36 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Did you read the posts below? They explain why the word "antisemitism" only refers to a hatred of Jews. What is the source of the map you posted? It appears to refer to people who speak a Semitic language.

Sorry, I do NOT follow the new dictionaries that change the definition of words to satisfy special interest groups.

... Semitic is a region, not a country or religion

(defined below)

... vaccines are designed to 'prevent' being infected, not help elevate symptoms only.

... trans people & 72 genders aren't real in my world

... 3 sexual genders; hetero, bi & gay, along with 2 sexes M & F

... men can't have babies

... they & them - "used to refer to two or more people or things previously mentioned or easily identified"

Wiki & dictionaries have been compromised by the PC woke folks. No longer a viable source of info in my world.

I was taught & learned the English & American language for 50+ years, so I'll stick with the real, first version.

If going to call someone anti semitic, you may want to specify your meaning.

Arabic / Islam anti semitism and the 'Crusades' come to mind.

On 3/27/2026 at 8:47 PM, Somjot said:

to protect Jews from the injustices they had to suffer like persecution, dispossession, oppression and even genocide

Did they suffer these everywhere they spread to throughout history due to their behavior ? 🙂

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

I was taught & learned the English & American language for 50+ years, so I'll stick with the real, first version.

What was the source of that first, real version? Can you give one source which says antisemitism refers to hatred of any group other than Jews?

How about the sources below? Do you consider them "woke?" Do you dispute the Encyclopedia Britannica's explanation of the origin of the word "antisemitism?" Or Oxford Reference specifically stating it only applies to Jews?

Encyclopedia Britannica

antisemitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews. The term antisemitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism

Oxford Reference

anti-Semitism Hostility towards and discrimination against Jewish people (although there are other Semitic peoples, notably the Arabs, anti‐Semitism is only used to refer to prejudice against Jewish people).

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095417471

Cambridge Dictionary

antisemitism hate directed at Jewish people, or cruel or unfair treatment of people because they are Jewish

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisemitism

It's really proven to be a total waste of time arguing with obvious demonizes about the definition of antisemitism.

They are playing a perverted game to erase consideration of Jew hating.

Just shift to saying Jew hating and that kills their idiotic game.

People in the world opposing Jew hating don't need to be married to a particular word to describe.

Whatever word you use, it's real now as it has been for thousands of years.

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're entitled to your opinions.

You are NOT entitled to make up fictional defintions.

You are free to lobby dictionary publishers if you wish.

Regardless of your insistence on the terminal literalism of root words only, words have DEFINITIONS.

You know that. You're playing dumb for weird political reasons. In my experience, people who play cynical games as you did about the definition of antisemitism are usually motivated by a desire to deny the severity of the historical record of people hating Jews, trying to deflect it to an entirely different thing entirely.

If you want to talk about hatred of Muslims, Arabs, purple people or whatever then you're welcome to talk about that as a separate topic.

Anti-semitism is only about Jews. Period. End of story.

I’ll tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to agree with the most important part of what you said above, and state here and now that I agree “antisemitism” is indeed the correct term to use to describe the actions of someone who demeans Jews. 👍

14 minutes ago, Packer said:

Did they suffer these everywhere they spread to throughout history due to their behavior ? 🙂

No. Their behavior had nothing to do with it. The persecution of Jews throughout history has depended solely on the blind hatred of antisemites.

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@WDSmart and @Somjot

Here is the AI answer when I asked,"Does antisemitism refer to both Jews and Arabs?" (my bold)

No, antisemitism does not refer to hatred of both Jews and Arabs; it is a term specifically coined to describe hatred of Jews.

Although the word "Semitic" linguistically includes both Hebrew (Jewish) and Arabic (Arab) speakers, the term antisemitism was created in the 19th century by figures like Wilhelm Marr to denote racial hatred against Jews specifically, rather than all Semitic peoples. Encyclopedia Britannica and other sources explicitly state that labeling Arabs or other Semites as "antisemitic" is a misnomer and an etymological fallacy, as the term was never intended to apply to discrimination against Arabs.

Historical Origin: The term was adopted to replace "Jew-hatred" (Judenhass) with a pseudo-scientific label, focusing exclusively on the Jewish population present in Europe at the time.

Current Usage: Modern dictionaries and definitions, including the IHRA working definition, define antisemitism strictly as hostility toward or discrimination against Jews.

Terminology for Arab Prejudice: Prejudice against Arabs is correctly termed anti-Arab racism or Islamophobia (when based on religion), not antisemitism.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=does+antisemitic+refer+to+both+Jews+and+Arabs&summary=1&conversation=08e676eec3d8bd7cb1b353383725546aa0e4

I gave the link to the Encyclopedia Britannica article in an earlier post, here it is again:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@WDSmart and @Somjot

Here is the AI answer when I asked,"Does antisemitism refer to both Jews and Arabs?" (my bold)

No, antisemitism does not refer to hatred of both Jews and Arabs; it is a term specifically coined to describe hatred of Jews.

Although the word "Semitic" linguistically includes both Hebrew (Jewish) and Arabic (Arab) speakers, the term antisemitism was created in the 19th century by figures like Wilhelm Marr to denote racial hatred against Jews specifically, rather than all Semitic peoples. Encyclopedia Britannica and other sources explicitly state that labeling Arabs or other Semites as "antisemitic" is a misnomer and an etymological fallacy, as the term was never intended to apply to discrimination against Arabs.

Historical Origin: The term was adopted to replace "Jew-hatred" (Judenhass) with a pseudo-scientific label, focusing exclusively on the Jewish population present in Europe at the time.

Current Usage: Modern dictionaries and definitions, including the IHRA working definition, define antisemitism strictly as hostility toward or discrimination against Jews.

Terminology for Arab Prejudice: Prejudice against Arabs is correctly termed anti-Arab racism or Islamophobia (when based on religion), not antisemitism.

https://search.brave.com/search?q=does+antisemitic+refer+to+both+Jews+and+Arabs&summary=1&conversation=08e676eec3d8bd7cb1b353383725546aa0e4

I gave the link to the Encyclopedia Britannica article in an earlier post, here it is again:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

I’ll tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to agree with the most important part of what you said above, and state here and now that I agree “antisemitism” is indeed the correct term to use to describe the actions of someone who demeans Jews. 👍

1 minute ago, Evil Penevil said:

No. Their behavior had nothing to do with it.

You're very funny. 🙂

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I’ll tell you what I’m going to do: I’m going to agree with the most important part of what you said above, and state here and now that I agree “antisemitism” is indeed the correct term to use to describe the actions of someone who demeans Jews. 👍

Too late and you're not the only one. Bait and switch. I get why you and allies don't like people saying Jew hating. It ruins your game entirely. You can't play act that Jew hating doesn't exist and you can't claim Jew hating is really about all so called semites.

On 3/13/2026 at 12:36 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

For me, the conversations we’ve been having here on racism and, more particularly, antisemitism have been very instructive. I’ve learned a lot by talking with all of you.

Most of us are familiar with the story of the good German, the ordinary person who followed orders, no matter how far against morality or humanity they went.

Eichmann’s defence at Nuremburg was, “I was only following orders.” They hanged him anyway.

You see, that’s not good enough. We all like to think of ourselves as better humans, better than that, surely.

But, in reality, I think very, very few of us, a minuscule proportion, ever resist orders. For example, “Food and drink are not allowed on the BTS Skytrain system.” Do you break that rule?

Even when we break the rule, such as carrying a cup of coffee onto the train, we’re furtive about it, as if someone in authority might scold us.

Or, in Nazi Germany, far worse than scolding.

How about plea bargains: “You’ll shave years off your sentence after certain conviction, if you just tell us this.” Or pressure to a false confession or false accusations..

Even I, a lifelong rebel, activist, agitator, troublemaker, find myself obeying almost all the rules. Why? Well, for one thing, we intrinsically don’t want to disappoint  anyone, including those in authority, the boss, for example. And we certainly don’t want any trouble!

Mostly, we follow rules made by <who knows> because it’s easier. It makes things smoother, more convenient for a largely hassle-free life.

But we will never meet those who made and make the rules, never. Some of the rules are ridiculous or antiquated or no longer apply. But rules are rules, right.

Books have been written about the Nazi phenomenon, complete cult worship for no benefit to society. But the Germans followed the rules, in fact the breakdown of morality. Almost no Aryan Germans or Jews resisted that authority, with very few exceptions.

There was Dietrich Bonhöffer, the Weiße Rose students, and the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. Any other resistance was passive, done discreetly to avoid the attention of the authorities. Both in the streets and in the camps.

Many war resisters were guillotined in Berlin, as were Christians. I have recorded them in one of my books. We have to, we have to, remember their names, or we are less than human.

I have written about the scourge of nationalism before but Nazi Germany really nails that down über alles.

What occasioned this post is a 2015 movie called Experimenter, about the obedience experiments of Dr Stanley Milgram. The level of obedience elicited is shocking.

It should cause us all to examine our own decisions of right or wrong. I don’t mean only us personally but what we support: right or wrong. This requires a great deal of self-examination.

Experimenter is not a documentary, it is a re-creation of Dr. Milgram’s work. It is notable he was Jewish, as were many of his fellow psychology professors. The Albanian prof’s story is especially chilling. His story is untrue, and I will not repeat it here. But it did happen in Romania.

Should you really want to explore further, there are documentaries on YouTube, Milgram’s own books, and scores of others. Why? Because none of us can understand the good German, how could they do this, this isn’t me.

Until it does become us. Group-think, obedience. We all need somebody lower than us.  We don’t often think this aloud, but it’s there, waiting, all the time.

The most extreme examples are soldiers & executioners. They do terrible things that, were they not legalised, would result in life in prison. I can’t imagine what they tell their families, their children, their parents.

In the case of the Nazis, it was Jews. Why? Jews in Germany were friends, neighbours, colleagues. They weren't feared. But the hate was lying just below the surface. Hitler used that to achieve national unity.

For us, perhaps it’s child abusers or drug dealers or kids with tattoos, Iranians. Tattooed Iranian paedophile drug dealers! It can be that simple. Right or wrong? Choose.

At heart, I’m being convinced that every one of us bears that racism inside. Even Jews are antisemites. So, deny this, if you wish. But I believe we all hate somebody or something. Most of us will not resist, we’ll do as we’re told.

Remaining silent in the face of injustice is not resistance. Hannah Arendt:

Niemand hat ein Recht darauf, zu gehorchen.                 

“Nobody has the right to obey.”

We are all antisemites. Watch Experimenter.

Further reading.

Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on The Banality of Evil, 1964.

Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951

Arendt, Crises of the Republic: Lying in Politics, Civil Disobedience, On Violence, Thoughts on Politics and Revolution, 1972.

Blass, The Man Who Shocked the World: The Life and Legacy of Stanley Milgram, 2004.

Blass, The roots of Stanley Milgram’s obedience experiments and their relevance to the Holocaust, 1998.

Fermaglich, American Dreams and Nazi Nightmares: Early Holocaust Consciousness, 2007.

Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust., 1996.

Milgram, “Behavioral Study of Obedience”, 1963.

Milgram, Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View, 1974.

G. Miller, “If Someone Secretly Controlled What You Say, Would Anybody Notice?”, 2014.

Perry, Behind the Shock Machine: The untold story of the notorious Milgram psychology experiments, 2013.

Bettina Stangneth, Eichmann Before Jerusalem: The Unexamined Life of a Mass Murderer, 2014.

Yessir, i checked myself after reading this and agree, I now am well aware that I HATE politicians as they for the most part seem to be corrupt in order to get rich off the public dole! I have seen this around the world, and see it daily with the US Congressional Committees fighting their co-workers in the administration!

I, like most of those on these forums, detest the type of violence the Nazis inflicted on the Jews and condemn them to the fullest.

Being woke, I remember the extent of the horrors perpetrated on the Jews in the 1940s by the German Nazis:

- They were identified as a group whose existence posed a threat to the state.

- They were discriminated against because of their race and religion.

- Their businesses, homes, and lands were confiscated by the state.

- They were driven into small, concentrated areas.

- There, they were starved and killed - men, women, and children - with the objective of exterminating them all.

We should all remember these things and be thankful that there is no group of people doing this to a minority in their land today.

4 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Yessir, i checked myself after reading this and agree, I now am well aware that I HATE politicians as they for the most part seem to be corrupt in order to get rich off the public dole! I have seen this around the world, and see it daily with the US Congressional Committees fighting their co-workers in the administration!

Antifa is antipol...

12 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

No. Their behavior had nothing to do with it. The persecution of Jews throughout history has depended solely on the blind hatred of antisemites.

Ev, I'm still mystified about this blind hatred. Probably all Jews are, too. There must be a historical era in which Jews were feared, usually the first step to hatred.

You can't fight hate with hate. You can only fight hate with love. Israel's got it wrong. 62% supported war on Gaza, 67% support the war on Lebanon, 93% support the war on Iran, 49% support takeover of the West Bank where 700,000 Israeli emigrants have taken land.

Yes, that's a lot of govt brainwashing. But it's also a lot of hate for a small country. Hate eats you alive from the inside out. And Israel could be so much more.

P.S. It's beneath you to engage in this anti-Semite nonsense.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

You're very funny. 🙂

On that point, I am very serious. But I can be funny, Here's a joke for you:

A rabbi sees one of the members of his synagogue reading an antisemitic newsletter.

"Moshe, what are you doing with that filth?? Don't you know the horrible things those neo-Nazis say about Jews?"

"Of course I do, Rabbi! When I pick up a Jewish newspaper, do you know what I see? 'There was an attack on this Jewish community,' 'This synagogue was vandalized,' 'So-and-so died,' 'We need to raise money urgently' and so on."

"But when I pick this one up," Moshe continues, "do you know what I read? 'The Jews control the government,' 'The Jews have all the money,' 'The Jews have power'- it's a real ego boost!" 🤣

The old Hebrewphile (Yiddishphile?) loves the dry and often self-deprecating Jewish humour. Your joke caused me to look up Jewish humour. There are likely a dozen books. Do you have a fave?

Here's what I mean about hate, though I'm not certain about the veracity of the source, Middle East Eye. Perhaps they have an agenda--doesn't everybody?

82% of Israelis supported "removal" of Palestinians from Israeli and Gaza, including killing them. In fairness, 40% were opposed to such a drastic solution. Only 9% of IDF soldiers opposed.

Israeli media outlets have echoed calls for the expulsion and killing of Palestinians. Recently, Israeli human rights organisations submitted a request to the Supreme Court to open an investigation against Channel 14, seen as loyal to Netanyahu, on suspicion of "incitement to genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity".

On 3/13/2026 at 8:05 AM, KhunLA said:

My original ancestors came over with William Penn, and even though were deeded land by the King, preferred to negotiate peacefully with the Lenape. As my people settled in their area, sort of, the Brandywine Valley as it's known today.

I think Lenape Park is, was in that area also, though no longer in operation, renamed Brandywine Picnic Park, if memory serves. Actually, there was a bunch of Lenape Parks in the tri state areas.

What happen after my folks got there, well, we had no control of that. Blame game someone else.

So, you were economic migrants who purchased land from people who did not actually own the land in many cases, and who used violence, coercion and fraud in other cases. Nice.

35 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The old Hebrewphile (Yiddishphile?) loves the dry and often self-deprecating Jewish humour. Your joke caused me to look up Jewish humour. There are likely a dozen books. Do you have a fave?

The Big Book of Jewish Humor is a standard in the homes of many U.S. Jews. The second is interesting,but not very well written.

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

So, you were economic migrants who purchased land from people who did not actually own the land in many cases, and who used violence, coercion and fraud in other cases. Nice.

Wasn't there, were you. Had to go by what I already posted, peaceful purchase even though deed the land by the King.

What's your family tree & ancestral line look like. No conflicts or spoils of war taken ?

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Wasn't there, were you. Had to go by what I already posted, peaceful purchase even though deed the land by the King.

What's your family tree & ancestral line look like. No conflicts or spoils of war taken ?

Nope. My recent family migration trends were by invitation. It's a reflection of skills and education. 😄

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

What was the source of that first, real version? Can you give one source which says antisemitism refers to hatred of any group other than Jews?

How about the sources below? Do you consider them "woke?" Do you dispute the Encyclopedia Britannica's explanation of the origin of the word "antisemitism?" Or Oxford Reference specifically stating it only applies to Jews?

Encyclopedia Britannica

antisemitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews. The term antisemitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time. https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism

Oxford Reference

anti-Semitism Hostility towards and discrimination against Jewish people (although there are other Semitic peoples, notably the Arabs, anti‐Semitism is only used to refer to prejudice against Jewish people).

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095417471

Cambridge Dictionary

antisemitism hate directed at Jewish people, or cruel or unfair treatment of people because they are Jewish

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/antisemitism

I think you pretty much proved my point. Just because some 'ignorant' bigoted journalist, politician mistakenly used the word 'Semitic' for Jews, ~150 yrs ago, doesn't mean I should incorrectly use it. To quote you, where used wrong, and noted, the incorrectness of it.

... "Encyclopedia Britannica

antisemitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews. The term antisemitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns underway in central Europe at that time.

Oxford Reference

anti-Semitism Hostility towards and discrimination against Jewish people (although there are other Semitic peoples, notably the Arabs, anti‐Semitism is only used to refer to prejudice against Jewish people)."

Why is this ...

... "only used to refer to prejudice against Jewish people)."

Is there any other group that has their own word to refer prejudice against them?

Answer ... NO

Sorry, I don't cower to special ANY interest groups.

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Nope. My recent family migration trends were by invitation. It's a reflection of skills and education. 😄

Recent ... nice cover. As were mine, depending how far going back, and what closet one is peeking in.

On my afternoon klong walk, I was thinking about the idea of Israel, the promise of Israel, gained in its birth pains by militant terrorists such as Haganah.

Let's say, by some magic, all Palestinians suddenly disappeared from the Occupied Territories. That would include Hamas, of course. By the same magic, Hezbollah disappeared both from Lebanon and Iran.

Would Israelis feel any safer? Or would they find new "enemies" among their neighbours. Would they be cooperative participants with all other countries in the Middle East.

A lot of people need enemies to validate themselves. That goes for countries, too.

Israel was founded in violence. In 75 years, it seems there was no year of complete peace. Israelis were still on edge fulltime and so were their neighbours.

And now the fear of antisemitism, "death to Israel" has brainwashed Israelis so they know no different way of thinking. They believe in this violence so much that it's merely an inconvenience to run to the bomb shelters!

When one has resorted to violence as one's only strategy, I think it would be very hard, perhaps even almost impossible, for Israel to learn to be at peace.

Pre-emptive violence is particularly heinous both to perpetrator and victim. The fear that your neighbour might attack you so you'd better burn down his house before he gets the chance.

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I've also been thinking about what historical event or chain of events began Judenhaß. I don't think it was the death of Christ. Jesus had few followers in his own time. Christianity grew out of proselytisation and forced conversion.

Was it the fact that Jews did not seek to proselytise and convert, let's say in competition with Christianity, why they were in perpetual despise.

Jews were among the most cultured and successful group in Western Europe. Were they despised for their appreciation of civilisation.

Everywhere, not just the Middle East. Pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe, no civil or human rights aso. Hitler was merely the most extreme Judenhaß.

Perhaps there is no answer. But, as one poster wrote, it has nothing to do with the behaviour of Jews. That's nonsense. As far as I can see, they kept to themselves, were law-abiding and didn't bother anybody.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Ev, I'm still mystified about this blind hatred. Probably all Jews are, too. There must be a historical era in which Jews were feared, usually the first step to hatred.

Jews have always been the ultimate outsiders who refused to assimilate. Their decision to remain outside the norm and follow their own religion, culture and traditions made them both feared and hated. Since the days of Og the Caveman, people have viewed anyone outside their own "tribe" with suspicion and hatred that sometimes turned violent.

Because Jews were so few in number, they also made themselves convenient scapegoats for society's ills. Kings as well as local leaders- and later national governments- could blame everything - disease, crops failures, posioned wells, poor economic time, civil unrest, etc.- on Jews without worrying about a Jewish rebellion. The ignorance of the majority of Christians in the Middle Ages made it easy for them to accept and promote antisemitism.

Things began to change in Western democracies in the 18th and 19th centuries with Jews given tolerance in North America and parts of Europe. However, enough irrational hatred of Jews remains to make a homeland for the world's Jews an absolute necessity.

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

P.S. It's beneath you to engage in this anti-Semite nonsense.

To which nonsense are you referring? There's so much of it in the threads about Jews and Israel.

Thanks, Ev. That gives me a bit of the picture. Prey on the few, prey on the different.

This is not intended as a loaded question--I think you know me better than that: Is Israel warring on others because they are "outside the tribe"?

The long thread here about "Arabs are Semites, too, doesn's antisemitism refer to them, too." Mostly you just need to go with what everyone will understand. I don't agree with all the IHRA manifestations--you likely know which one to which I'm referring--but antisemitism is Judenhaß.

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Thanks, Ev. That gives me a bit of the picture. Prey on the few, prey on the different.

This is not intended as a loaded question--I think you know me better than that: Is Israel warring on others because they are "outside the tribe"?

Nice trolling :)

Isreal are warring with others because the others keeep attacking Isreal, but, im sure you knew that :)

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews have always been the ultimate outsiders who refused to assimilate. Their decision to remain outside the norm and follow their own religion, culture and traditions made them both feared and hated.

However, enough irrational hatred of Jews remains to make a homeland for the world's Jews an absolute necessity.

Assuming all that is true, isn´t it even more irrational to go on with their old ways and keep being targetted?

Wouldn´t it be better for everybody on this planet if Jews gave up their exclusive "ancestry only" Religion and transform it into something more modern and open minded and "everybody welcome" thing like Christianity or Islam?

Especially after the Third Reich the world has become a bit allergic to people who think of themselves and their ethnicity of being something better compared to the rest of the world. Being chosen by nature to be the "Herrenrasse" or being chosen by my own God over other people goes pretty much in the same direction.

I mean, after 78 years of that "absolute necessity", as you call Israel, I can´t see any decrease of anti-Semitism, rather an increase.

And this time there is a huge difference: In history people accused Jews with ridiculous things like well poisoning or baby devouring which all were more or less based on Jew hating hearsay.

But now, especially after October 7, the world has seen which price the Palestinians, who other than many countries have no history of wronging Jews, had and still have to pay for your safe haven as it is literally built on their land and their corpses and which horrible atrocities Jews are capable of including the intentional murder of children.

Practically every race on this planet had and some still have to face some kind of prejudice or racism and all of them would be more than happy if that will one day stop.

But Jews seem to be the only group of people who insist on having a word which describes the hate towards them exclusively and even defend it tooth and nail: anti-semitism.

I can only guess that is because you do not really want it to end. You want to keep your members by birth only religion and use that expression as a shield to label anyone who opposes you as deeply evil and therefore his criticism can only be based on evil lies, even if it is true.

You forget only one small detail: That can only work as long as the world sees you as the forever victims.

Truth to be told except some bribed politicians in a few western countries, part of the the western media and some right wing boomers who are too old, too dumb or too stubborn to realize it, for the rest of the world that victim card expired during the more than 2 years of mass murder and land theft plus the slaughter in almost every neighboring country since October 7.

Would have been much better if Christians and Muslims just got on with their Religion without wanting to convert the rest of the World to their belief .

Many of the wars through history have been caused by Christians and Muslims wanting united World all following the same Religion .

Would be much better if the Worlds Religions were like Jews . who dont want to convert the rest of the World to Judaism , like Muslim's and Christians do