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Human limits... a conclusion

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4 hours ago, connda said:

What's wrong with socialism?  

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5 hours ago, connda said:

What's wrong with socialism?  

Nothing if you have no ambition.

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8 hours ago, Screaming said:

And a big AMEN to those words and scripture. President Trump acknowledged that God saved him from death by a crazed sniper and President Trump has been trying to put the morals and principles of the founding fathers back into the government of the U.S. Of course the left wing socialists hate him for this as they believe that God should be taken out of all social and government life. They believe that Big Government ruled by bureaucrats and tax the poor folks to give to the unwilling should be the rule. And along with socialism you have gender dis-function as well as every other debauchery conceivable.  

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If, in fact, there was a supernatural agency which protected Donald Trump, we should respect his theological chops enough to accept that it was God who saved him and not the opposition?

He's a believer in free enterprise? Someone who now has the government taking shares in corporations, dictating their policies,  and sharing in their profits?  Someone who  imposes government intervention in the free market in the form of high taxation? Anyway, it's interesting to see that some right wingers like you believe that higher taxation on in the marketplace  isn't necessarily a policy that is indicative of socialism.

As for putting God back into government...you might want to explain why God isn't mentioned once in the body of the Constitution. You think that the founding father's just forgot? James Madison, also known as the Father of the Constitution, was actually against  the Army even hiring chaplains on the grounds that it was a violation of the Constitution. 

No, accusations of Socialism or Marxism are just the Pavlovian right wing way to label programs and opinions they disagree with.

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9 hours ago, swissie said:

It must have escaped you: Right wing movements are gaining strenght, socialism on the decline. Worldwide.

 

For 2000 years "God" and his representatives have promessed that we will have a better world, just as long as we believe in their "instructions". 

 

Well, it diden't work. We urgently need another "God".

Thank you for your reply. It's good to see socialism is on the decline (I hope!) and sad to see other flawed movements filling the vacuum.

 

I've not seen anywhere where God promised a better world. Perhaps this is why the world hasn't gotten better. The world just continues on since the resurrection proof that Jesus is the One promised by God, filled with the same fallen natured humanity. I share your sadness at mankind's history of injustice, cruelty and all the suffering caused by human flaws.

 

Of all the people I've known in my life, only a small percentage I would call sincere Christians. The rest would put "Christian" on their dogtags but you'd never know by the way they lived. CINO. They put out a bad reputation of Christianity.

 

I have seen where God promised reconciliation to Himself through the work of Christ Jesus. Restored personal relationship between you and God in this life and the next life. In other words, eternal life with God after we die.

 

There is a cavernous distinction between fallen man's human nature (aka the "world") and the nature of God's kingdom.  Before His crucifixtion, Jesus told Pilate His kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36).

 

"You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world." (John 8:23)

 

Jesus points out that the Pharisees (and all fallen humans) are focused on worldly matters (e.g. constrained to worshipping gods made in the minds of men rather than the one true God. Money. Power. Greed. Selfishness. Dishonesty. Murder. Theft.), while Jesus Christ embodies a higher, divine truth (John 8:23).

 

Note the solid unchangeable inability of the Pharisees (and fallen human nature) to recognize Jesus as the Messiah due to their attachment to worldly values.

 

"For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” (Romans 14:17).

 

If I choose to consistently follow the Holy Spirit; to yield to His prompting, He will guide me to living my life in a loving way that is pleasing to God. If I do this, I suppose you can say the world is a little better.

 

I still make mistakes and sin but I am forgiven and my mind is being renewed; I'm no longer a slave to worldly thinking. 

 

God is all we need. He's quite sufficient. 

11 hours ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

Why is the unwelcome resurgence of socialism; the widespread demand for socialism by a highly organized minority creating an astroturfed appearance of popular support?

 

I read the news and it seems that leftist online narrative creators are indoctrinating millions of highly impressionable and easily influenced young hot-take outrage tourists with socialist messaging. Seems like they're succeeding slowly but surely especially in the youngest generations.

 

I am led to believe that the younger the generation is, the warmer the reception towards socialism. Why? Why the increase of uncritical acceptance of a flawed idea?

 

It seems that all attempts to teach people about the real failures of socialism (e.g. concentration of power and not equality, economic destruction, loss of personal initiative, suppression of dissent, dependency, human nature abhors forced coercion), the basic laws of economics, and the immorality and destructiveness of confiscating property and denying citizens their constitutional freedoms are misdirected, misguided and futile (are they even being taught in the first place?).

 

I think I'm seeing a simple and natural  reaction by our youth to the adverse moral, societal, political and economic state of the United States.

 

I believe the younger generations see the inertia of cultural patterns in our country. They understand that the present day momentum of existing practices prevents any real reform... ever. The outlook for these folks is grim.

 

Given the choice to view socialism as an ideological salvage operation for multiple generations or a moral failing inherent in human nature, it would be truer to see socialism as a reaction to all the negative cultural norms they live in.

 

When you are in this hopeless mindset about your future life and happiness then someone comes to you saying, "I have a lifeline... grab it!" Wouldn't you grab it and grasp it for a while hoping things got better?

 

The socialist promoters tempt with the idea of, "Eat this fruit, yes, vote and campaign for this socialist — and you will have everything you want." It worked in New York.

 

Moral decline precedes political decline.

 

We as humans have a glass ceiling called fallen human nature that limits us from doing what is perfectly right. Looking at death by a thousand cuts our country and people are experiencing, I fear no real exit remains, except one. All available paths converge on the same outcome, except one. The situation admits there is no off-ramp, no exit strategy, except one. There is no way out-only through.

 

We've been living in natural hatred for God for the longest time. How's that been working out for us?

 

Time for an admission of reality.

We need to be guided by God, not ideology.

 

2 Chronicles 7:14
14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

fallen human nature"

Christian brain washing at a tender age manifesting in adulthood.

That darn serpent and the apple.

And you know "the woman tempted me".

(By the way, the preceding is by far my favorite Biblical verse).

 

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9 hours ago, kwilco said:

so you are a Christian? it sounds like you are asking for the help of God? (Christian God?)  yet you fail to admit that basic Christian aims align with the core values of socialism and the principles behind a welfare state, such as social justice, compassion for the poor, communal support, and the inherent dignity of all people.

 

 

I will disagree on one point because of the caverous distinction between political movements (aka the "world") and the kingdom of God. We're made in God's image and thus we have those innate attributes of God, the loving ideals you mention as bedrock of socialism. But fallen human nature's scorn and rejection of God prohibits those ideals to become reality... human nature, without the renewing by God of fallen man's mind, will always revert back to the base thinking that caused so many problems in the first place.

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16 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

fallen human nature"

Christian brain washing at a tender age manifesting in adulthood.

That darn serpent and the apple.

And you know "the woman tempted me".

(By the way, the preceding is by far my favorite Biblical verse).

 

"fallen human nature"

 

So empirically provable.

8 hours ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

Please tell me what you meant to say. I see you highlighted some text from my post and mentioned AI and then... 

Thank you.

You've got 89 posts in 20 years.  Accounts like the one you replied to have thousands in a few months and they have a tendency to abandon the account and create a new one after a string of embarrassing statements or predictions.  Textbook troll behavior.

8 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

You've got 89 posts in 20 years.  Accounts like the one you replied to have thousands in a few months and they have a tendency to abandon the account and create a new one after a string of embarrassing statements or predictions.  Textbook troll behavior.

Your own personal experience, how many faces have you here?

12 minutes ago, novacova said:

Your own personal experience, how many faces have you here?

You can see my join date.  It's the only "face" I have.

11 hours ago, connda said:

What's wrong with socialism?  

It always fails. 

10 hours ago, swissie said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with socialism.

There is nothing wrong other than the fact it never works.  

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No we dont. We just need to eradicate satan.

 

Thank god for right wing movements

yes  trump and the right wing are imploding and will soon be a thing of the past in power in the USA so your satan will be gone for a while. try to keep up with real information not trumpette propaganda

31 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

You've got 89 posts in 20 years. Textbook troll behavior.

89 posts in twenty years most certainly does not reach the criteria of troll behavior. Though accusing one of being so most certainly is. You got bothered by another’s perspective and falsely used the typical troll name calling to relieve your cognitive dissonance.

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

yes  trump and the right wing are imploding and will soon be a thing of the past in power in the USA so your satan will be gone for a while.

Are you Iranian?

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

89 posts in twenty years most certainly does not reach the criteria of troll behavior. Though accusing one of being so most certainly is. You got bothered by another’s perspective and falsely used the typical troll name calling to relieve your cognitive dissonance.

Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion the guy with 89 posts is the one I'm calling a troll.  I thought it would be obvious I'm referring to the guy he replied to.

3 minutes ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion the guy with 89 posts is the one I'm calling a troll.  I thought it would be obvious I'm referring to the guy he replied to.

Not my conclusion, it’s your conclusion, take another read of your post…

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though if English isn’t your first language then you are forgiven.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Not my conclusion, it’s your conclusion, take another read of your post…

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though if English isn’t your first language then you are forgiven.

"89 is 20 years" highlights the difference between him and the account like the one he replied to that has thousands in 6 months  "Accounts like the one you replied to...."  The 89 count person isn't the troll.

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The dead cant answer

Dude - Predatory Capitalism has been the cause of more death on this planet that well run socialistic systems.  
Look at socialistic Sweden:

  • Happiness and Life Satisfaction: Sweden ranks 4th globally in the World Happiness Report 2025, with a score of approximately 7.34 out of 10. This places it behind Finland, Denmark, and Iceland, but ahead of most nations, attributable to factors such as social support, healthy life expectancy, and perceived freedom.
  • Human Development: Sweden achieves a very high ranking in the Human Development Index (HDI), typically placing 5th to 7th worldwide (0.959 in recent data), excelling in life expectancy, education, and standard of living.
  • Gender Equality: Sweden ranks 6th in the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap Report 2025 (score of 81.7%) and often leads or ranks highest in the European Institute for Gender Equality's Gender Equality Index within the EU, demonstrating near-parity in economic participation, education, health, and political empowerment.
  • Income Equality: Sweden maintains one of the lowest Gini coefficients globally, around 27-30% in recent years, indicating minimal income disparity compared to OECD averages.
  • Social Progress and Quality of Life: Sweden performs exceptionally in the Social Progress Index (scores around 90, typically in the top 10) and related rankings, leading in categories such as social purpose, quality of life, and environmental sustainability.
  • Education and Health: In the PISA 2022 assessments, Swedish 15-year-olds scored above OECD averages in mathematics (482), reading (487), and science (494). Sweden also ranks highly in healthcare quality and access.

Source: Grokapedia

Now before you point to the likes of Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and other as the "curse of socialism," note that their societies are deliberately being destroyed by US sanctions.  If you sanction Sweden or any so-called "Capitalist Utopia" with society killing sanctions, you can claim that their form of government is the cause of human misery and death.  But what is the cause of the human misery and death are sanctions used to overthrow those government in the interests of a sadistic US foreign policy.  Levy sanctions of Sweden and it can be made into a hell-hole too.  

Nope - there is nothing inherently "bad" in socialism.  If well run, it works - and Sweden is that poster child for the success of Socialism. 

Here an example of the "Success of Predatory Capitalism."

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12 hours ago, connda said:

What's wrong with socialism?  

 

What's wrong is that most numpties don't know what socialism actually is. They think anything that isn't selfish and self-centered is communism. 

Capitalism is king except if your house is on fire then you dial 911 and wait for a big red socialist truck.

1 hour ago, novacova said:

Are you Iranian?

Nope I'm American and used to be a Republican before they sold their souls to give Trump a reach around just to ride on his coattails for votes.  You obviously aren't an American and\or Ignorant of facts so don't post moronic bs. Read the news sometime and stop drinking the Kool aid

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2 hours ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

You've got 89 posts in 20 years.  Accounts like the one you replied to have thousands in a few months and they have a tendency to abandon the account and create a new one after a string of embarrassing statements or predictions.  Textbook troll

 

2 hours ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

You've got 89 posts in 20 years.  Accounts like the one you replied to have thousands in a few months and they have a tendency to abandon the account and create a new one after a string of embarrassing statements or predictions.  Textbook troll behavior.

Keen observation! I believe trolls and bots are ineffective in changing peoples' opinions because folks are wise to the Big Lie and illusory effect. I'm grateful to you for pointing this out. BTW, I've been mocked for having "only" 89 posts. Does AN offer a prize at the end of the year for the person who posted the most? Merry Christmas!

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No we dont. We just need to eradicate satan.

 

Thank god for right wing movements

You are totally right! get rid of satan!

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1 hour ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

 

Keen observation! I believe trolls and bots are ineffective in changing peoples' opinions because folks are wise to the Big Lie and illusory effect. I'm grateful to you for pointing this out. BTW, I've been mocked for having "only" 89 posts. Does AN offer a prize at the end of the year for the person who posted the most? Merry Christmas!

I doubt you've been mocked for having posted only 89 times. But if your posts here  are a representative sample of the kind of the empty and bizarre generalizations you offer elsewhere,  I can see why those posts might have received a less than enthusiastic reception. 

 

Here's some socialist literature for you to ponder:

Acts 2:44-45 (NIV): "All the believers were together and shared everything they had. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need".

Acts 4:32 (NIV): "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had".

It comes from a document popularly known as The New Testament.

3 hours ago, connda said:

Dude - Predatory Capitalism has been the cause of more death on this planet that well run socialistic systems.  
Look at socialistic Sweden:

  • Happiness and Life Satisfaction: Sweden ranks 4th globally in the World Happiness Report 2025, with a score of approximately 7.34 out of 10. This places it behind Finland, Denmark, and Iceland, but ahead of most nations, attributable to factors such as social support, healthy life expectancy, and perceived freedom.
  • Human Development: Sweden achieves a very high ranking in the Human Development Index (HDI), typically placing 5th to 7th worldwide (0.959 in recent data), excelling in life expectancy, education, and standard of living.
  • Gender Equality: Sweden ranks 6th in the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap Report 2025 (score of 81.7%) and often leads or ranks highest in the European Institute for Gender Equality's Gender Equality Index within the EU, demonstrating near-parity in economic participation, education, health, and political empowerment.
  • Income Equality: Sweden maintains one of the lowest Gini coefficients globally, around 27-30% in recent years, indicating minimal income disparity compared to OECD averages.
  • Social Progress and Quality of Life: Sweden performs exceptionally in the Social Progress Index (scores around 90, typically in the top 10) and related rankings, leading in categories such as social purpose, quality of life, and environmental sustainability.
  • Education and Health: In the PISA 2022 assessments, Swedish 15-year-olds scored above OECD averages in mathematics (482), reading (487), and science (494). Sweden also ranks highly in healthcare quality and access.

Source: Grokapedia

Now before you point to the likes of Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and other as the "curse of socialism," note that their societies are deliberately being destroyed by US sanctions.  If you sanction Sweden or any so-called "Capitalist Utopia" with society killing sanctions, you can claim that their form of government is the cause of human misery and death.  But what is the cause of the human misery and death are sanctions used to overthrow those government in the interests of a sadistic US foreign policy.  Levy sanctions of Sweden and it can be made into a hell-hole too.  

Nope - there is nothing inherently "bad" in socialism.  If well run, it works - and Sweden is that poster child for the success of Socialism. 

Here an example of the "Success of Predatory Capitalism."

46738.jpg.1169642ae3c72ccdbb8671c75054484a.jpg

The dead are screaming at you from the pits they were tossed in by your ideological heroes

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I doubt you've been mocked for having posted only 89 times. But if your posts here  are a representative sample of the kind of the empty and bizarre generalizations you offer elsewhere,  I can see why those posts might have received a less than enthusiastic reception. 

 

Here's some socialist literature for you to ponder:

Acts 2:44-45 (NIV): "All the believers were together and shared everything they had. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need".

Acts 4:32 (NIV): "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had".

It comes from a document popularly known as The New Testament.

I'm dying to know what your point is although usually you have no point at all

The younger generation is infected by SMD (social media disease. It is indisious. I consider social media to be the most destructive force in contemporary culture today. Children are growing up now in a world where they expect immediate response, gratification and notification. Their brains no longer have time to evolve; they must adapt to change in an instant, and the results are distressing. The difficulties of growing up have never been so public. Social technology provides a platform where things can run wild. Imagine the stress of high school – the competition for popularity, the pressure to fit in, the judgmental nature of social activities – at an accelerated pace. We try to protect our children from wandering off into the darkness on their own, and it turns out they are doing exactly that – online. When they get older and “ready,” we send them off to college, where they face more pressures. But social media has an infamous dark side and the more people share, the more serious this side becomes. As it turns out, living your life online has serious consequences for your self-esteem, your relationships, and your career prospects. 

 

And it is a strong indication of just how bent, warped and misguided contemporary culture and society is, that someone can be considered an idol or celebrity just because they have alot of followers on Tik tok, Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram. 

 

17 hours ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

Why is the unwelcome resurgence of socialism; the widespread demand for socialism by a highly organized minority creating an astroturfed appearance of popular support?

 

I read the news and it seems that leftist online narrative creators are indoctrinating millions of highly impressionable and easily influenced young hot-take outrage tourists with socialist messaging. Seems like they're succeeding slowly but surely especially in the youngest generations.

 

I am led to believe that the younger the generation is, the warmer the reception towards socialism. Why? Why the increase of uncritical acceptance of a flawed idea?

 

It seems that all attempts to teach people about the real failures of socialism (e.g. concentration of power and not equality, economic destruction, loss of personal initiative, suppression of dissent, dependency, human nature abhors forced coercion), the basic laws of economics, and the immorality and destructiveness of confiscating property and denying citizens their constitutional freedoms are misdirected, misguided and futile (are they even being taught in the first place?).

 

I think I'm seeing a simple and natural  reaction by our youth to the adverse moral, societal, political and economic state of the United States.

 

I believe the younger generations see the inertia of cultural patterns in our country. They understand that the present day momentum of existing practices prevents any real reform... ever. The outlook for these folks is grim.

 

Given the choice to view socialism as an ideological salvage operation for multiple generations or a moral failing inherent in human nature, it would be truer to see socialism as a reaction to all the negative cultural norms they live in.

 

When you are in this hopeless mindset about your future life and happiness then someone comes to you saying, "I have a lifeline... grab it!" Wouldn't you grab it and grasp it for a while hoping things got better?

 

The socialist promoters tempt with the idea of, "Eat this fruit, yes, vote and campaign for this socialist — and you will have everything you want." It worked in New York.

 

Moral decline precedes political decline.

 

We as humans have a glass ceiling called fallen human nature that limits us from doing what is perfectly right. Looking at death by a thousand cuts our country and people are experiencing, I fear no real exit remains, except one. All available paths converge on the same outcome, except one. The situation admits there is no off-ramp, no exit strategy, except one. There is no way out-only through.

 

We've been living in natural hatred for God for the longest time. How's that been working out for us?

 

Time for an admission of reality.

We need to be guided by God, not ideology.

 

2 Chronicles 7:14
14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

 

Wow...you are in for a shock when you die.

16 hours ago, Screaming said:

And a big AMEN to those words and scripture. President Trump acknowledged that God saved him from death by a crazed sniper and President Trump has been trying to put the morals and principles of the founding fathers back into the government of the U.S.

 

God, I love sarcasm.

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