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Zelenskyy and Trump Move Toward Historic Ukraine Security Deal

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55 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Israel and Hamas.

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56 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Thailand and Cambodia

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  • Trump ha s  no idea what he is doing. He has the rain of a gnat and the morals of a rat. He will do a taco on the ukraine president as soon as he signs anything.

  • Putin hasn't agreed to any of this!

  • Trumps a moron, he’s after a Nobel Peace prize that’s all. He’ll sell out Ukraine to get it. You’ve must be living under a rock if you haven’t worked out everything he does is for his personal glory!

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28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Good. China should stop being an aggressive, revanchist power seeking to recapture its position in the world that last existed in medieval times.

 

China, with a civilisation that's over 32 times longer than the USA's...

13 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

I’m sure Russia will survive this war but its influence and economy will have been greatly diminished.

 

Im not sure they will. I havent researched this article yet, but its interesting.

 

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/russias-vanishing-workforce

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

China, with a civilisation that's over 32 times longer than the USA's...

So do you disagree with the fact that China is revanchist, aggressive and seeking to recapture its role in the world that last existed in medieval times?

 

What does the legnth of its civilization have to do with it? How much of their "civilization" have the Han claimed as their own? Ghengis Khan?

 

1 hour ago, connda said:

It may take two to tango, but Zelensky and Trump can make up peace agreements until the cows come home, but until those "peace agreements" align with Russian "red line" demands that Putin outlined in May 2024 (Ukraine demilitarization, respect for the ethnic Russian population including language and religion, neutrality of Ukraine as a nation, and acceptance that Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia are now part of Russia) then Russia will just continue the Special Military Operation. In April 2022 if Zelinsky had accepted the Istanbul Accords, then Ukraine would have given up a small section of the Donbass.  Now, as has been reiterated by the Russian President, if Ukraine wants to continue the fight, they will keep losing territory (Yeah I know - the Ukraine military is winning. Feel free to believe that fantasy - up to you). 
In 2022 Ukraine would have given up on part of the Donesk.  Now they will have to give up Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia as the citizens of those oblasts voted to join the Russian Federation.  If this continues Russia will no doubt gain Dnipropetrovsk, Sumy, Mykolaiv, and Odessa and then hold referendums to offer citizens in those oblasts the opportunity to join the Russian Federation. 

As much as pro-Ukraine proponents want to deny it, the reason this is happening is because of Ukraine oppression of ethnic Russians in Ukraine including outlawing the Russian language, Orthodox Russian religion, and ethnic Russia culture - and Russia just isn't going to allow that to happen. Secondly, was NATO's push to put its troops right on Russia's borders with Ukraine as a full member of NATO acting as its proxy spearhead to threaten the Russian Federation - and Russia isn't going to allow that to happen either.  Really, would the United States allow a Chinese, Russian, and Latin American military alliance to push right up the the US Southern border with Mexican troops amassing a military presence to threaten US sovereignty?  No, they would not. 

  OK but seems to me putin won't budge 1 cm until there's much much more violence and destruction on russia and it's cities, and putin has to accept he's really being destroyed and needs to give up territory / his goals. Until that happens putin will just play games and make statements of no value / meaning. Trump needs to be pushed out of this he's not helping ukraine one little bit.

Just now, scorecard said:

  OK but seems to me putin won't budge 1 cm until there's much much more violence and destruction on russia and it's cities, and putin has to accept he's really being destroyed and needs to give up territory / his goals.

 

Until that happens putin will just play games and make statements of no value / no meaning.

 

Trump needs to be pushed out of this he's not helping ukraine one little bit.

 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Putin hasn't agreed to any of this!

 

Sure and I hope this will push putin to be more afeeable all rounf, instead of just playing silly games.

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So Trump should just give up peace efforts?

He should give up partnering with Putin to try to force Ukraine to surrender, yes.

That's what he's been doing and it is DISGUSTING. 

Just now, scorecard said:

 

Sure and I hope this will push putin to be more afeeable all rounf, instead of just playing silly games.

Dream on!

10 minutes ago, scorecard said:

  OK but seems to me putin won't budge 1 cm until there's much much more violence and destruction on russia and it's cities, and putin has to accept he's really being destroyed and needs to give up territory / his goals.

 

Until that happens putin will just play games and make statements of no value / meaning.

 

Trump needs to be pushed out of this he's not helping ukraine one little bit.

 

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He should give up partnering with Putin to try to force Ukraine to surrender, yes.

That's what he's been doing and it is DISGUSTING. 

Is a million corpses due to the left ratchetting up the war also DISGUSTING?

20 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

 

This could be just what China is waiting for Chinese company’s and labour taking over.

Russians look down on Asians and dont trust the Chinese. Not going to happen.

4 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Which of the 8 wars he ended(which the democrats could even dream of ending) was the most triggering for the liberal hivemind? If he ends the Thai/Khymer war again that will be NINE

 

🤣😂

 

So every time a peace deal has been broken (IIRC, 3 times already between Thai-Cambo) and a new one is signed you count that as another ended war??:cheesy:

 

Besides, Grok AI) calls BS on your/trump's claim.

 

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22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So do you disagree with the fact that China is revanchist, aggressive and seeking to recapture its role in the world that last existed in medieval times?

 

China is all about maintaining the greatness of China as a nation and it's people. It has nothing to 'recapture' as it's already got the west on a leash with its vast resources, amazing technological advances and a huge, home-grown labour force. If its actions are aggressive, maybe that's because of the foreign aggressions it has suffered and the depredations it has endured over the centuries.

 

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What does the legnth of its civilization have to do with it? How much of their "civilization" have the Han claimed as their own? Ghengis Khan?

 

How many ruling or political dynasties has China had?

 

In the end, China has been there - done that and makes the t-shirts.

 

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Is a million corpses due to the left ratchetting up the war also DISGUSTING?

Was it worth fighting the Nazis in WW2?

Painting support for Ukraine over Russia as "lefty" is massively idiotic.

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Russians look down on Asians and dont trust the Chinese. Not going to happen.

 

They may not have much choice.

 

Russia's losses in Ukraine rise faster than ever, as US pushes for peace deal

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62n922dnw7o

42 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He should give up partnering with Putin to try to force Ukraine to surrender, yes.

That's what he's been doing and it is DISGUSTING. 

The world would be a better place if the United States, China, and Russia join in a mutually beneficial economic and security alliance. 

2 minutes ago, connda said:

The world would be a better place if the United States, China, and Russia join in a mutually beneficial economic and security alliance. 

That would be the end of the US but hey offer Trump a trillion dollars and I’m sure he would agree to it.

6 minutes ago, connda said:

The world would be a better place if the United States, China, and Russia join in a mutually beneficial economic and security alliance. 

Ridiculous and evil idea.

32 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

China is all about maintaining the greatness of China as a nation and it's people. It has nothing to 'recapture' as it's already got the west on a leash with its vast resources, amazing technological advances and a huge, home-grown labour force. If its actions are aggressive, maybe that's because of the foreign aggressions it has suffered and the depredations it has endured over the centuries.

Thanks for unwittingly admitting what I wrote.

8 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

That would be the end of the US but hey offer Trump a trillion dollars and I’m sure he would agree to it.

Actually an alliance with Russia makes geopolitical sense if Russia could ever finds its way to learning how to govern.

1 hour ago, brian69 said:

He may as well Putin is just playing Trump for the idiot he is.....:coffee1:

Russia is the one suffering LOL.  Europe doesnt want to settle, they want to bleed the Russians. We are getting paid for our arms, we are forcing Europe to rearm, we are weakening Russia, we will own whats left of Ukraine when its over, yep, Trump is getting played LOL

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So Trump should just give up peace efforts?

Yes he has produced nothing except continued reach arounds for putin with no thought given to Ukraine or the fact that russia is the invader.

 

He's pulled or hampered US help at every turn  and now that EU is steping up with pressure and help he's just trying to stay relevant and distract from all his other problems

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Actually an alliance with Russia makes geopolitical sense if Russia could ever finds its way to learning how to govern.

What would really make sense would be if all the countries in the world could get on with each other and there was no need for any military or weapons of any sort.

21 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

What would really make sense would be if all the countries in the world could get on with each other and there was no need for any military or weapons of any sort.

Well thats not going to happen LOL

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well thats not going to happen LOL

 

Maybe in a million years when we are all the same colour speak the same language and individual countries have ceased to exist.

6 hours ago, Brettoj said:

Trumps a moron, he’s after a Nobel Peace prize that’s all. He’ll sell out Ukraine to get it. You’ve must be living under a rock if you haven’t worked out everything he does is for his personal glory! The world would better if he stepped back and let the sane Europeans deal with it!

You don't get to be a Billionaire and the President of the USA, by being a moron.

Personal glory? Sure, like every leader ever—Obama got a Nobel for showing up, Biden's crew funneled billions to Ukraine with no endgame. Trump's deals actually deliver results, not endless proxy wars. And "let sane Europeans deal"? They've been dithering for years while Trump steps in with real leverage. The world was safer under his first term (no new wars started), and it's getting there again.

 

17 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

You don't get to be a Billionaire and the President of the USA, by being a moron.

Personal glory? Sure, like every leader ever—Obama got a Nobel for showing up, Biden's crew funneled billions to Ukraine with no endgame. Trump's deals actually deliver results, not endless proxy wars. And "let sane Europeans deal"? They've been dithering for years while Trump steps in with real leverage. The world was safer under his first term (no new wars started), and it's getting there again.

 

Indeed, you use the money dad gave you to become a high class salesman, which requires lying a lot. Also, you use all that money to impress the boot lickers.

You can also trek the store changing rooms to try and have another type of fiddle, no one will say anything because they are still swoooooning over the rich guy..........:wub:

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Thanks for unwittingly admitting what I wrote.

 

Not even remotely close to what you wrote, but you do you.

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