from King Trump . . . .

You mean no WWA's?

Jerry ??

18 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Boring - keep examining the actions of past Presidents in your attempt to distract, but I will pay attention to the daily horrors coming from the incumbent idiot !

 

Whatever happened in the past, let's concentrate on the unfolding nonsense we see daily from King Trump . . . .

Worth noting that during the wasted Biden term 90% of threads in the world news forum were unhinged hatefests about Trump, yet now apparently it is not cool to dwell on the past? Really😅

 

Very important to stick to your standards. People that cared less about Obama drone striking American families in Syria can't honesty freak out about Trump exterminating bigtime drug smugglers bringing their muck to kill and ruin Americans lives. 

14 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Jerry ??

WWA Well where were you when the Tea Pot Dome scandal hit? Bet you said nothing

 

As far as freaking out over the current issue, I let the Reublicans do the freaking.

Sorry Jerry. What is WWA ? That's all I asked.

 

31 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Boring - keep examining the actions of past Presidents in your attempt to distract, but I will pay attention to the daily horrors coming from the incumbent idiot !

 

Whatever happened in the past, let's concentrate on the unfolding nonsense we see daily from King Trump . . . .

Wrong. What the OP is demonstrating is the inconsistency and selectivity of the argument. War crimes are not confined to the present and precedence is set in the past or is the setting of a new precedent.

17 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Sorry Jerry. What is WWA ? That's all I asked.

 

Well What About

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And I recall this via AI Gemini:

 

Claims that the killing of Osama bin Laden was a fraud or hoax are baseless conspiracy theories that have been widely debunked by U.S. officials, former Navy SEALs involved in the operation, and intelligence experts. 

Key Facts and Debunking the Claims
Official Confirmation: The U.S. government, under President Barack Obama, confirmed bin Laden was killed in a special operations raid on May 2, 2011, in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

 

DNA Evidence: Multiple DNA samples from bin Laden's relatives were used to confirm his identity "beyond a shadow of a doubt".

 

Intelligence and Planning: The operation was the culmination of a decade-long hunt, guided by intelligence that located his fortified compound. A CIA-organized fake vaccination program was even used in an attempt to obtain DNA from his family beforehand to aid identification.

 

In summary, despite persistent conspiracy theories and online misinformation, there is substantial evidence and consensus among U.S. government and intelligence officials that Osama bin Laden was killed by U.S. forces in 2011. 

 

 

Well one man methodically  and quietly kills 4000 terrorists while another

kils   90  innocent people who pose no harm whatsoever to the 

US and shouts and shouts. 

4 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Well one man methodically  and quietly kills 4000 terrorists while another

kils   90  innocent people who pose no harm whatsoever to the 

US and shouts and shouts. 

Can you clarify that. Did you actually mean to say these industrial scale cartel drug smugglers "pose no harm whatsoever to the US"? I think we both know that is 100% factually incorrect (im being v polite😅).

Should we try again but base the post in reality?

FACT FOCUS: There’s no proof each strike on alleged drug boats saves 25,000 lives, as Trump claims -- November 19, 2025

 

TRUMP: “Every boat we knock out, we save 25,000 American lives.”

 

THE FACTS: The numbers to support Trump’s claim don’t add up, and sometimes don’t exist. For example, people in the U.S. who die from drug overdoses each year are far fewer than the amount Trump suggests have been saved by the boat strikes his administration has carried out since September.

 

According to the latest preliminary data from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, there were about 97,000 drug overdose deaths in the U.S. during the 12-month period that ended June 30. That’s down 14% from the estimated 113,000 for the previous 12-month period.

 

Trump has justified the attacks by saying the U.S. is in “armed conflict” with drug cartels and claiming the boats are operated by foreign terror organizations that are flooding America’s cities with drugs. Neither Trump nor his administration have publicly confirmed the amount of drugs allegedly destroyed in the strikes.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-boat-strikes-drugs-25000-lives-c6e4c750b0dc6f15d397d598c9bd169f

Strange that Russia, China and north Korea are all "enemies" but America never attacks them.

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Strange that Russia, China and north Korea are all "enemies" but America never attacks them.

The majority of drug related deaths in USA comes from fentanyl.

 

The majority of fentanyl comes from China via Mexico.

 

Bomb China  and Mexico.

2 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Boring - keep examining the actions of past Presidents in your attempt to distract, but I will pay attention to the daily horrors coming from the incumbent idiot !

 

Whatever happened in the past, let's concentrate on the unfolding nonsense we see daily from King Trump . . . .

 

So you don't get the hypocrisy that every president since Truman has done it, but it's only called out as a war crime when the Bad Orange Man does it?  Your syndrome is showing.

 

 

 

Anyone wanting to go down the rabbit hole should look up Hugo Carvajal, Cartel of the Suns and Smartmatic.

 

Here's a start, from the Dallas Express.  Pull out a few of the key words for further searches, and that rabbit hole goes pretty deep...

 

The DX Brief

Former Venezuelan intelligence chief Hugo Carvajal — once a top Chávez and Maduro insider — pleaded guilty in U.S. federal court in June and now warns that Venezuela is a “narco-terrorist organization” intentionally targeting the United States.

 

Carvajal alleges the Maduro regime weaponized cocaine, collaborated with FARC, ELN, Cuban intelligence, and Hezbollah, and exported violent criminal networks — including Tren de Aragua — into the United States.

 

He asserts Venezuelan and Cuban intelligence infiltrated U.S. institutions for two decades, including military installations.

 

He claims Smartmatic was developed inside Venezuela as an election-manipulation tool later deployed abroad.

 

Carvajal says he supports Trump’s Venezuela policies and stands ready to provide further details to federal authorities.

 

I'm not claiming the guy's a good guy or even truthful.  But where there's smoke, you'll generally find fire.  It'll be interesting to see what evidence he brings to the table.  If what he says is true, Venezuela's been at war with the USA for years, and our feckless leaders were either clueless or complicit.

 

https://dallasexpress.com/

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

He claims Smartmatic was developed inside Venezuela as an election-manipulation tool later deployed abroad.

AI via Gemini

 

Smartmatic was co-founded by Venezuelan engineers and gained early prominence with a contract from the Venezuelan government in 2004, leading to persistent, but disputed, allegations of ties to the Chávez and Maduro regimes and the manipulation of elections. The claim that it was specifically developed as a manipulation tool is a conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked in U.S. courts. 

Key Details
Origins: Smartmatic was incorporated in Delaware in 2000 by three Venezuelan engineers: Antonio Mugica, Alfredo José Anzola, and Roger Piñate. Its initial headquarters were in Boca Raton, Florida, and it was originally intended as a cybersecurity company for banks.

Venezuelan Contracts: The company gained prominence when it was awarded a major contract to modernize Venezuela's election system ahead of the 2004 presidential recall referendum. A Venezuelan government agency provided initial funding to a smaller affiliated company, Bizta, which led to scrutiny and accusations of government influence.

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

AI via Gemini

 

Smartmatic was co-founded by Venezuelan engineers and gained early prominence with a contract from the Venezuelan government in 2004, leading to persistent, but disputed, allegations of ties to the Chávez and Maduro regimes and the manipulation of elections. The claim that it was specifically developed as a manipulation tool is a conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked in U.S. courts. 

Key Details
Origins: Smartmatic was incorporated in Delaware in 2000 by three Venezuelan engineers: Antonio Mugica, Alfredo José Anzola, and Roger Piñate. Its initial headquarters were in Boca Raton, Florida, and it was originally intended as a cybersecurity company for banks.

Venezuelan Contracts: The company gained prominence when it was awarded a major contract to modernize Venezuela's election system ahead of the 2004 presidential recall referendum. A Venezuelan government agency provided initial funding to a smaller affiliated company, Bizta, which led to scrutiny and accusations of government influence.

You are aware some MAGAs bought dominion/smartmatic? I noted already the narrative did a huge 180 and like we all knew all along, no computer is totally infallible and uncorruptable as we were FORCED to accept since the day of my avatar.

Cant wait to see the reactions on election day when Magas have statistically impossible massive vote tally leaps to thrash the democrats. It will be so funny🤣

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You are aware some MAGAs bought dominion/smartmatic?

No.

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

No.

Thought not

 

https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2025/10/dominion-voting-systems-sale-liberty-vote-election-security-elections/

 

If i find the quote of leading democrats since claiming the tabulators cant be trusted I will link also. So predictable!

Obama had legal grounds for drone strikes (2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF)). Not that I like or agree with it.

 

trump hasn't shared his legal thinking here. No clue why Congress doesn't just pass an Authorization for the current "war/crisis" with Venezuela?

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Thought not

Yes. As you have said elsewhere, I do not know things any 4-year old would be expected to know.

27 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The claim that it was specifically developed as a manipulation tool is a conspiracy theory that has been widely debunked in U.S. courts. 

 

That's a perfect example of AI slop and slanted AI training.  That's never been debunked.  Just squelched.  Most of the court cases were dismissed based on standing, not on evidence.

 

22 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You are aware some MAGAs bought dominion/smartmatic? I noted already the narrative did a huge 180 and like we all knew all along, no computer is totally infallible and uncorruptable as we were FORCED to accept since the day of my avatar.

Cant wait to see the reactions on election day when Magas have statistically impossible massive vote tally leaps to thrash the democrats. It will be so funny

 

You know it's coming...  How many Dems claimed that Trump stole 2024?

 

20 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's a perfect example of AI slop and slanted AI training.  That's never been debunked.  Just squelched.  Most of the court cases were dismissed based on standing, not on evidence.

 

Well ok 'debunk' can mean a lot of things. Again:

 

The claims that Smartmatic's technology was specifically developed as a manipulation tool to rig the 2020 U.S. presidential election for Joe Biden were indeed part of baseless conspiracy theories and have been widely debunked in the courts and by independent fact-checkers.

 

Limited Role: Smartmatic's voting technology was used in only one jurisdiction in the 2020 U.S. election: Los Angeles County, California. The equipment provided there were ballot-marking devices and did not count, tabulate, or store the votes. This limited presence makes the claim of orchestrating a nationwide vote-switching scheme implausible.

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well ok 'debunk' van mean a lot of things. Again:

 

The claims that Smartmatic's technology was specifically developed as a manipulation tool to rig the 2020 U.S. presidential election for Joe Biden were indeed part of baseless conspiracy theories and have been widely debunked in the courts and by independent fact-checkers.

 

Limited Role: Smartmatic's voting technology was used in only one jurisdiction in the 2020 U.S. election: Los Angeles County, California. The equipment provided there were ballot-marking devices and did not count, tabulate, or store the votes. This limited presence makes the claim of orchestrating a nationwide vote-switching scheme implausible.

 

Snippet of Hugo Carvajal Barrios' (the former Director of Military Intelligence for Venezuela) letter to Trump:

 

Smartmatic and Your Elections

Smartmatic was born as an electoral tool of the Venezuelan regime but soon derived into a tool to help keep the regime stay in power forever. I know this because I placed the head of IT of the National Electoral Council (CNE) in his position, and he reported directly to me. The Smartmatic system can be altered—this is a fact. This technology was later exported abroad, including to the United States. Regime operatives maintain relationships with election officials and voting-machine companies inside your country. I do not claim that every election is stolen, but I state with certainty that elections can be rigged with the software – and has been used to do so.

 

Of course, I'm sure the guy's fishing for a pardon, so it will be interesting to see what comes of it.  

 

And let's not forget Dominion, Haldeman, BIC pens and Georgia courtrooms...  Another conspiracy theory proving to be a spoiler alert.

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You know it's coming...  How many Dems claimed that Trump stole 2024?

 

Better Q is how many didnt🤣

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

Snippet of Hugo Carvajal Barrios' (the former Director of Military Intelligence for Venezuela) letter to Trump:

You asked above: Anyone wanting to go down the rabbit hole?

 

I don't.

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

You asked above: Anyone wanting to go down the rabbit hole?

 

I don't.

 

Suit yourself.