Don't forget Donnie you promised no boots on the ground, we know that your word doesn't mean much, but a promise is a promise after all, even if it's coming from a goon, a clown, a fraud and a liar.

Trump, the no more foreign wars President, is eager to see American boots blood on the ground.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I think Israel can handle a lot of this on their own, but being an ally of America, they felt they needed to join, just as they've done in those other places where tyranny was running rampant. Some places we shouldn't have interfered, as it didn't change much, but most of this involves terrorism, which does need to be eliminated. This is targeting innocents and not just a war between militaries.

With this comment, it is clear you have no idea who is behind this conflict and the real reasons behind it.

During briefings, American lawmakers are being told that it is not about nuclear and it is not about regime change. So what is it?

You didn't notice Bibi visiting the USA recently? You don't know that he has been pushing every recent US president towards this action. Each one refused, bar... Trump. Why do you think that might be? Is it the will of the American people?

Your comments are comical and that's why people are laughing.

Stand strong Iran.

Wait your time then give it back 10 fold.

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

With this comment, it is clear you have no idea who is behind this conflict. You didn't notice Bibi visiting the USA recently? You don't know that he has been pushing every recent US president towards this action. Each one refused, bar... Trump.

With that assumption, it's clear again you haven't the slightest idea who you're talking to.You think I don't get US and other country's news and haven't lived there 62 years and heard what goes on, along with talking to those involved?

There are again, like i listed, many reasons America joins conflicts, and yes, I know the other presidents weren't getting involved like Trump and cohorts have.You are going by the same news everyone else receives, if they bother to listen. The difference is that you haven't any firsthand contact with Americans besides possibly visiting there for the pizza. Everything else you know is known by everyone that has the internet. Some of us have military family and friends.

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

I think too many Americans (perhaps you too) have been sold into the lie that Israel needs to be protected by America at all costs.

Do you think that without US protection Israel would still exist? Iran has been quite clear for the last 47 years. Death to the USA and death to Israel. This threat is now being dealt with in a huge military assault on a terrorist regime. What the actual outcome will be no one knows.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

True, as we do stick our noses in other's business a lot, although many times it's for legitimate reasons. A superpower does this, as America is all nations in one place, feeling they have to get involved to protect the citizens of those countries for that reason.

By bombing innocent school children?

Imo only terrorist kill innocent children,can you agree with that?

1 minute ago, jvs said:

By bombing innocent school children?

Imo only terrorist kill innocent children,can you agree with that?

Yes, if it was intentional, but America doesn't do that. Individuals have in the past, in Vietnam, but as a military force no. No matter how much technology is involved, mistakes are made, especially when you aren't getting up to date information.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

True, as we do stick our noses in other's business a lot, although many times it's for legitimate reasons. A superpower does this, as America is all nations in one place, feeling they have to get involved to protect the citizens of those countries for that reason.

In your words America is trying to Control other nations

11 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, if it was intentional, but America doesn't do that. Individuals have in the past, in Vietnam, but as a military force no. No matter how much technology is involved, mistakes are made, especially when you aren't getting up to date information.

The United States has a complex history regarding the use of aerial bombing, with several instances often characterized by critics as indiscriminate or targeting civilian centers, particularly during World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. These campaigns aimed to destroy morale and infrastructure, resulting in massive civilian casualties

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The yanks do not value life just kill !! look into the yanks history

and i dont give a rats arse who you are !!

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

With that assumption, it's clear again you haven't the slightest idea who you're talking to.You think I don't get US and other country's news and haven't lived there 62 years and heard what goes on, along with talking to those involved?

There are again, like i listed, many reasons America joins conflicts, and yes, I know the other presidents weren't getting involved like Trump and cohorts have.You are going by the same news everyone else receives, if they bother to listen. The difference is that you haven't any firsthand contact with Americans besides possibly visiting there for the pizza. Everything else you know is known by everyone that has the internet. Some of us have military family and friends.

Haven't the slightest idea of whom I'm talking to? 😊 That's a tad arrogant, don't you think?

You know that it's an assumption that I don't have any contact with people from the USA, don't you? Equally that it's a frankly ridiculous comment that I visited the USA just to eat pizza.

Can you at least try to write normally, without jumping to ridiculous conclusions?

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Haven't the slightest idea of whom I'm talking to? 😊 That's a tad arrogant, don't you think?

You know that it's an assumption that I don't have any contact with people from the USA, don't you? Equally that it's a frankly ridiculous comment that I visited the USA just to eat pizza.

Can you at least try to write normally, without jumping to ridiculous conclusions?

Not arrogant. Just a fact. I didn't say you didn't know anyone from America. I lived there 62 years, knowing full well what's gone on since the Kennedy assassination. You never lived there, so what you know is minuscule at best, mostly gained from videos and newscasts, like others who think they know the US from same. No comparison. Assuming that I don't know what's gone on is just another of your go to assumptions. Now don't start one of your diatribes of non truths, as you'll just be ignored, and not only by me.

Can you at least try to write normally, without jumping to ridiculous conclusions, all the time?

8 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Haven't the slightest idea of whom I'm talking to? 😊 That's a tad arrogant, don't you think?

You know that it's an assumption that I don't have any contact with people from the USA, don't you? Equally that it's a frankly ridiculous comment that I visited the USA just to eat pizza.

Can you at least try to write normally, without jumping to ridiculous conclusions?

Typical yank attitude Fat loudmouth arrogant think they own the world the guy lives under a rock reckons there is very little crime in the USA what a joke !!

9 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

In your words America is trying to Control other nations

The United States has a complex history regarding the use of aerial bombing, with several instances often characterized by critics as indiscriminate or targeting civilian centers, particularly during World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. These campaigns aimed to destroy morale and infrastructure, resulting in massive civilian casualties

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The yanks do not value life just kill !! look into the yanks history

and i dont give a rats arse who you are !!

Of course I know about Japan, Korea and Vietnam but I'm referring to recent conflicts, although some mistakes are always made. Iran doesn't warn before their regime strikes, both in and outside their country. The US has used force looking for terrorists in civilian areas, and yes, did go overboard at times, but I'm thinking f you were there, you might do the same, as the people they were looking for are the ones who intentionally kill innocents as a way of life. The US warned Iran's people as this and other's show..........https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4428134/us-forces-issue-safety-warning-to-civilians-in-iran/.

53 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Do you think that without US protection Israel would still exist?

What I think is that tens of thousands of young Americans didn't need to fight and die in wars with adversaries of Israel - countries that were not a threat to the USA. In the case of Iran, the strongest of the Pentagon's '7 countries in 5 years' - and the last one on that list of theirs - Israel would have many allies, naturally, if they weren't so busy trying to kill Palestinians and bulldoze all of Gaza and the West Bank so they can annex them.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Of course I know about Japan, Korea and Vietnam but I'm referring to recent conflicts, although some mistakes are always made. Iran doesn't warn before their regime strikes, both in and outside their country. The US warned Iran's people as this and other's show..........https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/4428134/us-forces-issue-safety-warning-to-civilians-in-iran/.

And why should anybody warn of a strike its WAR you want a recent war the yanks made mistake in bombing look no further than the yanks latest defeat the afghan war were they left there afghan allies to be kill after they where told they would be looked after, this is Yankee promises, woman and children left to be killed, you yanks should be ashamed

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

And why should anybody warn of a strike its WAR you want a recent war the yanks made mistake in bombing look no further than the yanks latest defeat the afghan war where they left there afghan allies to be kill after they where told they would be looked after this is Yankee promises woman and children left to be killed you yanks should be ashamed

Instead of getting on America's case, why not target your anger against those who are terrorists, who are killing not only other country's citizens but the genocide of their own?

Again, America has saved the world many times, even if some think we keep losing wars, and if there was another valid way of eliminating terrorists and this type of regime, who set up close to civilian areas because they don't care about them, then it would be tried. Peace has to come at a cost if the other side doesn't fight fair, meaning soldier against soldier. If you were in the military, you should know how things are done, and they come with mistakes and bad decisions.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Instead of getting on America's case, why not target your anger against those who are terrorists, who are killing not only other country's citizens but the genocide of their own?

Again, America has saved the world many times, even if some think we keep losing wars, and if there was another valid way of eliminating terrorists and this type of regime, who set up close to civilian areas because they don't care about them, then it would be tried. Peace has to come at a cost if the other side doesn't fight fair, meaning soldier against soldier. If you were in the military, you should know how things are done, and they come with mistakes and bad decisions.

This war is not about saving Iranians from their government.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This war is not about saving Iranians from their government.

It's one reason. A lot think they know the reasons, but are just following other's opinions, which may or may not be the reality. It's surely a good excuse to get involved, saving millions from a destructive regime, along with others.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, if it was intentional, but America doesn't do that. Individuals have in the past, in Vietnam, but as a military force no. No matter how much technology is involved, mistakes are made, especially when you aren't getting up to date information.

Well you should look into why it happened,It was not just a mistake!

Should you bomb a building without up to date intell?

It is a direct war crime,no other way about it and it will be punished but as usual the people who

caused this are safe at home and pretending to be good (christian) people.

It also shows the total disregard for peoples lives over there.

Kill people who are living on the equivalent of 12 dollars a day with a multi million dollar missile.

I do not see any justice there,do you?

5 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Sorry dont want to meet any Yanks !! visited the States many times when i was in the navy found the yanks fat arrogant loudmouth people !!

Not all Yanks are arrogant loudmouth people but you definitely sound very special.

Just now, jvs said:

Well you should look into why it happened,It was not just a mistake!

Should you bomb a building without up to date intell?

It is a direct war crime,no other way about it and it will be punished but as usual the people who

caused this are safe at home and pretending to be good (christian) people.

It also shows the total disregard for peoples lives over there.

Kill people who are living on the equivalent of 12 dollars a day with a multi million dollar missile.

I do not see any justice there,do you?

They're trying to eliminate as many military targets as possible before they are used against not only the military, but innocents. With this comes the collateral damage, especially when a regime hides it's military withing civilian areas. If they didn't have intel, those leaders would still be alive, but any intel comes with taking a chance it's legitimate. In this case it has been many times, and in the school case, not the right building. Very sad this happened, and hopefully not again, but it's the chance you take when you're trying to eliminate as many military targets as possible as fast as possible.Not a war crime unless it's intentional, but still a disaster.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Instead of getting on America's case, why not target your anger against those who are terrorists, who are killing not only other country's citizens but the genocide of their own?

Again, America has saved the world many times, even if some think we keep losing wars, and if there was another valid way of eliminating terrorists and this type of regime, who set up close to civilian areas because they don't care about them, then it would be tried. Peace has to come at a cost if the other side doesn't fight fair, meaning soldier against soldier. If you were in the military, you should know how things are done, and they come with mistakes and bad decisions.

I am getting on Americas case because America IS WRONG as you are ! and its not thinking America loses wars its a fact !! and yes we as the whole world will always have terrorist now in the 50s their was a lot less they where antagonist, terrorism is a disputed term, and very few of those who are labeled terrorists describe themselves as such; it is common for opponents in a violent conflict to describe the opposing side as terrorists or as practicing terrorism.

you need to open your eyes

the U.S. is often framed as maintaining global dominance (hegemony) rather than selfless "saving," with critics pointing to: 

• Costly Interventions: Military actions like the Vietnam War, Iraq, and Afghanistan, which often resulted in long-term instability.

• Self-Interest: Interventions often protect strategic interests (oil, resources, preventing opposing ideologies) rather than solely providing humanitarian aid.

• Imperial Critique: The U.S. acts as a "global policeman" with a vast network of foreign military bases, sometimes causing anti-American sentiment.

• Impact of Interventions: Some interventions have led to long-term conflict and instability rather than rescue. 

Just now, MikeandDow said:

I am getting on Americas case because America IS WRONG as you are ! and its not thinking America loses wars its a fact !! and yes we as the whole world will always have terrorist now in the 50s their was a lot less they where antagonist, terrorism is a disputed term, and very few of those who are labeled terrorists describe themselves as such; it is common for opponents in a violent conflict to describe the opposing side as terrorists or as practicing terrorism.

you need to open your eyes

the U.S. is often framed as maintaining global dominance (hegemony) rather than selfless "saving," with critics pointing to: 

• Costly Interventions: Military actions like the Vietnam War, Iraq, and Afghanistan, which often resulted in long-term instability.

• Self-Interest: Interventions often protect strategic interests (oil, resources, preventing opposing ideologies) rather than solely providing humanitarian aid.

• Imperial Critique: The U.S. acts as a "global policeman" with a vast network of foreign military bases, sometimes causing anti-American sentiment.

• Impact of Interventions: Some interventions have led to long-term conflict and instability rather than rescue. 

Just now, MikeandDow said:

I am getting on Americas case because America IS WRONG as you are ! and its not thinking America loses wars its a fact !! and yes we as the whole world will always have terrorist now in the 50s their was a lot less they where antagonist, terrorism is a disputed term, and very few of those who are labeled terrorists describe themselves as such; it is common for opponents in a violent conflict to describe the opposing side as terrorists or as practicing terrorism.

you need to open your eyes

the U.S. is often framed as maintaining global dominance (hegemony) rather than selfless "saving," with critics pointing to: 

• Costly Interventions: Military actions like the Vietnam War, Iraq, and Afghanistan, which often resulted in long-term instability.

• Self-Interest: Interventions often protect strategic interests (oil, resources, preventing opposing ideologies) rather than solely providing humanitarian aid.

• Imperial Critique: The U.S. acts as a "global policeman" with a vast network of foreign military bases, sometimes causing anti-American sentiment.

• Impact of Interventions: Some interventions have led to long-term conflict and instability rather than rescue. 

It doesn't matter what people think about America losing wars as they always pulled out before all the objectives were finished. If it would have continued in all cases, it would have been a lot more lives lost on both sides, mostly the opposite side. Terrorism has a basic definition which I listed. People can change whatever they like, which doesn't make it right.

People who are crazy rarely admit they are, so thinking the terrorists will is ludicrous. They are intentionally targeting civilians, and not in a war situation most times. They are planning to kill innocents every day.

The US wanted to negotiate with them decades ago. Other presidents didn't act. This one, along with others, did.

What country are you from? Did they ever kill civilians?

In the long run, what America does will make things more peaceful. This has been their intentions all along, even if some involved have other motives.

25 minutes ago, jvs said:

No matter how much technology is involved, mistakes are made, especially when you aren't getting up to date information.

But, but, but...

Hegseth said just the day before the school was destroyed by a US missile, that the US had the best military intel in the world. Another whopper...from an Administration that tells nothing but lies daily!

21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It doesn't matter what people think about America losing wars as they always pulled out before all the objectives were finished. If it would have continued in all cases, it would have been a lot more lives lost on both sides, mostly the opposite side. Terrorism has a basic definition which I listed. People can change whatever they like, which doesn't make it right.

People who are crazy rarely admit they are, so thinking the terrorists will is ludicrous. They are intentionally targeting civilians, and not in a war situation most times. They are planning to kill innocents every day.

The US wanted to negotiate with them decades ago. Other presidents didn't act. This one, along with others, did.

What country are you from? Did they ever kill civilians?

In the long run, what America does will make things more peaceful. This has been their intentions all along, even if some involved have other motives.

where i am from is not relevant you yanks voted in a madman a war monger and in this day and age he is the terrorist by killing civilians

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

where i am from is not relevant you yanks voted in a madman a war monger and in this day and age he is the terrorist by killing civilians

I asked a question. if you're going to deride the US, I'd like to know what country you're from and see if it also makes mistakes. Trump is the president, but decisions are still made through Congress, especially if they're going to continue. He's not a war monger. he just decided to do something the previous few didn't.

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It's one reason. A lot think they know the reasons, but are just following other's opinions, which may or may not be the reality. It's surely a good excuse to get involved, saving millions from a destructive regime, along with others.

It is incumbent on the aggressors to provide the justification.

What they have provided as justification changes by the day.

An illegal war started with no clear objective and no idea of how it can be ended, let alone contained.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is incumbent on the aggressors to provide the justification.

What they have provided as justification changes by the day.

A war started with no clear objective and no idea of how it can be ended, let alone contained.

AI says it did,...The United States, alongside Israel, initiated military action against Iran in early 2026 to dismantle Iran's nuclear and military capabilities, claiming to eliminate "imminent threats" to American and allied interests in the region

. The strikes aim to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons and to destroy its missile capabilities. 

Key factors and justifications for the conflict include:

• Preventive Action and Security: The U.S. stated the strikes were necessary to stop Iran from attacking American personnel, assets, and allies.

• Nuclear and Military Targets: The campaign targeted Iran's nuclear infrastructure and military leadership, specifically intending to permanently end Iran's nuclear program.

• Regime Change Goal: President Trump indicated a desire to encourage an internal revolt and remove the current Iranian regime.

• Regional Instability: The conflict follows intense tensions over Iran’s regional activities, its backing of militias, and threats to maritime shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. .........................Contained takes time.

2 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

What an absolute load of drivel.

Iran is actually one of the most pro-American populations in the Middle East.

What an absolute load of drivel.

Iran is actually one of the most least pro-American populations in the Middle East.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

but decisions are still made through Congress, especially if they're going to continue.

It's fairly clear Trump has no respect for congress, and he makes decisions that he knows are a fait-accompli and it's then too late for congress to reverse them. E.g. how do you reverse the Iran war?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

AI says it did,...The United States, alongside Israel, initiated military action against Iran in early 2026 to dismantle Iran's nuclear and military capabilities, claiming to eliminate "imminent threats" to American and allied interests in the region

. The strikes aim to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons and to destroy its missile capabilities. 

Key factors and justifications for the conflict include:

• Preventive Action and Security: The U.S. stated the strikes were necessary to stop Iran from attacking American personnel, assets, and allies.

• Nuclear and Military Targets: The campaign targeted Iran's nuclear infrastructure and military leadership, specifically intending to permanently end Iran's nuclear program.

• Regime Change Goal: President Trump indicated a desire to encourage an internal revolt and remove the current Iranian regime.

• Regional Instability: The conflict follows intense tensions over Iran’s regional activities, its backing of militias, and threats to maritime shipping in the Strait of Hormuz. .........................Contained takes time.

You mention Regime Change. It's illegal to have that as an aim and justification for an attack.

AI says this

Under international law, attacking another country with the explicit goal of regime change is illegal unless authorized by the UN Security Council or justified under narrow self-defense provisions. The UN Charter prohibits the use of force to interfere in another state’s sovereignty, and regime change is not recognized as a lawful justification.