18 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The "benefits" from allies? Like Europe's $200B+ annual trade surplus with the U.S. while we bankroll 70% of NATO's muscle? That's not partnership—that's parasitism.

Your "independence" talk? Cute cover for decades of freeloading.

Go ahead, "stand alone"—see how long your welfare states last without American carriers, nukes, and intel keeping Russia and China at bay.

We're not "sold out"—we're done carrying dead weight. Independence is great; try affording it without our subsidy. Good luck.

 

If Europe goes it alone against Russia, then Europe will be annihilated.

 

The European arrogance goes so far as to believe they can take on the largest nuclear power on earth.

 

Without American leadership and guidance, Europe will be destroyed.

 

Thankfully Trump is taking the leadership and guiding Europe where it should go, as Europe's decrepit leadership hasn't a clue.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If Europe goes it alone against Russia, then Europe will be annihilated.

 

The European arrogance goes so far as to believe they can take on the largest nuclear power on earth.

 

Without American leadership and guidance, Europe will be destroyed.

 

Thankfully Trump is taking the leadership and guiding Europe where it should go, as Europe's decrepit leadership hasn't a clue.

Europe needs to let go of their security blanket and quit sucking their thumbs and grow a pair, and the US needs to stop coddling them as though they’re adult children mooching off their parents.

1 minute ago, novacova said:

Europe needs to let go of their security blanket and quit sucking their thumbs and grow a pair, and the US needs to stop coddling them as though they’re adult children mooching off their parents.

 

The problem is, like delusional children who've not had to face the real problems of the real world, European leaders have a totally reality-deficient view of the world which in no way corresponds to the actual state of affairs.

 

Europeans, in all seriousness, still believe they are major powers, just on the back of the EU market. It's delusional. 

 

Germany  is introducing conscription, as if that in any way would make a difference against Russian nuclear weapons or drones. France has in all seriousness advocated putting military personnel on the ground in Ukraine,. Boris Johnson precipated the war between Ukraine and Russia, when both were on the brink of signing a deal.

 

Europeans are seriously crazy and we'll be lucky if they don't plunge the world into another world war, yet again.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Europeans are seriously crazy and we'll be lucky if they don't plunge the world into another world war, yet again.

If so then let’s hope it’s just a European’s world war and keep the rest of the planet out of it.

Just now, novacova said:

If so then let’s hope it’s just a European’s world war and keep the rest of the planet out of it.

 

If Europe is going to precipitate a war against Russia, and all the war-mongering rhetoric of Baltic female political leaders, German politicians, French politicians and many others seems to point that way, and Putin himself seems not to be adverse to taking on Europe, then we'd have a conflagration that would put the Ukraine war, Iran-Israel, Gaza, in the shade. It would be very hard for other nations not to be sucked in, in some way.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

If Europe is going to precipitate a war against Russia, and all the war-mongering rhetoric of Baltic female political leaders, German politicians, French politicians and many others seems to point that way, and Putin himself seems not to be adverse to taking on Europe, then we'd have a conflagration that would put the Ukraine war, Iran-Israel, Gaza, in the shade. It would be very hard for other nations not to be sucked in, in some way.

 

 

Of course.

The Danes can make some delicious pastry......there's that.

57 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The "benefits" from allies? Like Europe's $200B+ annual trade surplus with the U.S. while we bankroll 70% of NATO's muscle? That's not partnership—that's parasitism.

Your "independence" talk? Cute cover for decades of freeloading.

Go ahead, "stand alone"—see how long your welfare states last without American carriers, nukes, and intel keeping Russia and China at bay.

We're not "sold out"—we're done carrying dead weight. Independence is great; try affording it without our subsidy. Good luck.

You do not understand why even? We buy American designed goods and services made and delivered from everywhere else than America, and where does the trade surplus ending up? 

 

It starts with understanding why you guys being F over by your own, before you start ranting 🤡

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

The Danes can make some delicious pastry......

 

And that's all you know about the Danes.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

[Danes[ just want to sit and drink beer instead of going on adventures.

i dont blame them for that, the issue with danes is they dont articulate, but rather sludder and throat sing

1 minute ago, mordothailand said:

i dont blame them for that, the issue with danes is they dont articulate, but rather sludder and throat sing

 

Yes, they do sound rather ridiculous when they open their mouths, I quite agree.

 

Imposible to take them seriously.

30 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

And that's all you know about the Danes.

I know they were the best Vikings ever. Anymore than that and I'll let slip too much personal info. vi ses

Inflammatory posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed.

US has been meddling long before Trump. So if the idea here is to leash out another anti-Trump narrative, it won't work. 

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

If Europe goes it alone against Russia, then Europe will be annihilated.

 

The European arrogance goes so far as to believe they can take on the largest nuclear power on earth.

 

Without American leadership and guidance, Europe will be destroyed.

 

Thankfully Trump is taking the leadership and guiding Europe where it should go, as Europe's decrepit leadership hasn't a clue.

You make a valid point. Europe is unprepared to deal with Russia. According to various sources, Europe has only between 2 to 8 days' worth of ammunition stockpiles ready for immediate use. This hows that Europe will struggle to handle a conflict against any adversary. For many years, Europe has prioritized social welfare over defense, largely because U.S. taxpayers have subsidized European security since the end of World War II. It's time for the U.S. to end this support, withdraw its military presence, and allow Europe to manage its own defense.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The problem is, like delusional children who've not had to face the real issues of the real world, European leaders have a totally reality-deficient view of the world which in no way corresponds to the actual state of affairs.

European leaders are stuck in the past. Europe is declining and holds little relevance in today's world.

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

You do not understand why even? We buy American designed goods and services made and delivered from everywhere else than America, and where does the trade surplus ending up? 

 

It starts with understanding why you guys being F over by your own, before you start ranting 🤡

You seem upset. I've noticed that Europeans can give criticism, but they struggle to accept it. You need to acknowledge that Europe is irrelevant.

3 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

 

The US does not pay 70% of NATO's bills. NATO doesn't have a centralised military budget that all its members pay into.

 

The only budget with shared funding that they have is a relatively small one for NATO's administrative functions which is directly proportional to each country's GDP and of that, the US pays about 22%, which is larger than anyone else (because their GDP is larger) but it's nowhere near 70%.

 

The actual amount is around $1 billion which might sound a lot, but it's miniscule compared to the total US defence budget of over $800 billion.

 

Now, it is true, that if you were to add up the defence budgets of all the NATO members and express that as one figure, then the US's defence spending would represent 70% of that total.

 

However that figure would be the total of what all  the NATO members combined (including the US) spend on their own defence. It is not what they spend on NATO.

 

In the case of the US for instance, the money you're talking about is the total budget for the US military all around the world - not exclusively on NATO.

 

As an example, the money currently being spent on deploying US naval assets to the seas near Venezuela, comes out of that budget. I don't think even you could argue that this money is somehow part of NATO  spending.

 

Your pedantic pivot from "bills" to "common budget" is the classic deadbeat dodge – sure, the tiny €4.6B pot for HQ, exercises, and pipes (0.3% of total Allied spending) is GDP-shared, with the U.S. at 16.3% (~€750M in 2025, down from 22% pre-tweak).

But that's the appetizer, not the meal.

The real "bills" are national defense budgets fueling NATO's warfighting edge – and there, the U.S. shells out 68.7% of the alliance's $1.6T total in 2025 ($950B U.S. vs. €485B from Europe/Canada at 2.02% GDP).

"Separate budgets"? Laughable – the 2% pledge (now 5% by 2035 per Hague Summit) is explicitly for NATO-relevant capabilities, with U.S. assets (100K troops in Europe, F-35s, nukes under SACEUR) directly enabling Article 5.

That Venezuela op? A sliver of the $950B – the bulk ($300B+ for European Command, Indo-Pacific pivot deterring threats to NATO flanks) keeps your backyard safe from Putin and Xi. Without it, your "independent" forces (e.g., Germany's rusting Leopard tanks) fold in weeks.

You're right on one thing: It's not "exclusively NATO" – it's U.S. global power subsidizing slackers. Only 23/32 allies hit 2% in 2025, up from 3 in 2014, because America called out the freeloading. Own the math: We're not "shirking" – we're overpaying for your peace dividend. Time to graduate from mooching.

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

You do not understand why even? We buy American designed goods and services made and delivered from everywhere else than America, and where does the trade surplus ending up? 

 

It starts with understanding why you guys being F over by your own, before you start ranting 🤡

 

"We buy American-designed goods made elsewhere"?

Spare the sob story – that's code for Europe offshoring production to dodge U.S. jobs while slapping 10–25% tariffs on our exports, then pocketing the profits from that $236B goods trade surplus with America in 2024 alone (EU exports €531.6B to U.S., imports €333.4B).

Where does it "end up"? In German carmakers' coffers, French pharma windfalls, and Irish tax havens – not funding your underfunded militaries.

Even including services, your "surplus" shrinks to €50B, but that's still you profiting off our market access while we subsidize your security with 68% of NATO's total defense spend ($950B U.S. vs. €485B rest).

"Understand why you're F over by your own"? Nah – that's the loser's cope for why Europe's elites let you freeload on American innovation (Boeing knockoffs) without reciprocating.

We're not "ranting" – we're done with the imbalance that lets you run surpluses while whining about "independence." Fix your trade barriers first, then lecture. ?

Mirror check – the clown's the one pretending deficits are "benefits" for the sucker paying the bill.

8 hours ago, Fact said:

You make a valid point. Europe is unprepared to deal with Russia. According to various sources, Europe has only between 2 to 8 days' worth of ammunition stockpiles ready for immediate use. This hows that Europe will struggle to handle a conflict against any adversary. For many years, Europe has prioritized social welfare over defense, largely because U.S. taxpayers have subsidized European security since the end of World War II. It's time for the U.S. to end this support, withdraw its military presence, and allow Europe to manage its own defense.

US planning for WW3 was to fight Russia in Europe.

 

Nothing to do with the U.S. subsiding Europe and everything to do with the U.S. planning against having wars fought in the U.S.

 

 

26 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

Your pedantic pivot from "bills" to "common budget" is the classic deadbeat dodge – sure, the tiny €4.6B pot for HQ, exercises, and pipes (0.3% of total Allied spending) is GDP-shared, with the U.S. at 16.3% (~€750M in 2025, down from 22% pre-tweak).

But that's the appetizer, not the meal.

The real "bills" are national defense budgets fueling NATO's warfighting edge – and there, the U.S. shells out 68.7% of the alliance's $1.6T total in 2025 ($950B U.S. vs. €485B from Europe/Canada at 2.02% GDP).

"Separate budgets"? Laughable – the 2% pledge (now 5% by 2035 per Hague Summit) is explicitly for NATO-relevant capabilities, with U.S. assets (100K troops in Europe, F-35s, nukes under SACEUR) directly enabling Article 5.

That Venezuela op? A sliver of the $950B – the bulk ($300B+ for European Command, Indo-Pacific pivot deterring threats to NATO flanks) keeps your backyard safe from Putin and Xi. Without it, your "independent" forces (e.g., Germany's rusting Leopard tanks) fold in weeks.

You're right on one thing: It's not "exclusively NATO" – it's U.S. global power subsidizing slackers. Only 23/32 allies hit 2% in 2025, up from 3 in 2014, because America called out the freeloading. Own the math: We're not "shirking" – we're overpaying for your peace dividend. Time to graduate from mooching.

Cheer up, EU and NATO members are increasing defense spending.

 

Though not buying US kill switched money pits.

Trump has done wonders for the European defense industry.

 

 

Trump 1 was bad enough, Trump 2 has made the USA the global pariah.  The last 11 months have shown all the USA's FORMER long-time friends and allies that Trump's USA is unstable, unreliable and cannot be trusted, on any and every issue.

 

Who knows whether Trump's "friends" in all US intelligence agencies are providing information to Trump's billionaire cyber friends, or worse, Pootin and others?

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Cheer up, EU and NATO members are increasing defense spending.

 

Though not buying US kill switched money pits.

Trump has done wonders for the European defense industry.

 

 

 

"Trump did wonders for European defense"?
Yeah, like the arsonist did wonders for the fire extinguisher industry.

You’re finally spending real money because he put a gun to your head and said “pay or pray.”
Now your Rheinmetall and Leonardo stocks are mooned, congrats on the glow-up.But keep dreaming about “no US kill-switches.”
Half your new orders are still F-35s, Patriots, and Reaper drones, because your “independent” toys can’t even share a radio frequency.So thanks for the gratitude, Europe.
The alarm clock was loud, ugly, and orange, but at least you’re finally out of bed.
You’re welcome.

14 hours ago, Chutney said:

Female actually. 55555

That's as good an excuse as any.I suppose.   

14 hours ago, Chutney said:

Sorry to have hurt your feelings. If good ole USA is so marvelous one wonders why you are living in Thailand? 🙂

                 You have not hurt my feelings , and I have never said the USA is "so marvellous"    I am  not American and  have no wish to live  there, so no need to wonder anything.   What I have done is call  out another idiotic leftist hurling stupid girly insults against a man who has achieved more than you ever have and ever will. 

                 There is a good reason why there has never been a female US President As demonstrated in your post and the persona of Cackling Kamala,   they are over emotional , prone to hysteria and incapable of intelligent debate,so it is and always will be "a mans job"   now go and stamp your feet and protest your outrage  as much as you like, it changes nothing and just  proves my point

                  Anyway why are you even here?   you sound  like a "teacher "   not much else here for a woman to do, well not unless prepared to "work" illegally and in the face of some very stiff local competition, i 

12 hours ago, Fact said:

You seem upset. I've noticed that Europeans can give criticism, but they struggle to accept it. You need to acknowledge that Europe is irrelevant.

Seems someone else is more upset than me! 

 

The guys who says Europe is irrelevant and have been taking advantage of USA. The ones who buys in to MAGA BS, and do not understand how a Empire keeps their allies in check where everyone feels benefited and satisfied. 

 

Just admit it, your own country sold you guys out long time ago, and now serving you lame propaganda and blaims. 

Denmark has a spy agency??

17 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

Wait a bloody minute?

No, you wait – your cherry-picked NPR quote from 2018 (pre-Trump's spending surge and 2025's new targets) is outdated spin that confuses NATO's tiny "common budget" with the real meat:

Each ally's defense spending, where the U.S. shoulders 65–70% of the alliance's total firepower while most Europeans freeload.

"Shirking"? Bull – the U.S. has overpaid for years, dumping $1.2T+ annually (3.5% GDP in 2025) into global ops that protect Europe from Russia and China, while allies like Germany scraped by at 1.2% until Putin's Ukraine wake-up call.

Your "22% of common budget" line? That's the peanuts pot ($3.8B in 2024, $4.1B in 2025) for HQ and exercises – US pays 16.3% now (down from 22% pre-formula tweak), based on GDP shares, not "shirking."

The 2% (now 5% by 2035 per Hague Summit 2025) is national defense spending – not "payments to NATO" – and only 23/32 allies hit 2% in 2025, up from 9 in 2024, thanks to Trump's nagging.

Alliance total: $1.6T in 2025, US ~$950B of it – that's 59%, not "nothing to do with NATO." Your "war budget separate" dodge? Naive – U.S. forces in Europe (100K troops, 2025) and nukes under NATO command are the backbone keeping Putin at bay.

Europe's "trade deals"? Yeah, $200B+ surpluses with the U.S., all while we subsidize your security. Shirking? Europe wrote the book – pay up or own the hypocrisy.

That 3.5% 1.2T figure of the US' GDP is just a tiny part of military expenditures. Numbers don't lie.

 

Next, you'll say that US training exercises for foreign armies such as Thailand's keep America safe! And nukes are not "keeping Putin at bay"! A madman doesn't think about MAD. Let's just hope the American and Israeli govts are slightly less mad. 

 

If even what are euphemistically called 'battlefield nukes' were used, the human costs would be devastating and last many generations. There are still--in 2025--people dying in Japan because of Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Just look at the long-term effects of the nuclear 'bunker-buster' bombs used in the US' useless wars on the Middle East. Newsflash: there weren't even any bunkers.

 

Bottom line: You and I can't even imagine these numbers. But think of all the good that money could do for not only Americans but in the rest of the world if it wasn't used for killing. There's simply no justification no matter how you cut it. 

 

 

18 hours ago, Chutney said:

Female actually. 55555

Chutney, it's sure good to see a woman here expressing their opinions. The right vs left, spy v spy of AN's manosphere is pretty confining. Too many haters in the world. Hope to hear more from you.

13 hours ago, Fact said:

You make a valid point. Europe is unprepared to deal with Russia. According to various sources, Europe has only between 2 to 8 days' worth of ammunition stockpiles ready for immediate use. This hows that Europe will struggle to handle a conflict against any adversary. For many years, Europe has prioritized social welfare over defense, largely because U.S. taxpayers have subsidized European security since the end of World War II. It's time for the U.S. to end this support, withdraw its military presence, and allow Europe to manage its own defense.

War over US/Russian hegemony fought in Europe?!? You don't remember WWI & WWII. If you think fighting wars will end war, your head must be in a confined place with eyes closed and ears plugged. In case you haven't noticed, Europe's social welfare policies are a great success for people, unlike the US where people are only regarded as consumers. Ammunition over people?!? You sound like the type to watch wars on TV.