20 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

He has tariffs...win.

His powers and the powers of all future Presidents are correctly defined....win

I dont care what Trump thinks or says unless he agrees with me. I define winning, not him.

Nonsense. The tariff power that he's exercising now, he's always had. How is that a win?

All the powers of the presidency are now correctly defined? You got to list you want to share? And they all will be for the future? Does your crystal ball tell you how the Supreme Court will be deciding issues in the future?

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Nonsense. The tariff power that he's exercising now, he's always had. How is that a win?

All the powers of the presidency are now correctly defined? You got to list you want to share? And they all will be for the future? Does your crystal ball tell you how the Supreme Court will be deciding issues in the future?

The cries of the loser.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

The cries of the loser.

Once again, you resort to making it personal. And that's because you've got nothing.

14 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Your modesty becomes you as it seems that your arrogance has even overtaken Trump's!

Oh? Its better to follow someone else? Im not on this earth to follow anyone else except me.

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh? Its better to follow someone else? Im not on this earth to follow anyone else except me.

That is very obvious!

41 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That is very obvious!

Thanks, one of the greatest compliments you can give someone is that they are an original thinker. I appreciate your kind words.

Lay off that bong

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Thanks, one of the greatest compliments you can give someone is that they are an original thinker. I appreciate your kind words.

Swish is the sound of something going over someone’s head lol 😂 anyway it’s good to see Donald put in his place he’s not allowed to tax people that’s not his job.He is no statesman he’s a one trick pony whos trick is to bully that’s all he’s got and his tariff punch is a power he doesn’t have,that power belongs to congress and the American people through their elected representatives.period all stop 🛑

1 minute ago, Tug said:

Swish is the sound of something going over someone’s head lol 😂 anyway it’s good to see Donald put in his place he’s not allowed to tax people that’s not his job.He is no statesman he’s a one trick pony whos trick is to bully that’s all he’s got and his tariff punch is a power he doesn’t have,that power belongs to congress and the American people through their elected representatives.period all stop 🛑

So whats your point other than the usual tiresome moronic flames?

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Oh right he was being mean to people. Tell us what's being done. Jimmy Kimmel is out I guess right? You didn't mention him

Why don't you admit your statement was incorrect instead of beating around the bush? Like Trump, you will not admit you are wrong.

Just now, Hawaiian said:

Why don't you admit your statement was incorrect instead of beating around the bush? Like Trump, you will not admit you are wrong.

Wrong about what? Show us how the Trump Admin has interfered with the First Amendment then. Jimmy Kimmel?

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Wrong about what? Show us how the Trump Admin has interfered with the First Amendment then. Jimmy Kimmel?

Sorry, I am not able to make the blind see. Maybe Donald Trump can help you.

2 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Sorry, I am not able to make the blind see. Maybe Donald Trump can help you.

Translation: Another assertion I make that is unsupported by facts

19 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Another assertion I make that is unsupported by facts

Go troll someone else that matches your intelligence.

Tuesday's SOTU might be funny, as traditionally the justices of the Supreme Court sit in the front row.

The whining crybaby we call Trump not only claimed two of his appointed justices (Barrett, Gorsuch) are under the influence of a foreign power (Russia Russia Russia?), but that they are "a disgrace to our nation", "fools and lapdogs to the RINOs and radical left Democrats", and "I think it's an embarrassment to their families, if you want to know the truth".

Cameras are going to be fixated on Barrett and Gorsuch.

Also amusing might be how much revenue Trump will claim the tariffs generated (the over/under is $17,000,000,000,000).

I suspect the speech will be an hour or more of Trump trying to tell everyone how great we all should think he is, insecure little think-skinned child he is.

I doubt Fox will do instant fact checking, but non State Media probably will.....if their quants and analysts can keep up with what will undoubtedly be a tsunami of lies and fantasies.

Things he surely will include will be those 8 wars, real or imagined, he claims to have stopped, even the real ones that are ongoing. It would be a kick if he brought up his stopping of the Rwandan Genocide of 1994---and especially if the sycophant Republicans stand and applaud that fantasy. I'd look for a half dozen lying claims of "greatest economy ever" as well as a few "nobody has ever done more for the country than me me me".

I bet he also demonstrates the New New Math, where he somehow found a way to lower drug prices by 6000%. Many people are saying nobody else could have done that.

Though it would bring the house down, I do not expect him to bring up sharks circling sinking electric boats or Arnold Palmer's junk.

7 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Also amusing might be how much revenue Trump will claim the tariffs generated (the over/under is $17,000,000,000,000).

This is simply not true you are lying. This claim is about investment commitments.

20 minutes ago, blaze master said:

This is simply not true you are lying. This claim is about investment commitments.

Of which there are no actual firm commitments.

And Trump has claimed his tariffs will generate $trillions in revenues, even saying it would obviate the need for income taxes.

BTW, did you know 40% of current US imports are parts and pieces that go into US final products. These imports are things like screws and bolts and other items that are essentially commodities and have next to zero margin. It makes no sense to manufacture these in the US, though making little screws and bolts all day every day is probably right up the alley of the poorly educated MAGA Class.

John Deere noted in their annual report that these tariffs on low margin components that go into their final product will bite into their corporate earnings by $1.2 billion.

Here's how to twist reality and technically not lie:

US Trade Rep Jamieson Greer did the Sunday tal show circuit claiming "No tariff agreements have been pulled".

What he did not mention is that few, if any of Trump's claimed "tariff deals" were ever signed. The EU announced yesterday that they will vote Monday to halt ratification of the US-EU trade agreement. In other words, there never was a deal, so of course no deal could have been pulled.

India was to send a delegation to DC this week to discuss a trade deal (no deal yet either), but they have now cancelled in the wake of Trump's tantrum.

32 minutes ago, blaze master said:

This is simply not true you are lying. This claim is about investment commitments.

Just who is lying? reason.com/2025/12/15/trump-says-tariffs-have-brought-in-18-trillion-that-impossible/

7 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Of which there are no actual firm commitments.

And Trump has claimed his tariffs will generate $trillions in revenues, even saying it would obviate the need for income taxes.

BTW, did you know 40% of current US imports are parts and pieces that go into US final products. These imports are things like screws and bolts and other items that are essentially commodities and have next to zero margin. It makes no sense to manufacture these in the US, though making little screws and bolts all day every day is probably right up the alley of the poorly educated MAGA Class.

John Deere noted in their annual report that these tariffs on low margin components that go into their final product will bite into their corporate earnings by $1.2 billion.

I dont care about the investment claim. Only your misleading one.

Bye.

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Just who is lying? reason.com/2025/12/15/trump-says-tariffs-have-brought-in-18-trillion-that-impossible/

His claim is about investment not tariffs as the poster stated. The other claim is up for discussion if you want to start a thread about it go ahead.

9 minutes ago, blaze master said:

His claim is about investment not tariffs as the poster stated. The other claim is up for discussion if you want to start a thread about it go ahead.

His claims are about investments because of tariffs and that is a pie in the sky.

4 minutes ago, jvs said:

His claims are about investments because of tariffs and that is a pie in the sky.

Yes and apples taste like oranges. Would you like some milk wifh your slice ?

The Hill headline 22FEB26:

Greer on tariff refunds: ‘We need the court to tell us what to do’

Gemini AI:

2. The 2025-2026 IEEPA Tariff Crisis

In 2025, the administration used the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) to impose a new wave of global tariffs. This led to more direct warnings regarding refunds:

Judicial Skepticism: During Supreme Court arguments in late 2025 (Learning Resources, Inc. v. Trump), Justices specifically questioned how the government would handle the "mess" of refunding an estimated $175 billion if the tariffs were ruled illegal. *

Lack of Escrow: Despite these warnings, the administration did not establish a refund mechanism or escrow provision. Instead, it argued that any ruling should be "prospective only" (meaning they keep the money already collected and only stop moving forward).

The 2026 Ruling: On February 20, 2026, the Supreme Court struck down these IEEPA tariffs. Because no escrow or clear refund process had been established by the administration, the ruling has triggered a "refund gold rush," with companies like Costco and Toyota filing lawsuits to force the government to return the funds

*NB The CIT court could say: Of course it's a mess. You CREATED the mess.

5 minutes ago, jvs said:

His claims are about investments because of tariffs and that is a pie in the sky.

16 minutes ago, blaze master said:

His claim is about investment not tariffs as the poster stated. The other claim is up for discussion if you want to start a thread about it go ahead.

Whether it is tariff revenues or investments, the 17 and 18 $trillion figures are absurd.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-pegs-tariffs-payments-crisis-224825669.html

Among the things Trump identified was a net international investment position — the difference between US investments abroad and foreign investments in the US – that is now $26 trillion in the red.

What he didn’t mention was that his use of levies to force US and foreign companies to invest more in the US would lead to that number ballooning further. Or that in its latest report in January on the position, the US Bureau of Economic Analysis pointed to the soaring valuations on US equities markets that Trump has hailed as a vote of confidence in the US as a major cause of the increase in the US’s negative investment position.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2026/us-international-investment-position-3rd-quarter-2025

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-pegs-tariffs-payments-crisis-224825669.html

Among the things Trump identified was a net international investment position — the difference between US investments abroad and foreign investments in the US – that is now $26 trillion in the red.

What he didn’t mention was that his use of levies to force US and foreign companies to invest more in the US would lead to that number ballooning further. Or that in its latest report in January on the position, the US Bureau of Economic Analysis pointed to the soaring valuations on US equities markets that Trump has hailed as a vote of confidence in the US as a major cause of the increase in the US’s negative investment position.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2026/us-international-investment-position-3rd-quarter-2025

Evidently, Trump's balance of payments crisis is something he concocted to justify his new round of tariffs. We will have to see whether he will be overruled by any court challenges. Most of the time Trump's rationale for anything he says and does is full of holes. He keeps shooting himself in the foot.

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Evidently, Trump's balance of payments crisis is something he concocted to justify his new round of tariffs. We will have to see whether he will be overruled by any court challenges. Most of the time Trump's rationale for anything he says and does is full of holes. He keeps shooting himself in the foot.

It seems it's just BS, according to a Fortune article! 😂

Trump’s plan B to impose new tariffs is also illegal because a balance-of-payments deficit doesn’t exist, trade experts say

https://fortune.com/2026/02/21/trump-tariffs-section-122-trade-law-trade-deficit-capital-account-surplus-balance-of-payments/

8 hours ago, Wingate said:

US Trade Rep Jamieson Greer did the Sunday tal show circuit claiming "No tariff agreements have been pulled".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-says-accept-no-increase-160348603.html

EU says it will accept no increase in US tariffs after Supreme Court ruling: 'a deal is a deal'

BRUSSELS, Feb 22 (Reuters) - The European Commission demanded on Sunday that the United States stick to the terms of an EU-U.S. trade deal reached last year, after ‌the U.S. Supreme Court struck down Donald Trump's global tariffs and he responded with new levies ‌across the board.

The comments were far more strongly worded than the Commission's initial ⁠response on Friday, which had said only that it was studying the outcome of the Supreme Court decision and keeping in contact with the U.S. administration.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-risks-being-biggest-loser-172124480.html

The Biggest Loser From Trump’s New Tariffs Could Be Britain

(Bloomberg) -- After boasting for months about its preferential trade deal with US President Donald Trump, the UK is at risk of becoming the biggest loser in the aftermath of the Supreme Court’s decision to strike down his global tariffs.

Britain had enjoyed a relatively lower reciprocal tariff rate at 10% compared with other countries — giving it a competitive advantage — but Trump’s promise to reimpose the levies at 15% for all nations means businesses may now face even higher duties. The UK will see the largest increase as a result, followed by Italy and Singapore, according to Global Trade Alert, while Brazil, China and India stand to benefit the most.