January 30Jan 30 Israeli media report that a senior security source has said the military accepts that more than 70,000 Palestinians have been killed during the war in Gaza.Israel has previously cast doubt on figures from the Hamas-run health ministry.But their figures have been deemed reliable by the UN and other human rights groups and widely cited by international media.Israel has always disputed the Hamas figures and said before last year's ceasefire it had killed 1,600 fighters since 7 October 2023 and another 22,000 combatants in the war.Now a senior military source has indicated to Israeli journalists, including those from Haaretz and the Times of Israel, external, that the total number given by the Hamas health ministry is largely accurate, even though they have not been able to break down how many were combatants and how many died as a direct result of the fighting.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgpd1x00exo
January 30Jan 30 Yet all the sanctions or cheap gas and oil embargos, are against Iran and Russia. Interesting.
January 30Jan 30 Popular Post A low civilian casualty figure for a 2 year war .Well done to Israel for keeping the civilian casualties so low
January 30Jan 30 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:A low civilian casualty figure for a 2 year war .Well done to Israel for keeping the civilian casualties so lowNotice they dont have a breakdown of combatants vs non combatants
January 31Jan 31 16 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:You do talk some rubbish sometimes. Most of those 70,000 were civilians. That is normal in wars The civilian / Hamas ratio was about 4 to1 4 civilians to 1 enemy combatant killed in the Gaza war .The usual rate is much higher, often closer to 10 to 1 .10 civiliins to 1 enemy combatant Israel kept the civilian deaths to low
January 31Jan 31 1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:More nonsense. No it isn't nonsense .You just cannot handle the truth
January 31Jan 31 From AI (I know you love AI)Yes. The civilian death rate in Gaza is exceptionally high compared to most modern conflicts. Independent investigations and official data indicate that between 70–83% of those killed are civilians, a proportion far above typical wartime averages.📊 Civilian Death Rate in Gaza (2023–2026)Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.Gaza Health Ministry & UN sources (2026): ~80% of Palestinians killed were civilians, including over 20,000 children.Academic analysis (2025): More than 10% of Gaza’s population has been killed or seriously injured since October 2023, with destruction of infrastructure causing indirect civilian deaths from lack of food, water, and healthcareConflictCivilian Death ShareNotesGaza (2023–2026)70–83%Extremely high, includes large numbers of women and childrenIraq War (2003–2011)~60–65%Civilian casualties significant but lower proportionAfghanistan War (2001–2021)~40–50%Civilian deaths mostly from airstrikes and insurgent attacksBosnian War (1992–1995)~50–55%Ethnic cleansing and siege warfare contributedWorld War II (global)~50%Civilian deaths from bombings, genocide, famine👉 Gaza’s civilian death rate is exceptional, exceeding even conflicts notorious for high civilian tolls.
January 31Jan 31 3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:From AI (I know you love AI)Yes. The civilian death rate in Gaza is exceptionally high compared to most modern conflicts. Independent investigations and official data indicate that between 70–83% of those killed are civilians, a proportion far above typical wartime averages.📊 Civilian Death Rate in Gaza (2023–2026)Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.Gaza Health Ministry & UN sources (2026): ~80% of Palestinians killed were civilians, including over 20,000 children.Academic analysis (2025): More than 10% of Gaza’s population has been killed or seriously injured since October 2023, with destruction of infrastructure causing indirect civilian deaths from lack of food, water, and healthcareConflictCivilian Death ShareNotesGaza (2023–2026)70–83%Extremely high, includes large numbers of women and childrenIraq War (2003–2011)~60–65%Civilian casualties significant but lower proportionAfghanistan War (2001–2021)~40–50%Civilian deaths mostly from airstrikes and insurgent attacksBosnian War (1992–1995)~50–55%Ethnic cleansing and siege warfare contributedWorld War II (global)~50%Civilian deaths from bombings, genocide, famine👉 Gaza’s civilian death rate is exceptional, exceeding even conflicts notorious for high civilian tolls. ^^Hamas figures .Unreliable .
January 31Jan 31 Shame on Israel. Natenyahu has joined the extremists and now there is virtually no hope for peace in that region. Most Jews around the world disagree with their policies. I find them atrocious and very racist. Israel cannot expect the violence to stop, until they develop a reasonable and humane approach. The one thing you can always count on with Israeli politicians, is that they are incapable of learning. Just apply more and more violence. That will fix things. There really is no logical reason that one can come up with to defend Hamas. They are a terrorist organization after all and they do engage in terror. I was not referring to the defense of Hamas. I was referring to the criticism of Israel and believe me as an American Jew I take a lot of flack for criticizing Israeli government policy, and that goes back 40 years, and that's a fact. The Israeli lobby, the Israeli government, and many Jews and Christians are highly intolerant of any criticism of Israel. Any. Period. They are obsessed with the old testament an eye for an eye. And this way Netan can pander even more to his extremist supporters, who possess enough hatred in their hearts for the entire nation. The events leading up to the election of Hamas must be considered. On both sides. It was in January 2006 that the Palestinian territories held what turned out to be their last parliamentary elections. Hamas won a bare plurality of votes (44 percent to the more moderate Fatah party’s 41 percent) but, given the electoral system, a strong majority of seats (74 to 45). Neither party was keen on sharing power. Fighting broke out between the two. When a unity government was finally formed in June 2007, Hamas broke the deal, started murdering Fatah members, and, in the end, took total control of the Gaza Strip. Those who weren’t killed fled to the West Bank, and the territories have remained split ever since. In other words, Hamas’ absolute rule of Gaza is not what the Palestinians voted for back in 2006. In fact, since the median age of Gazans is 18, half of Hamas’ subjects weren’t even born when the election took place. Bush entered his second term, in January 2005, convinced that his mission was to spread democracy around the world. He assumed that democracy was the natural state of humanity: Once a dictator was toppled and the people could vote for leaders in elections, freedom and liberty would bloom forth. Around this time, Israel was withdrawing from the Gaza Strip—not just pulling out troops, but evicting some 8,000 Jewish settlers (most of whom were paid to resettle in the West Bank). Suddenly there was a vacuum of local authority. Bush thought democracy would fill a vacuum, so he urged the Palestinian Authority to hold parliamentary elections. One problem, though: Radical parties—notably Hamas and Islamic Jihad, which had boycotted the 2005 presidential election—decided to compete in the 2006 parliamentary contests. Sharansky wrote an open letter to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon denouncing the disengagement as a “tragic mistake” and arguing that “any concessions in the peace process must be linked to democratic reforms within Palestinian society.” Sharon disagreed (he just wanted to be done with Gaza), and so did Bush, who’d been so persuaded by the first part of Sharansky’s democratic sermon that he ignored this crucial second part. But the election that put Hamas in power was not inevitable; it was premature. Israel and the leaders of the neighboring Sunni Arab nations, who inveighed lavish rhetorical support for the Palestinians but did very little to back it up, could have done more to help build the elements of a civil society and negotiate a peace. But ultimately, they didn’t want to. Elections only tightened the bonds of conflict and lent it a veneer of legitimacy. Hamas’ murderous assault on Oct. 7, the subsequent escalation of violence, and the possibility of a widening war—these are the latest and most bitter fruits of the elections’ legacy. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/was-hamas-elected-to-govern-gaza-george-w-bush-2006-palestinian-election.htmlHamas came to power in Gaza before Netanyahu via dodgy elections. You may want to look a Bush's role in this.
January 31Jan 31 Just now, JBChiangRai said:555I deeted it .13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:From AI (I know you love AI)Yes. The civilian death rate in Gaza is exceptionally high compared to most modern conflicts. Independent investigations and official data indicate that between 70–83% of those killed are civilians, a proportion far above typical wartime averages.📊 Civilian Death Rate in Gaza (2023–2026)Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.Gaza Health Ministry & UN sources (2026): ~80% of Palestinians killed were civilians, including over 20,000 children.Academic analysis (2025): More than 10% of Gaza’s population has been killed or seriously injured since October 2023, with destruction of infrastructure causing indirect civilian deaths from lack of food, water, and healthcareConflictCivilian Death ShareNotesGaza (2023–2026)70–83%Extremely high, includes large numbers of women and childrenIraq War (2003–2011)~60–65%Civilian casualties significant but lower proportionAfghanistan War (2001–2021)~40–50%Civilian deaths mostly from airstrikes and insurgent attacksBosnian War (1992–1995)~50–55%Ethnic cleansing and siege warfare contributedWorld War II (global)~50%Civilian deaths from bombings, genocide, famine👉 Gaza’s civilian death rate is exceptional, exceeding even conflicts notorious for high civilian tolls. You deleted the Persian gulf war .Deleted facts to "prove' your wrong point .That is cheating and deceptive Persian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Gaza War (2023–Present): Estimates of civilian deaths are roughly 80% (approx. 4:1 ratio).World War II: Civilians constituted roughly 60–67% of total deaths, with wide variation between Allied (16–30%) and Axis (65%+) powers.Vietnam War: Estimated at 46–67% civilian deaths.Persian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Bosnian War: Estimated at 40% civilian deaths.
January 31Jan 31 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:I deeted it .You deleted the Persian gulf war .Deleted facts to "prove' your wrong point .That is cheating and deceptivePersian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Gaza War (2023–Present): Estimates of civilian deaths are roughly 80% (approx. 4:1 ratio).World War II: Civilians constituted roughly 60–67% of total deaths, with wide variation between Allied (16–30%) and Axis (65%+) powers.Vietnam War: Estimated at 46–67% civilian deaths.Persian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Bosnian War: Estimated at 40% civilian deaths. You lost this argument the moment you posted the civilian death rate was low.Research next time.
January 31Jan 31 Just now, JBChiangRai said:You lost this argument the moment you posted the civilian death rate was low.Research next time.You deleted the Persian gulf war .Deleted facts to "prove' your wrong point .That is cheating and deceptivePersian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Gaza War (2023–Present): Estimates of civilian deaths are roughly 80% (approx. 4:1 ratio).World War II: Civilians constituted roughly 60–67% of total deaths, with wide variation between Allied (16–30%) and Axis (65%+) powers.Vietnam War: Estimated at 46–67% civilian deaths.Persian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Bosnian War: Estimated at 40% civilian deaths.
January 31Jan 31 5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:You deleted the Persian gulf war .Deleted facts to "prove' your wrong point .That is cheating and deceptivePersian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Gaza War (2023–Present): Estimates of civilian deaths are roughly 80% (approx. 4:1 ratio).World War II: Civilians constituted roughly 60–67% of total deaths, with wide variation between Allied (16–30%) and Axis (65%+) powers.Vietnam War: Estimated at 46–67% civilian deaths.Persian Gulf War: Estimated at 87–88% civilian deaths.Bosnian War: Estimated at 40% civilian deaths. Once again you are wrong, I deleted nothing and again you like a TwIT
January 31Jan 31 1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:You do talk some rubbish sometimes. Most of those 70,000 were civilians.Your definition of a civilian appears to be rather generous.The people who worked in logistics, command and control, intelligence , administration and propaganda, were typically "civilians". If the IDF neutralized a bunker and these "civilians" were in it, they would most likely be casualties. Same for when a munitions van was eliminated, or when a tunnel was blown, or when a command & control or munitions depot was neutralized. If the Hamas leadership conceals a missile launch site in a residential building courtyard, it is expect that there will be civilian casualties when the missile site is taken offline.
January 31Jan 31 37 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:OK so don't take the HAMAS figures take the leaked Israeli military figuresTHEY ARE EVEN HIGHER Really ?What the the Hamas figures for Hamas deaths ?How many Hamas were killed in the Gaza war ?Those are the figures that I am stating are unreliable
January 31Jan 31 Popular Post 53 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:Your definition of a civilian appears to be rather generous.The people who worked in logistics, command and control, intelligence , administration and propaganda, were typically "civilians". If the IDF neutralized a bunker and these "civilians" were in it, they would most likely be casualties. Same for when a munitions van was eliminated, or when a tunnel was blown, or when a command & control or munitions depot was neutralized. If the Hamas leadership conceals a missile launch site in a residential building courtyard, it is expect that there will be civilian casualties when the missile site is taken offline.51 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Really ?What the the Hamas figures for Hamas deaths ?How many Hamas were killed in the Gaza war ?Those are the figures that I am stating are unreliableI prefer to use Israel's own figures.Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.
January 31Jan 31 2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:I prefer to use Israel's own figures.Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.Those were not Israels figures .But, you go ahead believing those figures
January 31Jan 31 48 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:I prefer to use Israel's own figures.Israeli military intelligence (leaked data, 2025): ~83% of Gaza war deaths were civilians.I was unaware that you had a source in the Israeli intelligence service. Claiming it is an intelligence leak is not much of an indication of reliability. How about something more substantive, please.
January 31Jan 31 43 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Those were not Israels figures .But, you go ahead believing those figuresSo the figures leaked from Israel’s military aren’t Israel’s. Whose are they then? The pink fairies at the bottom of the garden?
January 31Jan 31 1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:I was unaware that you had a source in the Israeli intelligence service. Claiming it is an intelligence leak is not much of an indication of reliability. How about something more substantive, please.Weak!Must do better 1/10
January 31Jan 31 52 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:So the figures leaked from Israel’s military aren’t Israel’s.Whose are they then? The pink fairies at the bottom of the garden? It was discussed in the thread about it at the time .I seem to recall that Israel named the known terrorists they killed . Your side used those figures to claim that everyone else killed were innnocent women and children . They didnt take into considertion that many of those Israel killed were also terrorists , it was just that Israel didn't know their names .
January 31Jan 31 26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:You’re excelling with nonsense today.Where is this leak information? In August 2025, Israel said that it had identified 8900 militants who had been neutralized. The Guardian and others then ran off to exclaim that all of the other deaths must therefore be civilian casualties. What it does mean is that the other casualties were not identified by Israel. How about showing where Israel offers a civilian casualty count.
January 31Jan 31 1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:Where is this leak information? In August 2025, Israel said that it had identified 8900 militants who had been neutralized. The Guardian and others then ran off to exclaim that all of the other deaths must therefore be civilian casualties. What it does mean is that the other casualties were not identified by Israel. How about showing where Israel offers a civilian casualty count.Israeli data shows 83 percent of Gaza war dead are civilians: Report | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al JazeeraA classified Israeli military database shows the vast majority of Palestinians killed in Gaza are civilians, according to a joint investigation by The Guardian, +972 Magazine, and Local Call.Conflict researchers say that ratio is almost unparalleled in modern warfare. Only the Rwandan genocide, the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, and Russia’s 2022 siege of Mariupol recorded a higher civilian death rate, the authors noted.Rights groups and genocide scholars argue the findings further support claims that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, pointing to mass civilian deaths alongside deliberate starvation.
January 31Jan 31 Bickering and troll posts and responses remove. If you would like to keep it up, I can also arrange a AseanNow vacation break to give you time to settle down. That means you - @JBChiangRai@Nick Carter icp Tone it down as well. Don't encourage it - walk away or report it.
January 31Jan 31 18 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:Israeli data shows 83 percent of Gaza war dead are civilians: Report | Israel-Palestine conflict News | Al JazeeraA classified Israeli military database shows the vast majority of Palestinians killed in Gaza are civilians, according to a joint investigation by The Guardian, +972 Magazine, and Local Call.Conflict researchers say that ratio is almost unparalleled in modern warfare. Only the Rwandan genocide, the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, and Russia’s 2022 siege of Mariupol recorded a higher civilian death rate, the authors noted.Rights groups and genocide scholars argue the findings further support claims that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, pointing to mass civilian deaths alongside deliberate starvation.""As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”8.900 Was the deceased Hamas people whom Israel could name . There were other deseased Hamas fighters whom Israel wasnt able to name . 8900 was the named Hamas fighters , its wasn't the total amount of Hamas fighters killed .8900 named Hamas fighters + the amount of the unnamed fighters would give the total mount ' 8.99
January 31Jan 31 2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:""As of May, 19 months into the war, Israeli intelligence officials listed 8,900 named fighters from Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad as dead or “probably dead”8.900 Was the deceased Hamas people whom Israel could name .There were other deseased Hamas fighters whom Israel wasnt able to name .8900 was the named Hamas fighters , its wasn't the total amount of Hamas fighters killed .8900 named Hamas fighters + the amount of the unnamed fighters would give the total mount'8.99Israel has lied and been caught in the lie too many times to mention.The civilian death rate in Gaza is exceptionally high compared to most modern conflicts. Independent investigations and official data indicate that between 70–83% of those killed are civilians, a proportion far above typical wartime averages.
January 31Jan 31 3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:Israel has lied and been caught in the lie too many times to mention. The report in question , the leaked report that stated 8900 named Hamas died . Are you now claiming that leaked report is a lie ?If not, what are you claiming is a lie ?Where is the lie ?
January 31Jan 31 Sorry, I see what you're getting at.You think there are unnamed HAMAS fighters that died in that report?What evidence of that do you have?
January 31Jan 31 4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:Sorry, I see what you're getting at.You think there are unnamed HAMAS fighters that died in that report?What evidence of that do you have? Could you state which bit you believe to be a lie ?
January 31Jan 31 18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Could you state which bit you believe to be a lie ?I misunderstood you and replied Sorry I see what you're getting at.I stated you can't believe anything Israel says. They have lost all credibility.
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