6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Torturing? Who is being tortured? Unauthorized migrants who did not respect the terms of the agreement under which they were allowed into the USA were asked to leave. Those who did not leave, are being removed.

They are HUMAN BEINGS!

Deportation? Yes.

TORTURE?!? NO!

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The courts have already ruled on these rights, with the SCOTUS offering the final say.There are specific limitations on due process that apply to unauthorized migrants.One of the most important is that if a migrant  has not been lawfully admitted there is no  requirement for due process. In plain language, millions of unauthorized border crossers, have no legal right to due process. 

 

If people have been issued final removal orders, they have exhausted the legal process. Due process in immigration regulation enforcement refers to an immigrant facing deportation receiving notice of the process and being afforded a chance to present a case before an immigration judge.

 

It is wonderful that some people rely on snippets of information from  political action websites, but the application of the law is influenced by SCOTUS rulings, many of which occurred 20+ years ago.

 

 

For example;  Demore v. Kim, 2003: SCOTUS held that mandatory detention during removal proceedings of aliens who had committed specified crimes was constitutionally permissible. It also reaffirmed the prior longstanding interpretation that the Government may detain deportable aliens as part of the removal process.

 

 Jennings v. Rodrigue  2018: SCOTUS   held that there was no time limit for holding people subject to deportation.

The Court ldso reperatedf its finding that only aliens who have established connections in  the USA had due process protections in their removal proceedings. 

 

Multiple SCOTUS rulings long before Trumpo established that constitutional protections depend on certain factors, including whether the alien has been lawfully admitted or developed ties to the United States, and whether the alien has engaged in specified criminal activity. Therefore, even with regard to aliens present within the United States, the Court has sometimes deferred to Congress’s policy judgments that limit the ability of some classes of aliens to contest their detention or removal. 

 

 

Wilful misinterpretation of law and scotus. Your cases are not applicable with the issue at hand anyway. It's not about holding people while waiting for deportation. You're ignoring the issue here, the torture of the people removed, sometimes unlawfully removed.

On 12/25/2025 at 3:55 PM, Yagoda said:

They are kind of irrelevant in my milieau. If they are violent criminal racists, lock them up.

 

But then some dipstick POTUS comes along and pardons them all.

17 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

They are HUMAN BEINGS!

Deportation? Yes.

TORTURE?!? NO!

I agree that torture is unacceptable. However, I see no evidence of torture occurring in the USA or at facilities operated by the USA.

There are allegations of  wrongdoing in respect to foreign operated facilities. Your concerns should be raised with those foreign facilities. Unauthorized migrants were removed from the USA in accordance  with US regulations. They were sent to a destination that would accept them. The destination considered the deportees to be dangerous. If their home countries would  assist and take them back they could leave. Unfortunately, their homelands either refuse to co-operate, or have stated that they do not have the facilities to deal with violent offenders.

15 hours ago, stevenl said:

Wilful misinterpretation of law and scotus. Your cases are not applicable with the issue at hand anyway. It's not about holding people while waiting for deportation. You're ignoring the issue here, the torture of the people removed, sometimes unlawfully removed.

 

How are the previous SCOTUS positions inapplicable?

You claim that due process has not been respected. Fine. How many of the people removed was in the USA lawfully and in compliance with a visa? If the person was an unauthorized migrant, such as a person who crossed the USA-Mexico border without  declaring to US immigration,  the SCOTUS has already stated that they cannot claim due process protections since they were not visa holders. If a person was subject to a deportation order and it was carried out, then again,  claiming  due process was denied is going to be difficult.

 

I accept that a number of the  removed people may have legitimate positions. They can pursue their claim against the US government  in court. One of the many social advocacy groups will take up their case and address it through the court system. If they have been  harmed, they will receive compensation. The USA is bound to make a few mistakes as it wrestles with the millions of unauthorized  migrants who must be removed.

On 12/25/2025 at 4:10 PM, HappyExpat57 said:

Again, until you've watched this video (which you either haven't or, if you did and defend what they are doing, are a very sick individual) you have no right to comment on it.

For the record, the segment you’re referring to aired on Global TV Canada (which carries 60 Minutes), and its broadcast was later cancelled. If there’s a specific factual claim from it you want to discuss, feel free to state it directly.

 

I've seen both extremely left-wing biased and fair, real, in-depth reporting on what daily life is like in CECOT in El Salvador according to interviews with inmates some of whom participate in rehabilitation programs there. 

 

So I don’t watch political videos as arguments. If there’s a specific claim in the CBS piece about Trump deportations, feel free to state it and cite the source.

 

Declaring people “sick” unless they consume a particular TV segment is moral blackmail, not discussion.

 

What exactly in the video changes the policy facts? Quote it, summarize it, or move on.

 

No one needs permission to comment on public policy in ASEAN NOW. Make the claim or move on.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

But then some dipstick POTUS comes along and pardons them all.

Depends what they do. Havent seen any death row murderers pardoned yet have we?

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

I agree that torture is unacceptable. However, I see no evidence of torture occurring in the USA or at facilities operated by the USA.

There are allegations of  wrongdoing in respect to foreign operated facilities. Your concerns should be raised with those foreign facilities. Unauthorized migrants were removed from the USA in accordance  with US regulations. They were sent to a destination that would accept them. The destination considered the deportees to be dangerous. If their home countries would  assist and take them back they could leave. Unfortunately, their homelands either refuse to co-operate, or have stated that they do not have the facilities to deal with violent offenders.

Again, you did NOT watch the video!

Kristi Noem is highlighted as being in charge. 

7 hours ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

For the record, the segment you’re referring to aired on Global TV Canada (which carries 60 Minutes), and its broadcast was later cancelled. If there’s a specific factual claim from it you want to discuss, feel free to state it directly.

 

I've seen both extremely left-wing biased and fair, real, in-depth reporting on what daily life is like in CECOT in El Salvador according to interviews with inmates some of whom participate in rehabilitation programs there. 

 

So I don’t watch political videos as arguments. If there’s a specific claim in the CBS piece about Trump deportations, feel free to state it and cite the source.

 

Declaring people “sick” unless they consume a particular TV segment is moral blackmail, not discussion.

 

What exactly in the video changes the policy facts? Quote it, summarize it, or move on.

 

No one needs permission to comment on public policy in ASEAN NOW. Make the claim or move on.

This thread is about a video. Watch it or move on 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

This thread is about a video. Watch it or move on 

If discussion requires compulsory viewing, it isn’t discussion — it’s propaganda distribution.
I’ll engage with arguments, not ultimatums.

 

Still waiting for an actual claim to discuss.

16 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

I’ll engage with arguments, not ultimatums.

Arguments without watching the topic. Sure.

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Again, you did NOT watch the video!

Kristi Noem is highlighted as being in charge. 

Noem is not in charge. She has no authority over foreign  detention centers.

I do not like her, and would not defend her. However, I expect that  her statements are taken out of context and edited.

9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Noem is not in charge. She has no authority over foreign  detention centers.

I do not like her, and would not defend her. However, I expect that  her statements are taken out of context and edited.

Don't kid yourself. US is sending PLENTY of our tax dollars to CECOT to finance this torture. They take their orders from the current administration via Noem.

11 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Noem is not in charge. She has no authority over foreign  detention centers.

 

Because she doesn't have authority doesn't mean she doesn't put herself in charge. It's all too common with this administration that don't give a damn about complying with the law.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Arguments without watching the topic. Sure.

Amazing how strong a position is when it can only be expressed by saying “watch this".

 

If the argument can’t be stated without a video, it’s not an argument.

 

Requiring compulsory viewing to participate isn’t debate — it’s indoctrination.

 

I’ll engage when there’s an actual point to engage with.

5 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

Amazing how strong a position is when it can only be expressed by saying “watch this".

 

If the argument can’t be stated without a video, it’s not an argument.

 

Requiring compulsory viewing to participate isn’t debate — it’s indoctrination.

 

I’ll engage when there’s an actual point to engage with.

Of course, you don't like to watch videos because they can contain proof. And you like to believe things that can not be proven.

On 12/25/2025 at 2:51 PM, Yagoda said:

Thats only done to Jews by cowardly anti semites. Your use of the term Baba Yar is a disgusting troll, typical of your neo national socialist ilk who spews such garbage on this Forum

 

So you are alleging that Americans would mass murder illegal aliens?

 

 

Are you ok ? Seriously. 

31 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

Amazing how strong a position is when it can only be expressed by saying “watch this".

 

If the argument can’t be stated without a video, it’s not an argument.

 

Requiring compulsory viewing to participate isn’t debate — it’s indoctrination.

 

I’ll engage when there’s an actual point to engage with.

This ENTIRE THREAD was BASED ON THIS VIDEO.

Go support your fascist rants on another topic, lord knows there are plenty of them on AN.

Watch the video and comment on its details or stop blathering.

On 12/25/2025 at 9:18 PM, Explorator en Actione said:

Try sneaking into Canada, UK or anywhere in Asia and see where you wind up…….they broke the Law, thus they are criminals………Nuff Said       Peace

in the case of the UK you would wind up in a 4 or 5 star hotel complete with your choice of I phone and  new clothing.   You would also receive  privileged access to medical  and dental care , over and above that offered to the indigenous population, and as the icing on the cake ,  you would enjoy the free services of a lefty lawyer effectively giving a real degree of immunity from prosecution

     Eventually your "wife" and "family " can be invited to join you  but until that happens  underage council estate girls are available for your delectation  I could go on but I feel physically sick

55 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Are you ok ? Seriously. 

Sure, how about you? You seem a bit disturbed

20 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

in the case of the UK you would wind up in a 4 or 5 star hotel complete with your choice of I phone and  new clothing.   You would also receive  privileged access to medical  and dental care , over and above that offered to the indigenous population, and as the icing on the cake ,  you would enjoy the free services of a lefty lawyer effectively giving a real degree of immunity from prosecution

     Eventually your "wife" and "family " can be invited to join you  but until that happens  underage council estate girls are available for your delectation  I could go on but I feel physically sick

I feel physically sick having just seen the vomit you spewed. You clearly get your "news" from Yaxley-Lennon or some similar source as it is worthless nonsense. 

Just now, josephbloggs said:

I feel physically sick having just seen the vomit you spewed. You clearly get your "news" from Yaxley-Lennon or some similar source as it is worthless nonsense. 

so which part of what I wrote is untrue  Do you deny that they are housed in hotels?  Do you deny that they receive free phones , clothing and access to medical care   off you trot and stick your fingers down your throat 

Troll posts removed @Bday Prang discuss the topic and stop trolling other posters.

39 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

so which part of what I wrote is untrue  Do you deny that they are housed in hotels?  Do you deny that they receive free phones , clothing and access to medical care   off you trot and stick your fingers down your throat 

Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are interested in learning. Once only.

 

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in the case of the UK you would wind up in a 4 or 5 star hotel complete with your choice of I phone and  new clothing.   

Yes, thanks to the backlog (mostly created by the Tories) some are temporarily housed in hotels. But they are not 4 or 5 star luxury hotels. It's contracted out to Serco who provide the facilities. You don't get concierge, room service, daily laundry, five star facilities. Shared rooms, basic facilities.

You do not get a choice of iphone or a choice of clothing. You do not even get given a phone at all. Some charities have provided them - this was more common during Covid for contact tracing and for talking to lawyers as face to face was not possible,  but the myth lingers and is deliberary perpetuated by people like yourself. 

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

 

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You would also receive  privileged access to medical  and dental care , over and above that offered to the indigenous population

Yes, people with active cases receive basic medical care as should every human being. No privilege, nothing over and above what anyone else gets, again this is just right wing nonsense. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953624010128
 

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you would enjoy the free services of a lefty lawyer effectively giving a real degree of immunity from prosecution

More nonsense. "Lefty lawyer" shows what you really are I'm afraid. Legal aid is available but that is a basic human right and people are means tested (kind of ridiculous as they arrive with nothing, but it is part of due process). Do you expect people who have fled persecution or poverty or war to risk their lives crossing one of the most perilous stretches of water in a rubber boat and then speak perfect English and have a grasp of the legal system of the country they have ended up in? If they are lodging an asylum claim they need to be able to navigate the process.

Asylum seekers do get refused, they do get deported, they do get charged for offences. There is no immunity. What planet do you live on to think this?

https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/legal-aid/immigration-and-asylum-cases
 

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Eventually your "wife" and "family " can be invited to join you 

More nonsense. The labour government have stopped this.

Anyway, imagine finally receiving asylum after being deemed worthy and having gone through the journey, the application and being away from your family for years, then having the chance to be reunited - how disgusting. 

Anyway, as mentioned, this does'n't happen anymore. 

https://www.gov.uk/settlement-refugee-or-humanitarian-protection/family-reunion

 

 

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 but until that happens  underage council estate girls are available for your delectation 

Disgusting inflammatory nonsense.

So I have explained why everything you posted is inflammatory nonsense and provided evidence and links. Now over to you...

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are interested in learning. Once only.

 

Yes, thanks to the backlog (mostly created by the Tories) some are temporarily housed in hotels. But they are not 4 or 5 star luxury hotels. It's contracted out to Serco who provide the facilities. You don't get concierge, room service, daily laundry, five star facilities. Shared rooms, basic facilities.

You do not get a choice of iphone or a choice of clothing. You do not even get given a phone at all. Some charities have provided them - this was more common during Covid for contact tracing and for talking to lawyers as face to face was not possible,  but the myth lingers and is deliberary perpetuated by people like yourself. 

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

 

Yes, people with active cases receive basic medical care as should every human being. No privilege, nothing over and above what anyone else gets, again this is just right wing nonsense. 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953624010128
 

More nonsense. "Lefty lawyer" shows what you really are I'm afraid. Legal aid is available but that is a basic human right and people are means tested (kind of ridiculous as they arrive with nothing, but it is part of due process). Do you expect people who have fled persecution or poverty or persecution to risk their lives crossing one of the most perilous stretches of water in a rubber boat and then speak perfect English and have a grasp of the legal system of the country they have ended up in? If they are lodging an asylum claim they need to be able to navigate the process.

Asylum seekers do get refused, they do get deported, they do get charged for offences. There is no immunity. What planet do you live on to think this?

https://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information-and-resources/rights-and-entitlements/legal-aid/immigration-and-asylum-cases
 

More nonsense. The labour government have stopped this.

Anyway, imagine finally receiving asylum after being deemed worthy and having gone through the journey, the application and being away from your family for years, then having the chance to be reunited - how disgusting. 

Anyway, as mentioned, this does'n't happen anymore. 

https://www.gov.uk/settlement-refugee-or-humanitarian-protection/family-reunion

 

 

Disgusting inflammatory nonsense.

So I have explained why everything you posted is inflammatory nonsense and provided evidence and links. Now over to you...

Every asylum seeker has a phone, they throw their original phone into the sea along with their passports and any other documents that might help identify them. ,( although why doctors and scientists would do that is beyond me)

 

I did not say that they received 4/ 5 star service,  but we used to when these hotels were available to us

how many have you and your relatives agreed to house in the spare room ?   None of course and I don't blame you. 

 

So you claim that their families are no longer able to join them , courtesy of Labour if thats true  I am glad, but why do you not describe Labour as disgusting?   

 

They don't get a choice of clothing but amazingly all their clothes fit them ? lol

 

They get better access to medical treatment than returning expats,  yet have paid nothing into the system.  Legal aid is not a basic human right at all

 

 Many are not fleeing "persecution" or "poverty"  they pay more to get to the UK than the price of a first class ait ticket.

It is not necessary for Any of them to cross the english channel   asylum is available in nearly all european countries.

They are not welcome or wanted in the UK except by a few misguided leftists

 

They have been actively abusing girls in the UK for a long time the police turned a blind eye 

 

Why do their muslim"brothers " not offer them asylum?  Why do they not accept it if they do

 

Scroungers and criminals every one of them  the UK would be a damn sight better off without them

 

I am not prepared to waste my time  writing any more about this human detritus

 

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

in the case of the UK you would wind up in a 4 or 5 star hotel complete with your choice of I phone and  new clothing.   You would also receive  privileged access to medical  and dental care , over and above that offered to the indigenous population, and as the icing on the cake ,  you would enjoy the free services of a lefty lawyer effectively giving a real degree of immunity from prosecution

     Eventually your "wife" and "family " can be invited to join you  but until that happens  underage council estate girls are available for your delectation  I could go on but I feel physically sick

 

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

I am not prepared to waste my time  writing any more about this human detritus

Excellent, so no more corrections necessary. I just hope you'll stick to your promise, in spite of it being your favourite subject.

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Excellent, so no more corrections necessary. I just hope you'll stick to your promise, in spite of it being your favourite subject.

I have promised nothing 

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I have promised nothing 

A member called Bday Prang said,

"I've promised you nothing!" he pled.

In Surin he dwells,

Where the surah drink sells,

And corrections dance free in his head!

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

A member called Bday Prang said,

"I've promised you nothing!" he pled.

In Surin he dwells,

Where the surah drink sells,

And corrections dance free in his head!

What on earth are you talking about ,?  are you feeling OK.?