“If someone is able to make the argument that she was trying to hit him, he feared for his life, and all he could do was shoot…then sure, he can justify it that way. 
But I think when you look at it a little bit more, it's … very problematic for him,” the agent said.

https://time.com/7345954/ice-agents-renee-good/

Holy smokes. ICE is as unpopular as Donald Trump!

The Super-Gov speaks the truth!👏

1 hour ago, Real Name Hidden said:

“If someone is able to make the argument that she was trying to hit him, he feared for his life, and all he could do was shoot…then sure, he can justify it that way. 
But I think when you look at it a little bit more, it's … very problematic for him,” the agent said.

https://time.com/7345954/ice-agents-renee-good/

Again - in the time it took him to draw his pistol, drop into a shooting stance, aim, and fire off three rounds, he could have stepped back well away from the path of the SVU. If he was hit, it's probably his own fault considering that after blowing holes in her cranium, her body probably convulsed and froze jamming her foot onto the accelerator and then into the murderous and moronic ICE agent.

20 minutes ago, connda said:

Again - in the time it took him to draw his pistol, drop into a shooting stance, aim, and fire off three rounds, he could have stepped back well away from the path of the SVU. If he was hit, it's probably his own fault considering that after blowing holes in her cranium, her body probably convulsed and froze jamming her foot onto the accelerator and then into the murderous and moronic ICE agent.

Actually he fired three shots and at least two of them were from the side. She was hit all three times.

27 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Actually he fired three shots and at least two of them were from the side. She was hit all three times.

Four times actually. It worked, she didnt kill him with her car. I cant wait for her "wife" to be indicted.

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Four times actually. It worked, she didnt kill him with her car. I cant wait for her "wife" to be indicted.

Four times? Inventing much?

As for "it worked"? Ever hear of the logical fallacy "post hoc ergo propter hoc" which translates to "after this therefore because of this".You should get acquainted with it.

As for predicting her wife's indictment, you have a sorry history when it comes to predicting indictments.

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Four times? Inventing much?

What? You are defending the ICE agent LOL.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15469439/Renee-Good-final-moments-wounds-ICE.html

Now you can screech scream about her being shot 4 times. SHE WAS SHOT 4 TIMES WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Better check the Law. Only the first shot counts.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

What? You are defending the ICE agent LOL.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15469439/Renee-Good-final-moments-wounds-ICE.html

Now you can screech scream about her being shot 4 times. SHE WAS SHOT 4 TIMES WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Better check the Law. Only the first shot counts.

From Gemini AI

". Number of Shots Fired

According to video analysis (including footage from the agent's phone and bystanders), the ICE agent, Jonathan Ross, fired three shots in rapid succession (under one second) as the vehicle was moving.

Shot 1: Fired through the front windshield.

Shots 2 & 3: Fired through the driver’s side window as the vehicle passed the agent.

2. Number of Gunshot Wounds

While three shots were fired, the Minneapolis Fire Department incident report (released on January 16, 2026) documented that Renee Good sustained four gunshot wounds:

Two wounds to her right chest.

One wound to her left forearm.

One wound to the left side of her head.

The discrepancy between the number of "shots fired" and "wounds found" can sometimes occur if a single bullet creates both an entry and an exit wound (re-entry), or if a bullet fragments."

Despite which, I do want to acknowledge the impressive intellectual effort it must have taken you to produce "WÀAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÀAAAA."

I hope I got the number of "A'"s right. I don't want to misrepresent in any way the intellectual force of this potent argument.

As for only the first shot counts in a case of alleged self-defense, really?

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

As for only the first shot counts in a case of alleged self-defense, really?

I suggest you look up the law. Use AI because I doubt you know how to do legal research

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I suggest you look up the law. Use AI because I doubt you know how to do legal research

From chatgpt:

The real legal standard

Self-defense is judged by whether each use of force was reasonable and necessary at the time it was used.

That means:

The first shot doesn’t automatically “count” as justified

Later shots are not automatically illegal

Every shot can be evaluated separately

What matters is whether the threat was still imminent when each shot was fired.

From Gemini AI

In the eyes of the law and forensic science, the idea that "only the first shot counts" is a misconception. Self-defense is not judged by a single moment, but by the entirety of the encounter.

Whether you fire one shot or several, each pull of the trigger must be legally "justified" based on the threat present at that exact micro-second.

Today is really not your day.

25 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Today is really not your day.

Better read some cases LOL.

Every day I respond to you is my day, because not a day goes by when you have anything

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Better read some cases LOL.

Every day I respond to you is my day, because not a day goes by when you have anything

I did exactly as you requested and the results contradicted your claim. Now you claim that out there somewhere there's evidence to support your claim but you fail to produce it. Instead, you offer a lame insult which is clearly contradicted by the results of the inquiry the criterion of which you stipulated. Hoist by your own petard, much? It is to laugh.

8 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

From Gemini AI

". Number of Shots Fired

According to video analysis (including footage from the agent's phone and bystanders), the ICE agent, Jonathan Ross, fired three shots in rapid succession (under one second) as the vehicle was moving.

Shot 1: Fired through the front windshield.

Shots 2 & 3: Fired through the driver’s side window as the vehicle passed the agent.

2. Number of Gunshot Wounds

While three shots were fired, the Minneapolis Fire Department incident report (released on January 16, 2026) documented that Renee Good sustained four gunshot wounds:

Two wounds to her right chest.

One wound to her left forearm.

One wound to the left side of her head.

The discrepancy between the number of "shots fired" and "wounds found" can sometimes occur if a single bullet creates both an entry and an exit wound (re-entry), or if a bullet fragments."

Despite which, I do want to acknowledge the impressive intellectual effort it must have taken you to produce "WÀAAÀAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAÀAAAA."

I hope I got the number of "A'"s right. I don't want to misrepresent in any way the intellectual force of this potent argument.

As for only the first shot counts in a case of alleged self-defense, really?

1. They were following and harassing ICE all day.

2. She parked her car perpendicular across the road to block ICE agents.

3. She ignored a lawful order to exit her car.

4. Her wife told her to "drive baby drive".

5. She accelerated forward striking the officer thus weaponising her car.

6. The ICE officer responded with lethal force.

13 hours ago, connda said:

If he was hit, it's probably his own fault considering that after blowing holes in her cranium, her body probably convulsed and froze jamming her foot onto the accelerator and then into the murderous and moronic ICE agent.

If he was hit ? So he shot then she hit him ?

Cool story bro.

7 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I did exactly as you requested and the results contradicted your claim. Now you claim that out there somewhere there's evidence to support your claim but you fail to produce it. Instead, you offer a lame insult which is clearly contradicted by the results of the inquiry the criterion of which you stipulated. Hoist by your own petard, much? It is to laugh.

Guess you have nothing

17 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Guess you have nothing

When the results of a method you suggested comes up with results you find contradicting what you, that amounts to nothing?

Troll post removed @Yagodastop using an imaginary condition to troll.

And

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The ICE officer sustained a bruise, ie "internal bleeding".

ICE more than doubled their personnel and cut training in half.

From the article:

“I’m embarrassed,” one former ICE agent with more than 25 years of experience told TIME. “The majority of my colleagues feel the same way. It’s an insult to us, because we did it the right way to see what they’re doing now.”

The Congressman is right. This wannabe Gestapo organization needs to be abolished and all instances of brutality and other criminal behaviour need to be by the real police.

The DHS deleted this tweet. What a bunch of c***s.

So, according to witnesses ICE have got separate holding cells for US citizens, people they have no right detaining in the first place.

Welcome to the Turd Reich.

If the US survives the Trump 2.0 nazification attempt there must be a reckoning for those responsible, and it must be severe enough so that any wannabe fascists think twice before trying what is happening now.

Well, who would have thought?!

'Border Patrol chief was 'outright lying' about previous ICE surge'

https://www.fox9.com/news/border-patrol-chief-was-outright-lying-about-previous-ice-surge?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook

"The FOX 9 Investigators reviewed hours of depositions, body camera footage and court filings which involve Border Patrol Chief Gregory Bovino’s conduct and leadership during Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago last fall.

As part of a civil lawsuit filed against DHS, Bovino was questioned under oath during which Judge Sara Ellis described him as "not credible."

"Bovino appeared evasive over the three days of his deposition, either providing ‘cute’ responses… or outright lying," Judge Ellis said in her written ruling in November."

ICE is de facto a domestic terror organization.