What I don't get is who was controlling it before ??

Trump trying to solve a problem of his own making.

This is precisely how escalation and entanglement works.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump trying to solve a problem of his own making.

This is precisely how escalation and entanglement works.

Israel was going to attack. Iran are the terrorists. You support terrorists.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is precisely how escalation and entanglement works.

So they need permanent US navy stationed there to patrol?

Not sure how that works ...

It being "closed" is unacceptable for the world.

Yes USA and Israel started this war and extreme responses by Iran were expected, but now that we're in this mess, action to open up the Straits is necessary. That or give in to whatever Iran might demand to quit it.

What other choices are there?

2 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Israel was going to attack. Iran are the terrorists. You support terrorists.

It's not quite that simple or black and white.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It being "closed" is unacceptable for the world.

Yes USA and Israel started this war and extreme responses by Iran were expected, but now that we're in this mess, action to open up the Straits is necessary. That or give in to whatever Iran might demand to quit it.

What other choices are there?

Bomb the crap out of Iran until they have no firepower left. Giving in to Iran is what cowards do.

9 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Israel was going to attack. Iran are the terrorists. You support terrorists.

No I don’t support the Israeli and American illegal war on Iran, but yes I do agree it meets the definition of terrorism.

So answering your question, I do not support terrorism in any of its forms.

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12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

So they need permanent US navy stationed there to patrol?

Not sure how that works ...

It comes under the ‘forever wars’ doctrine.

9 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Bomb the crap out of Iran until they have no firepower left. Giving in to Iran is what cowards do.

Get your boots on lad.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No I don’t support the Israeli and American illegal war on Iran, but yes I do agree it meets the definition of terrorism.

So answering your question, I do not support terrorism in any of its forms.

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So you would have let Iran develop nukes and long range missiles.

12 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Bomb the crap out of Iran until they have no firepower left

What happens when the US/Israel run out of bombs and more importantly

anti missile/drone defenses but Iran keeps on launching ??? will this be a 13 day war ?

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It being "closed" is unacceptable for the world.

Yes USA and Israel started this war and extreme responses by Iran were expected, but now that we're in this mess, action to open up the Straits is necessary. That or give in to whatever Iran might demand to quit it.

What other choices are there?

Negotiate an end to the war.

Or just unilaterally stop the war. Unilateral action being the in thing these days.

Just now, johng said:

What happens when the US/Israel run out of bombs and more importantly

anti missile/drone defenses but Iran keeps on launching ??? will this be a 13 day war ?

Israel and US have far more bombs.

2 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

So you would have let Iran develop nukes and long range missiles.

I would not have unilaterally withdrawn from the nuclear arms treaty that Obama had negotiated and that Iran was complying with.

Just now, khaosokman said:

Israel and US have far more bombs.

Really ? interesting why was the last war a 12 day war ?

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Negotiate an end to the war.

Or just unilaterally stop the war. Unilateral action being the in thing these days.

Negotiate with who?

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I would not have unilaterally withdrawn from the nuclear arms treaty that Obama had negotiated and that Iran was complying with.

Agreed.

Too late for that now

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Negotiate with who?

The other party in the illegal war, the Israelis.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The other party in the illegal war, the Israelis.

The war is against Iran.

There is a reason for the acronym TACO. When will Trump chicken out exactly? Will he see the war as lowering the mid terms chance of right wing success?

Will he find it harder to convince the Nobel prize judges he is the President of Peace?

We know it will happen, but when?

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Will he find it harder to convince the Nobel prize judges he is the President of Peace?

The Nobel Committee would have looked as stupid as FIFA do had they awarded him the Nobel Peace Price.

They could create a special prize for him "The Nobel Prize For Killing"

58 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

What I don't get is who was controlling it before ??

Fireworks and war porn: This should be entertaining. I wonder which US Navy ship will be the first to hit the bottom of the Gulf?

26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

They could create a special prize for him "The Nobel Prize For Killing"

How about The Nobel Orwellian - War Is Peace - Prize? I'm thinking that would be a perfect fit, 'eh?

2 minutes ago, connda said:

How about The Nobel Orwellian - War Is Peace - Prize? I'm thinking that would be a perfect fit, 'eh?

It would have to have lots of shiny gold bling.

40 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The war is against Iran.

Yes, the illegal war is against Iran.

But it’s being persecuted by Israel and the U.S.

The war can only be stopped if both Israel and the U.S. stop.

1 hour ago, khaosokman said:

Israel was going to attack. Iran are the terrorists. You support terrorists.

Definition of terrorists seems to be a floating concept or term

Or like AI would say

The definition of "terrorist" and "terrorism" is widely considered a floating, subjective, and politically contested concept rather than a fixed legal or scientific term. Despite decades of effort, the international community has not agreed upon a universal definition, resulting in a situation where the label is often applied selectively depending on the political perspective of the user—commonly summarized by the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter"

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, the illegal war is against Iran.

But it’s being persecuted by Israel and the U.S.

The war can only be stopped if both Israel and the U.S. stop.

What is a legal war?

31 minutes ago, Purdey said:

When will Trump chicken out exactly?

When the statements of Trumparian hubris fail to match the facts on the ground and the US military begins to lose assets and personnel even though Hegseth & Company are telling the public that Iran has been conquered (but independent media leaks counter-narratives that don't match the DEPWAR's assessments , and US generals begin to visibly freak out on camera?

I expect to hear something from Hegseth and Trump like, "We've conquered them and we don't want to continue killing Iranians, but the evil mullahs refuse to submit and surrender so we need to keep pounding them," (switch to video where US destroyer is stern-up and sinking). Yeah, something like that.

Really, pay attention to the Ukrainian info-war propaganda. It goes like this: Russia is running out of missiles and is stripping IC chips out of washing machines, Russia soldiers are starving on the front and eating each other, Russia is losing the war badly, Putin is on his deathbed, Ukraine is winning! Reality on the ground shows that as nothing but propaganda. Those who watch CNN and Fox will buy it wholesale.
Now extend that to the Israel/US war of aggression on Iran. Wait! It's a waiting game. In the long-run the facts on the ground can not be spun into propaganda for CNN & Fox News watchers. Over time the actual facts and realities can not be hidden. Then you'll know who won and who lost. In the short-term, if you hear Trump spewing nonsense that Iran wants to surrender, just step back and watch for a few days or weeks. Reality will appear. Then you'll know. And always remember: The First Casualty of War is the Truth. 👈 And never forget that!

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Get your boots on lad.

It cannot/won't as it is not capable of filling anyone's boots and certainly not any personal boots as it is only a keyboard warrior and not capable of being a real one!