Im had food poisoning 5 or 6 times from restaurants but not from salted fish on the bbq stands. Is salted fish the safest to eat?

 

I eat a kg of mussels with lemon grass chilli sauce every week from a Buakhao market stall, freshly cooked, great, never ill, 70 baht bargain

Safest fish to eat is fish thats been caught in clean waters, not waters around pattaya

1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

I eat a kg of mussels with lemon grass chilli sauce every week from a Buakhao market stall, freshly cooked, great, never ill, 70 baht bargain

Yeah ok. Never been sick from mussels. Only prawns and fish. Thats a good idea.

With alot of seafood you can tell a lot by examining it, smelling it, looking at the color and knowing what to look for, so I might encourage people to check out a YouTube video or something that gives you an idea of how to determine how fresh the seafood is. With shrimp it's all about the smell and the color, with fish it's all about the clarity of the eyes and the skin tone under the gills, there are various telltale signs to determine whether or not seafood is fresh. 

 

I also look at how busy the seafood vendor is, how thoroughly the seafood is covered with ice, and things of that nature. And if you live in a seaside town there's always the possibility of getting seafood directly from the fisherman which is ideal. 

 

Eating seafood that's not fresh as we all know can be quite hazardous. 

20 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Im had food poisoning 5 or 6 times from restaurants but not from salted fish on the bbq stands. Is salted fish the safest to eat?

 

Not the fish but the restaurants you choose. I have never been ill from seafood in Thailand and have lived here 35 years. Most of our seafood is cooked at home, but this also includes restaurants we enjoy. 

The safest seafood to eat is:

None

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

With alot of seafood you can tell a lot by examining it, smelling it, looking at the color and knowing what to look for, so I might encourage people to check out a YouTube video or something that gives you an idea of how to determine how fresh the seafood is. With shrimp it's all about the smell and the color, with fish it's all about the clarity of the eyes and the skin tone under the gills, there are various telltale signs to determine whether or not seafood is fresh. 

 

I also look at how busy the seafood vendor is, how thoroughly the seafood is covered with ice, and things of that nature. And if you live in a seaside town there's always the possibility of getting seafood directly from the fisherman which is ideal. 

 

Eating seafood that's not fresh as we all know can be quite hazardous. 

I got sick in 2 posh restaurants. 

4 minutes ago, gargamon said:

The safest seafood to eat is:

None

One can make the same argument about beef and pork. If you only saw the conditions and the diet that they're exposed to you might think twice. 

The only time I have had food poisoning here was at a Thai BBQ restaurant. It was totally my fault. Somewhat drunk, I mixed up my cooked and uncooked squid.  That will do it for you!

AI says farmed stuff is safer than oceans but I think it was heat exposure that caused the problem.

If you don't live near the sea don't eat it?

I'll stick with hairy clam    and avoid overpriced shell fish,    especially  lobster, tasteless in my opinion

Should be common knowledge, best previously frozen, and cooked properly.   I actually try to buy as much food as possible frozen, especially meats, sea or land critters.

 

Or will freeze ourselves, and as an aside, got to have a freezer, as it cuts cost when stocking up on sale items.

 

Yesterday, FZ blueberries 189 vs 229, and smoked sausages 139 vs 199, so picked a couple of both up,  and sausages went in the freezer.   Same goes for almost half price discount items from the bakery.   The other day got butter croissants, egg tarts & Dubai chocolate cakes, into to freezer till ready to eat.

 

I think many would be surprised how much of the 'fresh' served up at market & restaurants, was previously frozen.  

 

Do need to be careful about 'in house' labeled frozen, as may simple be refrozen, thawed, sold as fresh, that didn't sell.   Something I suspect Makro might do, as bought ARO FZ Salmon, and it was firm as it should have been  🙄

 

Same with roast chickens sold by some chain markets.

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Should be common knowledge, best previously frozen, and cooked properly.   I actually try to buy as much food as possible frozen, especially meats, sea or land critters.

 

Or will freeze ourselves, and as an aside, got to have a freezer, as it cuts cost when stocking up on sale items.

 

Yesterday, FZ blueberries 189 vs 229, and smoked sausages 139 vs 199, so picked a couple of both up,  and sausages went in the freezer.   Same goes for almost half price discount items from the bakery.   The other day got butter croissants, egg tarts & Dubai chocolate cakes, into to freezer till ready to eat.

 

I think many would be surprised how much of the 'fresh' served up at market & restaurants, was previously frozen.  

 

Do need to be careful about 'in house' labeled frozen, as may simple be refrozen, thawed, sold as fresh, that didn't sell.   Something I suspect Makro might do, as bought ARO FZ Salmon, and it was firm as it should have been  🙄

 

Same with roast chickens sold by some chain markets.

But Im talking restaurants. Frozen berries taste nicer than fresh ones plus cheaper.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Safest seafood to eat

Well cooked.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Is salted fish the safest to eat?

Depends on if it’s dried properly or cooked well enough. Though overly salted foods in restaurants are indicators that they’re probably trying to hide something.

Just now, novacova said:

Well cooked.

Depends on if it’s dried properly or cooked well enough. Though overly salted foods in restaurants are indicators that they’re probably trying to hide something.

Cooking won't destroy bacteria if it was bad to start with.

 

Even after cooking, the toxins produced by bacteria during growth—such as those from Staphylococcus aureus or Clostridium perfringens—are not destroyed by heat and can still cause illness. Therefore, while cooking kills live bacteria, it cannot neutralize pre-formed toxins or spores that survive the cooking process.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

 

Even after cooking, the toxins produced by bacteria during growth—such as those from Staphylococcus aureus or Clostridium perfringens—are not destroyed by heat and can still cause illness. Therefore, while cooking kills live bacteria, it cannot neutralize pre-formed toxins or spores that survive the cooking process.

 

Why you need a healthy immune system.  Choosing wisely will only get you so far.  Luckily, in 25 yrs, only had 2 minor incidents, and not street food.  One simply cooking improperly, and the other was a buffet, freshly brought out from the kitchen, but at room temp, so could be multiple reasons for that one.   

 

Why I avoid buffets, and one of the reasons we don't opt for brekkies at hotels.

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

Why you need a healthy immune system.  Choosing wisely will only get you so far.  Luckily, in 25 yrs, only had 2 minor incidents, and not street food.  One simply cooking improperly, and the other was a buffet, freshly brought out from the kitchen, but at room temp, so could be multiple reasons for that one.   Why I avoid buffets, and don't opt for brekkies at hotels.

No issues with buffets

I eat only seafood bought straight from fresh morning markeds, and frozen seafood, and never farmed seafood. 

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I eat only seafood bought straight from fresh morning markeds, and frozen seafood, and never farmed seafood. 

 

A lot of the fresh seafood sold in TH is farmed.   We only buy frozen shrimp, and lately only farmed shrimp from Chile involves species like Penaeus vannamei (Whiteleg Shrimp), with a push for sustainable practices and antibiotic-free farming, as seen in expansion efforts by groups like the Sustainable Shrimp Partnership (SSP).  Talay brand @ Makro

 

Only buy FZ Norwegian Salmon, definitely farmed, but at a higher standard for most things and other locations.  Farmed is also fattier, so better source of Omega 3 content.

 

Definitely avoid any bottom feeders, and why shrimp may be better farmed, though steer away from shrimp farmed raise in TH.   Also not a fan of bottom trawling methods. 

 

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

A lot of the fresh seafood sold in TH is farmed.   We only buy frozen shrimp, and lately only farmed shrimp from Chile involves species like Penaeus vannamei (Whiteleg Shrimp), with a push for sustainable practices and antibiotic-free farming, as seen in expansion efforts by groups like the Sustainable Shrimp Partnership (SSP).  Talay brand @ Makro

 

Only buy FZ Norwegian Salmon, definitely farmed, but at a higher standard for most things and other locations.  Farmed is also fattier, so better source of Omega 3 content.

 

Definitely avoid any bottom feeders, and why shrimp may be better farmed, though steer away from shrimp farmed raise in TH.   Also not a fan of bottom trawling methods. 

 

 

Being a Norwegian, I only eat farmed fish 2-3 times a moth, and I really do not like to think about it. Try to buy whole frozen wild catches in Makro, never processed. Tuna filet is frozen one time only, so a good choice, but still should not eat more than one time a week either. 

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

One can make the same argument about beef and pork. If you only saw the conditions and the diet that they're exposed to you might think twice. 

I lived on a farm as a child and saw it up close. My concern with seafood is the microplastics and mercury.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/12/12/250438904/how-plastic-in-the-ocean-is-contaminating-your-seafood

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

 

A lot of the fresh seafood sold in TH is farmed.   We only buy frozen shrimp, and lately only farmed shrimp from Chile involves species like Penaeus vannamei (Whiteleg Shrimp), with a push for sustainable practices and antibiotic-free farming, as seen in expansion efforts by groups like the Sustainable Shrimp Partnership (SSP).  Talay brand @ Makro

 

Only buy FZ Norwegian Salmon, definitely farmed, but at a higher standard for most things and other locations.  Farmed is also fattier, so better source of Omega 3 content.

 

Definitely avoid any bottom feeders, and why shrimp may be better farmed, though steer away from shrimp farmed raise in TH.   Also not a fan of bottom trawling methods. 

 

There are a few suppliers in Thailand that deal in wild frozen fish which is infinitely healthier than farmed Thai fish. I will not eat salmon in Thailand as it's likely from a very toxic farm, and I do agree that eating frozen salmon from Norway is likely a better bet, though nothing compares to wild caught fish. 

 

Shrimp is dicey in Thailand as it either comes from a very toxic pond or from a very toxic river, and it's rare to find wild caught shrimp here. I have a friend who has her own pond and she raises shrimp without the use of chemicals or antibiotics. So we buy it from her by the kilo and freeze it. Squid is probably not the healthiest of seafood, but I think it's considered less toxic than farmed fish. Hopefully that's the case as I eat it often. 

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There are a few suppliers in Thailand that deal in wild frozen fish which is infinitely healthier than farmed Thai fish. I will not eat salmon in Thailand as it's likely from a very toxic farm, and I do agree that eating frozen salmon from Norway is likely a better bet, though nothing compares to wild caught fish. 

 

Shrimp is dicey in Thailand as it either comes from a very toxic pond or from a very toxic river, and it's rare to find wild caught shrimp here. I have a friend who has her own pond and she raises shrimp without the use of chemicals or antibiotics. So we buy it from her by the kilo and freeze it. Squid is probably not the healthiest of seafood, but I think it's considered less toxic than farmed fish. Hopefully that's the case as I eat it often. 

 

Fresh water shrimp, like warm water lobster, has no flavor compared to other species.

 

Salmon, that's a tough call, as farmed has more Omega 3, one of the healthy reason to eat it.  Besides, wild salmon isn't readily available or silly priced if one can find it in TH.

 

Agree, I wouldn't eat any farmed shrimp or fish here, though possible have.  

 

Norwegian salmon isn't farmed like fish in TH ...

 

... "Vast majority of Norwegian farmed salmon is still raised in open net-pens in the sea (fjords)," ...

 

The Talay brand,  Penaeus vannamei, or Pacific white shrimp, we buy is farmed from Chile, which they just into doing, should be of high standard, hopefully, from what I've read.

 

Bottom statemen ... healthier products or more profitable 👍

 

 

8 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

 

Even after cooking, the toxins produced by bacteria during growth—such as those from Staphylococcus aureus or Clostridium perfringens—are not destroyed by heat and can still cause illness. Therefore, while cooking kills live bacteria, it cannot neutralize pre-formed toxins or spores that survive the cooking process.

If you ate fresh seafood opposed yesterday’s leftovers then you wouldn’t have this problem. Personally have never been a victim of seafood-poisoning, though did get a couple cases of Moctezuma’s revenge in Mexico eating at up scale restaurants, though the street food there is much safer so it seems, and never had a problem eating anything here at any venue except for cooks counterfeiting properly prepared menu items.

You are on shaky ground these days with sea food in general. The waters most sea food are caught in simply aren't clean and full of all kinds of toxic stuff... deep sea stuff might be a better bet or stuff caught in Artic or Antartic waters might be cleaner in general, but the bigger the sea creature, then the more likely it has heavy metals in it. Sadly, few people fully understand the amounts of toxic crap that gets dumped in the ocean all the time each year... it's way disturbing really.

10 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

I got sick in 2 posh restaurants. 

How far away from the sea were they?

13 minutes ago, Stocky said:

How far away from the sea were they?

Bangkok and Isaan. I got sick in Lanta right next to the sea too. I think the stuff was outside the freezer too long.

 

Don't think location matters if frozen properly.