4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting that it's been those and the left screaming murder and the officer wasn't hit by the car and the woman wasn't doing anything wrong isn't it. I would like those on this forum to now say they were wrong. The car hit him (video evidence), she was breaking the law (video evidence) and it will be argued that the officer reacted in self-defence. Over-reaction? Yes, IMO but within the law. It was clearly NOT murder.

I saw something different, I saw him lean over the windshield from the side and shoot through the windshield.

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The thief is in the store and the goods are secreted around his person and he's heading to the exit....

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

19 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Noem was wrong in saying this. What she was was a radicalised leftie who thought it was a good idea to impeded a federal investigation, not get out of her car when lawfully instructed to do so and drive away into a federal agent.

I thought she was a mother of 3 ,who was given conflicting instructions on what to do,

and was an American citizen who was murdered by an untrained ICE Gestapo agent .

regards worgeordie

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

I saw something different, I saw him lean over the windshield from the side and shoot through the windshield.

Did you???? Try looking at the above vid I posted which clearly shows her driving into him, clearly shows her parked across the road to impede ICE and clearly shows her disobeying a lawful order. Also please post the vid that you are referencing that shows him "lean over the windshield from the side and shoot through the windshield.".

17 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

Who's three children you on about?

She had 3 Children , now you know

regards Worgeordie

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

When faced with unfavorable facts, you fold. So contracts & international law means nothing, along with loss lawsuits, ignoring judgements against Venezuela to pay

Come back when you want to have an intelligent conversation, about right & wrong.

International law is quite clear; the oil belongs to Venezuela. However, it is true to say they haven't paid full compensation for nationalising their oil reserves (which was perfectly legal).

Legal Framework

• Constitutional Ownership: Venezuela’s 1999 Constitution declares that all hydrocarbons (oil and gas) are the property of the nation.

• PDVSA Control: PDVSA, the state oil company, manages exploration, production, refining, and export. It acts as the legal custodian of Venezuela’s oil wealth.

• Expropriations: In the 2000s, President Hugo Chávez nationalized and expropriated assets from foreign oil companies, consolidating PDVSA’s control.

• Foreign Participation: International oil companies may operate in Venezuela only through joint ventures with PDVSA, and under strict state oversight.

1 minute ago, worgeordie said:

I thought she was a mother of 3 ,who was given conflicting instructions on what to do,

and was an American citizen who was murdered by an untrained ICE Gestapo agent .

regards worgeordie

Indeed a mother a three who was in a lesbian marriage. Both activists. I can't see how "get out of the car" a lawful order is in anyway conflicting. If an officer of the law says get out of your car you get out. Simple. You don't drive off.

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Did you???? Try looking at the above vid I posted which clearly shows her driving into him, clearly shows her parked across the road to impede ICE and clearly shows her disobeying a lawful order. Also please post the vid that you are referencing that shows him "lean over the windshield from the side and shoot through the windshield.".

The video is below complete with an analysis from an organisation who are now EXTREMELY CAREFUL not to get anything wrong where Trump is concerned. Watch it!

How the ICE shooting in Minneapolis unfolded

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You selectively left out the part, where negotiations were agreed upon, then ignored, payment in the billions of $$$ of compensation not paid to US oil firms. International lawsuits won by US oil firms, but judgements ignored.

No I didn't, I did say "it is true to say they haven't paid full compensation for nationalising their oil reserves"

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The video is below complete with an analysis from an organisation who are now EXTREMELY CAREFUL not to get anything wrong where Trump is concerned. Watch it!

How the ICE shooting in Minneapolis unfolded

This was the 1st video released. Try watching the others (posted on here) for different views. If you are biased you will see what you want to see. If you view them with a rational eye you can clearly see she is obstructing ICE, disobeyed a lawful order and drove off hitting the officer. I can't see how, from the videos, this can now be disputed.

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Indeed a mother a three who was in a lesbian marriage. Both activists. I can't see how "get out of the car" a lawful order is in anyway conflicting. If an officer of the law says get out of your car you get out. Simple. You don't drive off.

So you say kill all lesbians , Mr Dinsdale , ,one Gestapo agent was saying get out of your truck ,

another said move away ...It's a good thing people are standing up to these untrained Gasgapo

thugs , who think they can get away with anything, DJT will use the same thugs to disrupt the

midterm elections ,because he knows he is going to lose BIG ....Democracy is dying in the USA.

regards Worgeordie

Just now, dinsdale said:

This was the 1st video released. Try watching the others (posted on here) for different views. If you are biased you will see what you want to see. If you view them with a rational eye you can clearly see she is obstructing ICE, disobeyed a lawful order and drove off hitting the officer. I can't see how, from the videos, this can now be disputed.

I have reviewed them all, as has the BBC, it's possible the agent may have been caught a slightly glancing blow, but from his bodycam it's also clear he saw her turn the wheels away and try to flee.

BBC are correct in saying there was no intention to hurt the agent, the intention was to flee.

He overreacted and it was an unlawful killing with mitigating circumstances.

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

No I didn't, I did say "it is true to say they haven't paid full compensation for nationalising their oil reserves"

OK, but that's a bit sugar coated. What they didn't pay is enough to run some countries' national budget for decades.

You did ask ... "How much needs to be stolen before it’s a crime?'

2 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

So you say kill all lesbians , Mr Dinsdale , ,one Gestapo agent was saying get out of your truck ,

Don't be absurd. She was in a lesbian marriage. As for being told to exit your vehicle from an officer of the law to not do so is an offence. You can keep going with the radical left rhetoric but the fact is this woman with her wife chose to obstruct and impede federal officers. She also chose to drive off rather than get out of the car. All she had to do was comply with the order to get out of the car and she'd be alive today and this thread wouldn't exist.

10 hours ago, CygnusX1 said:

It’s not a question of whether a Harris administration would have been good for the US, the question is, would it have been as catastrophic as the insane Trump administration. Had I been a US citizen, I would have held my nose and voted for Harris, said so at the time. Therefore, I’m a ‘lefty’ according to your statement. In the last election in Australia, I voted for the (more conservative) coalition for the House of Reps, and One Nation (regarded by leftists as extreme right wing) for the Senate. Some ‘lefty’.

What has the Trump administration done that you believe is "catastrophic"?

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

OK, but that's a bit sugar coated. What they didn't pay is enough to run some countries' national budget for decades.

You did ask ... "How much needs to be stolen before it’s a crime?'

It wasn't stolen, it was a legal takeover.

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If you are biased you will see what you want to see. If you view them with a rational eye you can clearly see

Why don't you take your own advice and use a rational and unblinkered eye(s) if you have one!

16 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I have reviewed them all, as has the BBC, it's possible the agent may have been caught a slightly glancing blow, but from his bodycam it's also clear he saw her turn the wheels away and try to flee.

BBC are correct in saying there was no intention to hurt the agent, the intention was to flee.

He overreacted and it was an unlawful killing with mitigating circumstances.

She may or may not have been trying to hit the officer with her vehicle, but either way, it was assault, and she was fleeing a crime scene, which is a crime.

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

He overreacted and it was an unlawful killing with mitigating circumstances.

Overreacted? I agree. Unlawful? The use of deadly force is warranted if the officer believes serious injury or death to themselves or fellow officers whilst carrying out official duties would justify the use of deadly force. This isn't opinion it's law and is what will be argued. She drove into him.

7 hours ago, dinsdale said:

A lefty these days is usually a virtue signaling woke person. I consider myself left of centre as for some examples I believe in abortion rights, drug legalisation/decrimilisation, collective bargaining, universal healthcare, social security etc. but I hate everything woke and I'm against the death penalty, mass immigration, the ridiculous being allowed to steal anything as long as it's under a certain amount and the whole woke/activist judicial system . Having said this you are calling anyone who's against the woke virtue signaling progressive left the "MAGA crowd".

You believed your lying hero Trump, he has been buried, as well as you........

4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Why don't you take your own advice and use a rational and unblinkered eye(s) if you have one!

So you didn't look at all angles available including footage from the officer then?

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

She may or may not have been trying to hit the officer with her vehicle, but either way, it was assault, and she was fleeing a crime scene, which is a crime.

To be murdered for, in your opinion.........? 🤫

Every day on TV there are videos of USA police pursuits, waaaay more serious than this case where nobody dies.....🙄

ICE is Trumps SS, there are people out there who relish the job, the same as Hitler's crew, WE saw it on television...😒

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Interesting that it's been those and the left screaming murder and the officer wasn't hit by the car and the woman wasn't doing anything wrong isn't it. I would like those on this forum to now say they were wrong. The car hit him (video evidence), she was breaking the law (video evidence) and it will be argued that the officer reacted in self-defence. Over-reaction? Yes, IMO but within the law. It was clearly NOT murder.

I’m sure you would like others on this forum to say lots of things.

That’s not how discussions work.

The agent wasn’t rammed.

The vile language he used is an insight into his state of mind.

If you think ICE shooting a mother in the face is something that has only outraged the left you’re unfit a rough 2026.

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

So you didn't look at all angles available including footage from the officer then?

Well, you certainly haven't, you're just a Trump cover up groupe....😒

TRUMP lied................🙄

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

You are catching on to what discussion forums are about.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

When faced with unfavorable facts, you fold. So contracts & international law means nothing, along with loss lawsuits, ignoring judgements against Venezuela to pay

Come back when you want to have an intelligent conversation, about right & wrong.

Comeback when you have a contract that states ‘the oil belongs to anyone other than Venezuela’.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure you would like others on this forum to say lots of things.

That’s not how discussions work.

The agent wasn’t rammed.

The vile language he used is an insight into his state of mind.

If you think ICE shooting a mother in the face is something that has only outraged the left you’re unfit a rough 2026.

Amazing. There are now two videos that show she him with the car.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure you would like others on this forum to say lots of things.

That’s not how discussions work.

The agent wasn’t rammed.

The vile language he used is an insight into his state of mind.

If you think ICE shooting a mother in the face is something that has only outraged the left you’re unfit a rough 2026.

What vile language did he use?

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Did you???? Try looking at the above vid I posted which clearly shows her driving into him, clearly shows her parked across the road to impede ICE and clearly shows her disobeying a lawful order. Also please post the vid that you are referencing that shows him "lean over the windshield from the side and shoot through the windshield.".

What about the foul language from the ICE agents?

Do you expect women to hang around and put up with that?

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Amazing. There are now two videos that show she him with the car.

Oh.